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[dattaswami]

When the light rays fall on the object and get reflected, the image of the object falls on the retina of the eye and this image is transferred to the brain. The brain receives the image of the object. The process of receiving the image of the object by the brain is said to be awareness of the object. All the materials like rays of light, object, image of object, materials transferring the image like neurons, materials composing the brain, etc. are either inert matter or inert energy only. The process of transfer of the image to the brain is also inert work. Therefore, awareness is not different from the meaning of the word inert. Inert means that which is controlled by a controller. In the above explained system, the controller other than the above mentioned inert materials and inert work is not separately seen. If any of the above materials is absent, the work cannot take place.

Therefore, the materials control the work. The work or awareness is controlled by the presence of correct materials. Hence, you cannot say that the work or awareness is the independent controller. Each material independently cannot be a controller. The combination of these materials alone generates the work. But, the phenomenon of combination does not exist separately apart from the materials. Even the process of thinking of the brain is a play of different combinations of the impressions received through the senses from the world. Hence, a shrewd analysis also cannot capture the existence of controller in this system.

Science only speaks about ‘how the earth rotates’ and cannot speak about ‘why the earth rotates’. Due to inevitable necessity of a controller in this system, you have to accept the existence of the unimaginable controller. If the controller is like the human being made of imaginable inert materials and energies, again, the same problem is repeated. The controller should be beyond the above inert materials and inert work. Hence, the controller should be totally unimaginable. The will of such a controller should not be like the will of a human being, which is the inert work only controlled by inert materials. The will of God may resemble the will of the human being. But, the generation of that will in the absence of above inert materials is unimaginable. Since the process of generation is unimaginable, naturally, the generator is also unimaginable. Since the process of generation and the generator are unimaginable, such a will can have total independence. Qualitatively, the will of God and the will of human being may be similar. But, potentially, they differ from each other. The difference is lot and the similarity is very little. The nature of work may be same, but the potency differs.

Krishna lifted a mountain. You may lift a small stone. The process of lifting is same. But, there is lot of potential difference. Hence, you cannot compare the will of a human being, which is controlled by inert materials, to the will of God, which is totally independent with unlimited potency. Krishna is like an ordinary human being only. But, the potency is unimaginable since, He showed the entire infinite cosmic energy in Him through the vision of ‘Vishwa Roopa’. By external qualitative similarity, you cannot say that Krishna is an ordinary human being or every ordinary human being is Krishna. Similarly, due to external similarity of nature of work, you cannot say the awareness of God and awareness of a human being are one and the same. You are considering only one similar point forgetting the rest ninety-nine different points. The imaginable awareness can never be unimaginable God.

[Joesus]

Veda say's..... The spiritual top 40 on Gods greatest hits list.

Can you hear someone play a record play over and over and over again and tell if they are connected to the rest of the world? Or does he play it only for himself?

[dattaswami]

Veda say's..... The spiritual top 40 on Gods greatest hits list.

Can you hear someone play a record play over and over and over again and tell if they are connected to the rest of the world? Or does he play it only for himself?

Apart from the experience and logic, one should also take Scriptures as the final approving authority. Otherwise, even false preachers show perfect logic and experience in their interpretation. Therefore one needs the final sanction from the Scripture, which is called as Sruti and Smruti. Sruti is the Veda, which is preserved by recitation from one generation to the other. Not a single word is deleted or added to Veda because the recitation will not allow such pollution. Please do not mistake Me as a fan of Hinduism because I have to tell the truth and merit whatever may be the religion. The only scripture in this world, which is without pollution, is Veda. No other scripture in this world was preserved as Veda by such continuous process of recitation.

If you have the original manuscript, there is no proof of the absence of pollution. Is there hand written manuscript or oral dictation in recorded form of Jesus or Mohammed or Buddha? Even if you say that the hand scripts of disciples of Jesus exist, rationalists will question about the guarantee of the original oral or written version of Jesus. They will ask for the sincerity of the disciples in recording the version of Jesus. Even Gita is not an exception to this powerful analysis. Swami Dayananda says that Sankara has written Gita and introduced into Mahabharata. I am not supporting Dayananda. But at the same time I cannot oppose him also. Can I show the tape recorder in which the Gita was recorded directly from Krishna? Then there is an equal probability for both the possibilities. Therefore Gita comes under the second category called as Smruti.

Smruti is valid when it is found in Sruti or Veda. This is the reason why Sankara or Ramanuja or Madhva quotes first the Sruti and then only Gita as Smruti, which can be only supporting evidence. Unless the meaning of any verse of Gita is found in Sruti or Veda, it is not valid. Atleast the verse of Gita should not contradict the concept presented in Veda. Thus Gita, Bible, Q’ran and the statements of Buddha etc are analysed in the light of Veda. If any concept is contradicting Veda and if the correlation is not possible, such concept is to be rejected.

Fortunately all the scriptures of the second category (Smruti) could be correlated with Veda and therefore the same God who spoke Veda in the beginning of the creation subsequently came down and preached all the scriptures. You need not worry that I have brought your religious scriptures under the second category because there is no single instance where your scripture contradicted Veda, if your scripture is represented in the light of correct interpretation. You should feel worried if I show a single instance where your scripture is rejected due to contradiction with Veda. Since such possibility never arose, you need not worry because your scripture becomes equal to Veda since it has never contradicted Veda in the light of correct interpretation.

If somebody brings a statement like that the anti-Christ will try to bring the world peace by uniting all the religions, such statement cannot be accepted as the statement of God. It is only pollution. God is the very essence of the peace. Jesus is the very embodiment of peace. I am not finding such things only with Christianity. I can quote such things even in Hinduism, if you mistake Me as a fan of Hinduism internally. The scholars of Visishtadvaita branch of Hindu religion found by Ramanuja quoted some verses from a book written by Vyasa. These verses say that Sankara was an incarnation of a demon. It is very clear that these verses were composed by those scholars and were introduced into the book. Hinduism stands as a mini model for the whole world

Whatever you find in the world in the macro-scale can be found in Hinduism in the micro-scale. The hand written scripts were always subjected to intrusions and extrusions in course of long duration of time. But Veda did never exist in the form of written script, even before the technology of writing on Palm Leaves was discovered. Veda existed in the process of the recitation only. During the process of recitation a very large number of scholars were involved who belonged to old, middle and new generations.

Pollution at any level was impossible. Thus the authority lies in 1) Sruti (Veda); 2) Smruti (Gita, Bible, Q’ran, statements of Buddha etc.) which must coincide with Sruti or atleast not contradict Sruti; 3) Yukti, the logical analysis with discrimination power to differentiate truth and falsehood and 4) Vidvadanubhava, which is the experience of scholars who are the realised souls. I once again request all the other religions with folded hands and many many salutations, that one should not mistake me as a fan of Hinduism because I was born as a Hindu, especially by giving the first position to Sruti or Veda, which is a Hindu scripture.

I am not a blind fan of any religion including Hinduism. Did I not praise the Christians and Muslims in the concept of re-birth and condemned the Hindus severely? Hindus became lazy and neglected the spiritual effort thinking that there are several human re-births. I condemned this concept and showed the Hindu scripture itself, which states that the human birth is very rare. Thus Hindus have misunderstood their own religious scripture, whereas Christians and Muslims have clearly understood their own religious scriptures. If there is a merit in Hinduism, I shall not feel shy to expose it, doubting that other religions may misunderstand Me as a fan of my own religion. Similarly I shall not feel afraid to criticize my own Hindus if there is de-merit in Hinduism and I shall not feel unhappy to praise other religions if they have a merit.

[Joesus]

Veda say's..... The spiritual top 40 on Gods greatest hits list.

Can you hear someone play a record play over and over and over again and tell if they are connected to the rest of the world? Or does he play it only for himself?

Apart from the experience and logic, one should also take Scriptures as the final approving authority. Otherwise, even false preachers show perfect logic and experience in their interpretation.

Within this statement is the reality of interpretation. One cannot by themselves take the interpretation of an authority and act upon their own interpretation as being the same voice as that which has been interpreted. Therefore the obvious, would be that Scripture itself cannot act upon, commit or change, the life of anyone who does not know the absolute and cannot meet the absolute as the source of scripture.
Consciousness must meet consciousness as both the student and the Guide.

One who limits themselves by the definition of words, surrenders their absolute self to the resolute ideas of a signpost which only points in a direction (and an unknown one at that). To what you define as, "Unimaginable".

Therefore one needs the final sanction from the Scripture, which is called as Sruti and Smruti. Sruti is the Veda, which is preserved by recitation from one generation to the other. Not a single word is deleted or added to Veda because the recitation will not allow such pollution.

History shows us that understanding Veda thru self interpretation does not have very glorious results. We can use the example of India's culture. Where it was once rich with people living in Spiritual wisdom, there are now millions who live in poverty, and the cow has been raised to the status of God. Whether an argument ensues as to whether words have been added or deleted or not,... the painfully obvious reality would be that India suffers in its inability to decipher the language of Veda, because its mind does not sit at the level in which the Veda was cognized in the first place.

If a surgeon writes a book about surgery, it will resonate with the experience of another surgeon when another surgeon reads the book. If someone who knows of surgery but has never been a surgeon reads the book, the lack of experience with surgery will leave only the intellect to assume it must give the authority to the book.
Hence if the inexperienced were to give self referral to the authority of the surgeons book and begin to perform surgery without any experience the results would not be so glorious.

This is often the case when an aspirant surrenders him or her self to the authority of any written word without the direct experience. The interpretation of the word does not often lead to glorious results.

Please do not mistake Me as a fan of Hinduism because I have to tell the truth and merit whatever may be the religion. The only scripture in this world, which is without pollution, is Veda. No other scripture in this world was preserved as Veda by such continuous process of recitation.

There is no scripture ever written that cannot be polluted thru the projections and beliefs of the ego. Continuous recitation by any ignorant man does not create enlightenment by erasing his thoughts of ignorance.

Only the purity of maintaining a lineage of enlightened instruction, where the master instructs the student and the student becomes the master, does one guarantee the purity of any Teaching. To assume any other possibility is naive.
Once Shankara, Jesus or Buddha were visibly vacant from the relative perspectives of this planets idea of living in form, the source with all of its wisdom and guidance to the word, was lost to the interpretation of those who if not becoming Shankara, Jesus or Buddha imagined from some lesser state of experience and being.

The results of this fact is obvious.

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Righteousness of faith and purpose often requires blind obedience to ones own path and actions. Everyone surrenders themselves to that which one believes is reality and truth or the greater authority to their present experience. This is because we all know our experience changes and gives way to greater experience. So to prepare ones self to evolve one finds a direction that involves serving the greater in order to serve ones self.

The point of surrender and its recognition is often driven by a need.
The need to substantiate the personal ideal to help free ones self from the idea of judgment. This idea of judgment runs both self worth and purpose of life.
Surrender to individual need rather than the supreme being leads to different results and different actions.
If we use the idea that Veda is the ultimate authority (God) one could assume that veda in and of itself will speak for itself and deliver its own message.
But in this case veda is not an authority of voice without a messenger. So the messenger finds righteousness by being in service to the given authority. This allows the intellect to assume the relationship of being aligned with Truth/God. Sort of like a ship being without a rudder cannot sail and so it must find its rudder and its captain.

Religionists often act like a ship sailing thru a storm. The idea is to keep sailing and weathering all storms, when instead it could be anchored in a calm warm lagoon. Sacrifice is seen as service to the needs of God. This in and of itself is contradictory, for if God exists as the Supreme God, then God in and of itself should be whole, complete, full, and without needs.
This does not presuppose a nature to God just a lack of limitation.

Religions are created by presupposing God and Gods needs and service to those needs to gain favor. The promise of reward for faithful service and dedication often turns a blind eye to reality and the perfection of God in all things.

The faithful messenger must act in service to gain reward. And in this case the messenger must act on behalf of the authority which cannot, in and of its self, reveal its Self.

[dattaswami]

Religions are created by presupposing God and Gods needs and service to those needs to gain favor. The promise of reward for faithful service and dedication often turns a blind eye to reality and the perfection of God in all things.

God is not in need of love from others because He is always contented (Aptakamasya….Veda). The king goes to the forest for hunting not for killing an animal and to eat it like a hunter (Lokavattu…..Brahma Sutra). It is a game of entertainment with His own imagination (creation). You cannot take the example of king also here in complete sense because the king, forest, animal, hunting etc., are equally real. The love is the best and most sacred type of entertainment.