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post Jan 12, 2013, 09:15 AM
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It seems that the latest cosmological rage, any maybe it has been for some time, is to posit that the entire universe emerged from nothingness. Now, granted, I am not well versed in the technical mathematics of declarations such as these, but they nonetheless seem to contradict common sense.

How can anything emerge from or be produced by actual nothingness. True nothingness is nothing. Actually, you cannot even qualify it with the word is. To say that there was nothingness from which the universe emerged, necessarily depends on there being nothingness. Thus, it necessarily posits that there was a state of nothingness.

A state of nothingness. Already you should see that this is an irreconcilable, self-negating contradiction.

But this goes far beyond simple semantics.

The universe could never emerge from nothing because nothing doesn't even have the potential to produce.
As we all know, potential precedes actualization. Absolute nothingness has no potential because potential would be something. There is an unbridgeable gap between nothing and the universe.

Even though the concept of the universe emerging from nothing is a complete and total assault on reason, this was the inevitable conclusion because the scientist that is to be taken seriously by his/her peers cannot admit that there exists a mystery at the heart of the universe and existence itself.

Instead of saying that it is, as of now, a mystery how the big bang occurred, we have to say that it occurred from nothing. After all, by ascribing it to nothing we've at least ascribed it, and this in turn neatly wraps up the age-old mystery even though it is completely non-sensical. It is like the lazy cop who pins the crime on someone he knows is innocent, just to "solve" the case.

The ultimate irony is that these the have propagated this conclusion have still left us with a mystery. They have just subtly replaced one mystery with another, for they have not, and I dare say cannot, explain how nothing can produce something.

This all reminds of me of the spontaneous generation theory that rotting meat produces maggots devised centuries ago. This is our modern "spotaneous generation" theory, except that this one is even more ridiculous. With this theory, the universe was spontaneously generated not out of something else- another state of set of conditions perhaps- but out of nothing.

Since academia cannot explain how something (let alone the universe) can come from absolute nothingness, it must be taken on faith that it indeed does. Thus, it is a tantamount to a religious assertion, which is another overwhleming irony. Science is now enaged in the same game as religion.
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post Jan 12, 2013, 09:36 AM
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The origins of this idea are a bit more full, than the way you present it.

Science has discovered that there is something in the Nothing. Meaning that what they originally saw as nothing, was and still is, SOMETHING.

They just haven't been able to put that something into a box, for all those who need everything to fit so tidily into boxes.
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post Jan 12, 2013, 10:33 AM
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Absolute nothingness that is alive and conscious is still nothing. Absolute zero |0| that is alive.

But i believe that the universe came from 1 whole which penetrated the zero dimension :0: with power and energy enough to establish visible matter namely the earth first via a dark light stream of E=mc^2 dark light made up of dark energy and dark matter. Then God later made the sun and moon and then also all the stars which comprise the universe which makes up in its entirety -1 whole of visible matter in the void of space in space. One second of measured time and two seconds of dimension time encompass the same circumference with a 1 second diameter from 1 whole to -1 whole measured dimensionally thru the zero dimension in the void of space.

1.) 1 whole => :0: => -1 whole = 1 second rational pi (3P): measured time
This Time is controlled by the person of Dark Energy: The Firstborn Son of God. (circumscribed hexagon)

2.) 1 whole (-4) <= :0: => -1 whole (4) = 2 seconds irrational pi (pi symbol): dimensional time
This Time is controlled by the person of Dark Matter: The Original Serpent. (inscribed hexagon)

3.) -1 <= 0 => 1 = 3 seconds Pi of the Bible (pi = 3), Creative Pi and Transcendental Pi: parsec time
This Time is controlled by the person of power & energy, Dark Light: Father the Creator. (circle)

4.)infinity <= phi <= :0: <= -1/phi <= 0 <= |0| = 0 seconds hypothetical pi (-H- pi): All Time; All Pi
This Time is controlled by the person of The Perfect Zero. (concentric & circumscribed squares in motion or still). The Friction caused by the two squares in motion is the fifth fundamental force of the universe.

All first 3 times for the same circumference with All Time, a concentric square expanding to a circumscribed square, or vise-versa, about or within the circumference of times and inside or outside of averaged phi space. In all this makes 4 circumferences (the perimeter of the concentric square * P can become a circumference of -H- pi at 0 seconds action time) with a circumscribed square of time surrounding the invisible point consisting of the individual circles of pi, making up the simple line of time. All 4 circumferences have a measured diameter of 1 second of time despite expansion or contraction of the simple line in time. In other words our universe.

A qualified fifth circumference would be the rotated circumscribed square of the simple line in time causing friction with the other 4 circumferences mentioned already. In a unified way the 5 circumferences of time appear to be a single circle with a measured diameter of 1 second or a radius of 0.5 value making a perimeter and circumference of 3 seconds.

The square root of the 5 circumferences + 1 divided together by 2 equals exactly phi space. Although we live in the Room of Objectivity which starts off as x = 0.6 which is the productivity numeral 6 divided by 10 as the first decimal digit of the averaged inverse of phi leading to averaged phi space as the digits of exact phi are confirmed as actual imperfect space.

When one realizes that the arc subtending a side of a 6 sided inscribed hexagon which is longer than the radius of 0.5 and that the arc of that circle can be arrived at the same time thru both paths (the straight path and the curved path) at the same time, is to appreciate that pi = 3 is the Mastery of Time in a 3 dimensional x, y and z axis setting including the 0 second of -H- pi. The zero period of indecision before positive or negative action resulting from thinking that motivates the heart into legal action.

Therefore Time means much more than just measuring from point a (1 whole) to point b (-1 whole). Time may be alive as |0| which is complete nothingness and well co-ordinated since it is everywhere. Time transcends what is invisible or what is real. Time is nothing to laugh about!. Be Happy!.

What is outside the universe? Nothing, but maybe another universe off in the distance to explore.

Nothingness is |0|. Faith without works is dead. Time is alive!.

P.j.S .
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post Jan 12, 2013, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 12, 2013, 09:36 AM) *

The origins of this idea are a bit more full, than the way you present it.


Sorry I didn't present the fullness of the idea. I was just summarizing it from my perspective.

QUOTE(Joesus @ Jan 12, 2013, 09:36 AM) *
Science has discovered that there is something in the Nothing.


If there is something in the nothing, than the not-so-aptly termed "nothing" is not, in actuality, nothing. Therefore, we are just choosing to call it by that name. In this case, the term "nothing" used to designate a pre-big bang state has no relation to its actual consensus-based meaning.

Thus, we are just engaging in word/meaning juxtapositions. These are just silly word games that profit no one.

I think I may start referring to bicycles as "woodchucks" and may start calling things that are hot as "cold" and vice-versa.

This all begs the question, why is it still be referred to as nothing? We seem to have come up close and personal with a philosophical bias that is revealing itself, very indiscreetly I may add, in the very choice of the terminology.

Interesting...
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post Jan 12, 2013, 12:09 PM
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In order to add some sense to this conundrum I have concluded that since something exists now, it must have always existed (maybe in a different form in a different place).

It may be matter or energy or some combination, which interacts with other such 'things' which exist elsewhere. It may occupy extremely large or extremely small spaces from time to time, dictated by laws of which we are ignorant.

Only by removing our existing assumed limits to space and universes, and accepting a much bigger scenario of operation is it possible to have some concept of what is going on out there!
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post Jan 12, 2013, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(Metabrain @ Jan 12, 2013, 09:15 PM) *

Already you should see that this is an irreconcilable, self-negating contradiction.


That means that we should re-analyse our understanding of Time as a concept.

Besides that if we adjust to the Holographic Universe concept then we have to, FOR EXAMPLE smile.gif , consider reality in its temporal extension as a vibrating gigantic picture where past, present and future are depicted and constantly are transforming due to vibrational waves that propagate along 'surfaces' of that gigantic picture. Certainly something should support stability and amplitudes of that vibrating picture (E.g. Higgs particle gives mass to that holographic reality). Gnostics believe that that is some sort of spark that ignited that picture and keeps it in flame, some other gentlemen keep to idea that the picture is supported by the Holy Tree Eywa (Ey[h]wa) that is in fact the Tree of the Name of the Lord that sustains the entire system from inside within human brains (being grown in those brains for centuries: cobwebbed and embedded in ciphered way in various important words and images, I mean the Name), where humans, in fact are important elements, tools that construct and sustain that picture by converting vibrational modes from one range to another during conventional alchemical work - their lifetime.
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post Jan 12, 2013, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(rhymer @ Jan 13, 2013, 12:09 AM) *

conundrum


What a cute word.
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post Jan 23, 2013, 02:59 PM
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A Universe from Nothing? Yes.

Allowing for the Subtraction Law by PJS that an - bn - cn = 0.

"an" or 1 whole divided by zero causes the number 1 to be razed to 0 in the end but yet alive, or completely nothing as it were.

Then from completely nothing cn penetrating energy "1/10^n" or power & energy of thought is reversed or generated from the imagination of the consciousness of God using the nothingness of pure mathematics and the will power of God.

0 then is started to be razed to life as 1 again or the source of dark light to dark energy and dark matter in the action of the void.

0 + cn + dark energy + dark matter = 1 or 0 + 1/10^n + (0.111... + 0.888... respectively) =
0 + 1/10^n + 0.999... = 1.0 razed.

1.0 is now the entity consisting of 4 individual factors, 1) dark light 2) dark energy 3) dark matter 4) the void.

From these 4 entities come all other forms of existence in the reality of ever lasting life within a new heavens and a new earth. These are all mathematically contained in the room of objectivity in averaged phi space but not necessarily limited to this way of living in the moment of time forever.

Without the stress generated from fear and superstition there is Time Indefinite to live in.

.| P.j.S |. Fee Bees International Resource Center... + 47% = 100%.!..8=40...=15

Amen^!:^::.8:!...!.=6 .+.^7^8...
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