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post Oct 04, 2010, 11:07 AM
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Alright, well I ordered bulk Pyritinol from CH and got it in today.
I was excited to try it out so I measured out 400mg and downed it.

Now, I found something stating that pyritinol is supposed to taste nasty and be water soluble.
Surprisingly, the bulk powder I got fit neither of these criteria. It was tasteless, and highly hydrophobic.

My first thought was, OH SHIT what if it's huperzine a!? I called them and they assured me it wouldn't be. But they couldn't confirm for me that it was pyritinol. All he could say was that "it is what it is...we just got this new shipment in...it is what it is..."

Long story short I just want to know if cerebral health sells anything that is a hydrophobic, tasteless, off-white powder that could harm me in the dosage of 400mg?

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post Oct 07, 2010, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(Flex @ Oct 08, 2010, 02:21 AM) *
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I received another confirmation from manufacturing that what you received was pure pyritinol, but I am still holding off on putting pyritinol back up on the CH website until further analysis is complete.
I can run an IR and check melting point and such and upload the spectrum on here if you like. All I need is a few mg and we can figure out exactly what we have smile.gif
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What about your credentials? (This is the internet after all! wacko.gif )
I'm a little unclear on what 'credentials' are necessary to tell if pyritinol dissolves in water or oil, or to suggest that different gross solubilities call its identity into question. I assume GC would say if he thought kagos was in error regarding these simple assertions.
Do you know kagos personally? Credentials relate to things such as purity of water used, temperature/pressure at which solubility is determined, qualification/experience of experimenter, authentication of product, etc. We don't know who most people here are. We could all be loonies trying to discredit GC and his company. GC needs a sample of the product and packaging codes etc from kagos so that he can determine if it is authentic. Then he needs to look at the supply chain to verify that the product is what it should be. Also GC should be looking at P stocks at his company storage facility to determine that they are actually P. THis whole set of information - kagos's product/package, GC's supply chain info, GC's present stocks of P - should help to work out what has gone wrong if anything.

GC, have there been any other customer comments about the product?
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post Oct 07, 2010, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Oct 08, 2010, 12:54 AM) *
Do you know kagos personally? Credentials relate to things such as purity of water used, temperature/pressure at which solubility is determined, qualification/experience of experimenter, authentication of product, etc. We don't know who most people here are. We could all be loonies trying to discredit GC and his company. GC needs a sample of the product and packaging codes etc from kagos so that he can determine if it is authentic. Then he needs to look at the supply chain to verify that the product is what it should be. Also GC should be looking at P stocks at his company storage facility to determine that they are actually P. THis whole set of information - kagos's product/package, GC's supply chain info, GC's present stocks of P - should help to work out what has gone wrong if anything.

Kagos told us how he conducted the experiment, and that he returned the product. Pointing out that we really don't know anything about him doesn't serve any useful purpose at this point, and places him in the position of having to somehow prove that he conducted a simple experiment perfectly, and personally has no reason to want to discredit a company—both impossible proofs, honestly, even if we did know him personally.

Rather, my point was that GC is more than capable of determining what the cause of this may be, without us speculating about ulterior motives without any current reason to do so, and placing another user in a defensive position just to point out a basic property of internet communication.

Pyritinol is a nootropic that many people find very neutral-feeling, so a (putative) problem like this might not be apparent unless someone thought to check the taste or solubility against other reports.

I'd be curious to see some actual solubility data for this compound. I'll look around if I can get to a library this weekend.
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kagaos   Identify Mystery Powder   Oct 04, 2010, 11:07 AM
kagaos   Well I didn't die, so I guess what ever it was...   Oct 04, 2010, 12:26 PM
Phi   the ch gods answer those who are patient   Oct 04, 2010, 02:52 PM
kagaos   Nothing against CH, as I have little experience wi...   Oct 04, 2010, 07:12 PM
Phi   disclaimer - I'm a phil that thinks ch will re...   Oct 05, 2010, 02:24 AM
GodConsciousness   No hard feelings whatsoever. We pride ourselves o...   Oct 05, 2010, 04:16 AM
Hey Hey   If at any time there is any doubt on product purit...   Oct 05, 2010, 09:45 AM
kagaos   Haha sorry Phi...I got confused. Thanks for cleari...   Oct 05, 2010, 05:03 AM
GodConsciousness   Haha sorry Phi...I got confused. Thanks for clear...   Oct 05, 2010, 05:48 AM
kagaos   I greatly appreciate the feedback and in no way ...   Oct 05, 2010, 07:29 AM
Phi   ouch   Oct 05, 2010, 10:40 AM
chrono   Hope it works out all right. A few thoughts: Are ...   Oct 05, 2010, 01:58 PM
Flex   Just looking at the structure, I would estimate th...   Oct 05, 2010, 02:22 PM
Hey Hey   Just looking at the structure, I would estimate th...   Oct 05, 2010, 02:27 PM
Flex   There are 6 hydrogen bond receptors, and 4 H bond ...   Oct 05, 2010, 05:03 PM
Hey Hey   There are 6 hydrogen bond receptors, and 4 H bond...   Oct 05, 2010, 05:48 PM
kagaos   There are 6 hydrogen bond receptors, and 4 H bon...   Oct 06, 2010, 05:36 AM
chrono   So the question is no longer, "Is this compou...   Oct 06, 2010, 08:55 AM
Flex   My only guess would be some kind of acid catalyzed...   Oct 06, 2010, 07:56 AM
kagaos   My only guess would be some kind of acid catalyze...   Oct 06, 2010, 08:22 AM
Flex   Well this is basically what you would really have ...   Oct 06, 2010, 08:38 AM
kagaos   Well this is basically what you would really have...   Oct 06, 2010, 09:31 AM
Flex   My bad. I thought those were benzene rings. It sho...   Oct 06, 2010, 04:23 PM
Hey Hey   This is how I think P ought be taken: http://www....   Oct 06, 2010, 06:08 PM
kagaos   This is how I think P ought be taken: http://www...   Oct 06, 2010, 07:33 PM
GodConsciousness   I received another confirmation from manufacturing...   Oct 07, 2010, 07:39 AM
kagaos   I received another confirmation from manufacturin...   Oct 07, 2010, 12:30 PM
Hey Hey   I received another confirmation from manufacturi...   Oct 07, 2010, 04:11 PM
chrono   What about your credentials? (This is the internet...   Oct 07, 2010, 05:39 PM
Flex   I received another confirmation from manufacturin...   Oct 07, 2010, 05:21 PM
Hey Hey   I received another confirmation from manufacturing...   Oct 07, 2010, 08:54 PM
chrono   Do you know kagos personally? Credentials relate t...   Oct 07, 2010, 09:47 PM
GodConsciousness   While I don't know kagos personally, I don...   Oct 07, 2010, 10:40 PM
Flex   log S0 = 0.52 –1.00R2+0.77πH+2.17∑...   Oct 11, 2010, 01:30 PM
kagaos   While I don't know kagos personally, I don...   Oct 12, 2010, 06:13 PM
GodConsciousness   Got the COA and everything seems to be looking fin...   Oct 12, 2010, 11:33 PM
kagaos   Got the COA and everything seems to be looking fi...   Oct 14, 2010, 09:36 AM
Flex   I decided to run IRs on some of the stuff I had ly...   Oct 14, 2010, 10:36 AM
Kleuze   Well that's strange. I have the same situatio...   Feb 22, 2012, 06:55 AM
Flex   If you want to try to characterize it, I could tak...   Feb 22, 2012, 07:48 AM
Kleuze   You mean you want to try the batch that I received...   Feb 22, 2012, 07:52 AM
Flex   I am down to try what I can if you like. I would o...   Feb 22, 2012, 10:44 AM
Kleuze   Well it would be great if you could and want to do...   Feb 22, 2012, 01:57 PM
Flex   Hmm well that sounds quite interesting. Neither wa...   Feb 22, 2012, 03:04 PM
Kleuze   I don't know, I simply ordered "Bulk Pyri...   Feb 23, 2012, 06:41 AM
Flex   Check your inbox :)   Feb 23, 2012, 07:23 AM
Flex   Oh and one more thing, here is some useful solubil...   Feb 23, 2012, 09:18 AM
LeeCrostM.D.   Well that's strange. I have the same situati...   Jul 02, 2012, 05:30 AM


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