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In reference to the Instant Singularity thread that has been closed:

This is the final paragraph that could give that thread at least some validity...

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Back on topic. We are still living within the "era" of science, within an era where a kind of faith ( religious ? ) in our ability to find ( and/or invent ? ) patterns and control reality by understanding and manipulating those patterns is operating. But my take on it is that this is not really true, reality, the universe has no patterns.

The laws of physics work well and we use them, but in the end they are only valid within the limited range of an item of matter, a delimitation of matter - energy organized in that very quirky, one time, extremely specific combination of elements under the form of the human, his mind - body - sense organs - and capability of interaction with reality thorough his muscles.

Change that item of matter, that particular interaction of one piece of matter with another piece of matter, and the laws of physics no longer really exist.

So if I let a virtual mind live in a man-made virtual reality in a computer with an arbitrary set of laws, and that mind lives there and experiences reality just as deeply as us, even more deeply (who knows how deep ? ), and is never aware that it is all fake, wouldn't that mind (or set of minds so as to create a society - city, etc. like humans) believe in fixed patterns, in laws of physics, in a form of faith in reality in its essence of being somehow absolute ? But it isn't, it is made up, and so is ours, and in fact any reality, no matter how many levels of virtual realities, and dreams within dreams are present, is essentially made up, a hoax, a lie.

We try to find patterns to everything, but this program is destined to fail because there are no ultimate causes to events, there are no reasons for things occurring, there are general patterns, but as soon as an event depends on another person's free will, all bets are off. And just like free will kills all possible determinism, so does quantum fluctuations, random occurrences, etc. Just like sudden death kills a person, or a sudden accident changes everything in a person's life.

The truth is, in the end, even the grand program of science is destined to fail, just like religion: just look at how funny all of the economists and sociologists look after 200 years of trying to understand or predict the economy or people's behavior.

History is the real laws of physics, pure random quirks based on nothing at all, not atoms, or electrons or quantum mechanics.


So change the neural circuits of brains and minds, wildly and insanely, it is all just as true as any truth can possibly be, all lies are true, the bigger the lie - invention the truer it is. All contradictions are welcome, in fact only contradictions are welcome. It is forbidden to apply any logic at all.
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Hey Hey   Why the Singularity isn't going to happen   Oct 16, 2010, 04:52 AM
Kaloa   Exerpts from the above article: "If history,...   Oct 16, 2010, 10:32 AM
Kaloa   Why...?...:)   Oct 16, 2010, 11:08 AM
Kaloa   I may have been out of my element there. I appolog...   Oct 18, 2010, 08:37 PM
Kaloa   Keeping my eyes on heaven anyways...:)   Oct 19, 2010, 04:33 PM
Rick   Avoid wishful thinking. It's a distraction fro...   Oct 20, 2010, 07:18 AM
Kaloa   Avoid wishful thinking. It's a distraction fr...   Oct 20, 2010, 02:53 PM
Jakare   Maybe the Singularity is not meant to happen natur...   Oct 21, 2010, 07:55 PM
lucid_dream   Maybe the Singularity is not meant to happen natu...   Oct 22, 2010, 02:14 AM
Kaloa   humans are a part of nature and obey nature's...   Oct 22, 2010, 08:57 AM
Jakare   Maybe the Singularity is not meant to happen nat...   Oct 22, 2010, 04:08 PM
Rick   Then the term "unnatural" has no use.   Oct 22, 2010, 11:41 AM
Hey Hey   Then the term "unnatural" has no use. E...   Oct 22, 2010, 01:26 PM
lucid_dream   escaping our current limitations does not imply es...   Oct 22, 2010, 04:51 PM
Hey Hey   escaping our current limitations does not imply e...   Oct 22, 2010, 07:56 PM
Kaloa   l_d don't you think that some of description ...   Oct 26, 2010, 09:23 AM
GodConsciousness   While I believe that the Universe is ultimately On...   Oct 23, 2010, 05:28 AM
Hey Hey   While I believe that the Universe is ultimately O...   Oct 23, 2010, 08:28 AM
GodConsciousness   It will depend largely on how humans want to evolv...   Oct 23, 2010, 02:21 PM
Rick   Certainly genetic engineering (direct manipulation...   Oct 25, 2010, 03:10 PM
code buttons   Certainly genetic engineering (direct manipulatio...   Oct 26, 2010, 12:37 PM
Rick   Lower gravity should result in taller people, mayb...   Oct 26, 2010, 01:21 PM
Flex   Transfatty-Earthlings will never run 30 MPH regard...   Oct 26, 2010, 02:51 PM
code buttons   Every level of existence has its own form of cons...   Oct 26, 2010, 05:48 PM
Kaloa   I have a feeling that when we die, we return to t...   Oct 27, 2010, 09:16 PM
Flex   I guess what I am trying to say is that life and d...   Oct 27, 2010, 09:52 PM
old6598   I guess what I am trying to say is that life and ...   Oct 28, 2010, 05:17 AM
Kaloa   I find it amusing how you tend to get to my same ...   Oct 28, 2010, 09:02 AM
code buttons   If I may offer some advice on helping people ...   Oct 28, 2010, 09:40 AM
Kaloa   If I may offer some advice on helping people ...   Oct 28, 2010, 10:02 AM
Kaloa   I guess what I am trying to say is that life and ...   Oct 28, 2010, 09:32 AM
code buttons   I admit to not understanding fully, such as your...   Oct 29, 2010, 11:12 AM
Kaloa   I admit to not understanding fully, such as you...   Oct 30, 2010, 06:37 AM
Flex   Find your self a chem lab and breath in way too ma...   Oct 28, 2010, 05:22 PM
Flex   Oh and furthermore, I had a thought today about th...   Oct 28, 2010, 05:41 PM
Kaloa   Oh and furthermore, I had a thought today about t...   Oct 29, 2010, 08:38 AM
Flex   Very similar to the paradox; however, the branchin...   Oct 29, 2010, 01:02 PM
Kaloa   In my opinion, all of quantum mechanics is simply...   Oct 30, 2010, 06:28 AM
Kaloa   Kaloa: Indeed. There is nothing wrong with passin...   Oct 30, 2010, 06:37 AM
Flex   Kaloa: Indeed. There is nothing wrong with passi...   Oct 30, 2010, 09:36 AM
Kaloa   [quote name='Kaloa' post='112113' date='Oct 30, 2...   Oct 30, 2010, 08:39 PM
Kaloa   I see. Somewhat... So then, this is to do with the...   Oct 30, 2010, 06:21 AM
Trip like I do   you asked a lot of questions   Oct 30, 2010, 08:55 PM
Kaloa   you asked a lot of questions Quite! I'm ...   Oct 31, 2010, 06:23 PM
Trip like I do   you asked a lot of questions Quite! I'm...   Nov 04, 2010, 06:15 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Kaloa' post='112130' date='Oct 31, 2...   Nov 04, 2010, 08:47 PM
Trip like I do   [quote name='Kaloa' post='112130' date='Oct 31, ...   Nov 05, 2010, 05:12 PM
Kaloa   to be honest.... I would believe that dense peopl...   Nov 04, 2010, 08:53 PM
Flex   The right questions lead to the right answers. U...   Nov 01, 2010, 08:53 AM
Trip like I do   The right questions lead to the right answers. ...   Nov 01, 2010, 04:19 PM
Kaloa   The right questions lead to the right answers. ...   Nov 02, 2010, 08:14 AM
Trip like I do   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112144' date='...   Nov 02, 2010, 03:03 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112144' date=...   Nov 04, 2010, 01:07 PM
Trip like I do   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112144' date='...   Nov 03, 2010, 06:00 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112144' date=...   Nov 04, 2010, 01:12 PM
Kaloa   I'll make a personal effort to ask better ques...   Nov 04, 2010, 01:30 PM
Trip like I do   .... I'll make a personal effort to ask bette...   Nov 04, 2010, 05:19 PM
Kaloa   .... I'll make a personal effort to ask bett...   Nov 04, 2010, 08:46 PM
Kaloa   those with the answers seldom ask the questions ...   Nov 04, 2010, 08:51 PM
Trip like I do   those with the answers seldom ask the questions ...   Nov 05, 2010, 05:25 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Kaloa' post='112198' date='Nov 05, 2...   Nov 05, 2010, 09:03 PM
Kaloa   trust me honey.... there is nothing weak about me...   Nov 04, 2010, 02:49 PM
Flex   Damn Trip, your new "Supreme God" name s...   Nov 03, 2010, 01:09 PM
Trip like I do   Damn Trip, your new "Supreme God" name ...   Nov 03, 2010, 05:58 PM
Jakare   It´s so easy to blame the others...Will you avoid ...   Nov 03, 2010, 08:51 PM
Flex   Hey, I never said the dark side was a bad thing. I...   Nov 03, 2010, 08:45 PM
Kaloa   Singularity...?   Nov 04, 2010, 09:00 PM
Trip like I do   Singularity...? maybe.... !   Nov 05, 2010, 05:20 PM
Kaloa   I now see that was only 9, and you requested 10......   Nov 05, 2010, 03:51 AM
Trip like I do   I now see that was only 9, and you requested 10.....   Nov 05, 2010, 05:24 PM
Trip like I do   much better.... but still too many questions, ques...   Nov 05, 2010, 08:27 AM
Kaloa   much better.... but still too many questions, que...   Nov 05, 2010, 03:47 PM
Trip like I do   much better.... but still too many questions, qu...   Nov 05, 2010, 05:10 PM
Hey Hey   LMAO!   Nov 05, 2010, 04:17 PM
Trip like I do   http://www.globalbeauties.com/usa/2009/blog/wp-con...   Nov 05, 2010, 05:59 PM
Trip like I do   http://www.globalbeauties.com/usa/2009/blog/wp-co...   Nov 05, 2010, 06:57 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112233' date='...   Nov 05, 2010, 09:04 PM
Trip like I do   Welcome to Fun Facts About the 50 States. This we...   Nov 05, 2010, 06:17 PM
Hey Hey   Welcome to Fun Facts About the 50 States.Stick to...   Nov 05, 2010, 06:32 PM
Trip like I do   Welcome to Fun Facts About the 50 States.Stick t...   Nov 05, 2010, 06:35 PM
Trip like I do   Welcome to Fun Facts About the 50 States.Stick t...   Nov 05, 2010, 06:56 PM
Kaloa   Welcome to Fun Facts About the 50 States.Stick t...   Nov 05, 2010, 09:10 PM
Kaloa   Within the scopes of this topic; I think that it ...   Nov 07, 2010, 07:18 AM
Kaloa   Oh man!   Nov 05, 2010, 08:44 PM
Flex   Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the thr...   Nov 06, 2010, 07:10 PM
Kaloa   Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the th...   Nov 07, 2010, 07:20 AM
Trip like I do   Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the th...   Nov 07, 2010, 10:31 AM
Trip like I do   I'd honestly be interested in hearing you all ...   Nov 07, 2010, 08:51 AM
Kaloa   Disolving the distorted boundaries between mind an...   Nov 07, 2010, 03:05 PM
Trip like I do   [color=#FF0000]distorted boundaries between mind ...   Nov 07, 2010, 07:05 PM
Kaloa   [quote name='Kaloa' post='112287' date='Nov 07, 2...   Nov 08, 2010, 02:49 AM
Trip like I do   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112292' date='...   Nov 08, 2010, 03:26 PM
Flex   Ego-death. Simple as that :)   Nov 07, 2010, 07:21 PM
Trip like I do   Ego-death. Simple as that :) a collective ego de...   Nov 07, 2010, 07:23 PM
Phi   Ego-death. Simple as that :) a collective ego d...   Nov 10, 2010, 01:37 AM
Trip like I do   [quote name='Trip like I do' post='112295' date='...   Nov 12, 2010, 03:07 PM
Flex   Maybe, but that is a lot to hope for right away. I...   Nov 07, 2010, 07:31 PM
Trip like I do   Maybe, but that is a lot to hope for right away. ...   Nov 08, 2010, 03:29 PM
old6598   In reference to the Instant Singularity thread tha...   Nov 09, 2010, 01:38 AM
Kaloa   All contradictions are welcome, in fact only cont...   Nov 09, 2010, 04:50 PM
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