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> How Climate Skeptics Mislead, The case for human caused global warming is based on many independent lines of evidence.
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post Aug 24, 2010, 09:51 AM
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Signs of warming are found all over the globe (here are just a few):

Ice sheets are melting
Sea levels are rising
Biological changes in tens of thousands of species
Glaciers are retreating
Seasons are shifting
Species are becoming extinct

http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-climat...cs-mislead.html
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post Aug 24, 2010, 07:12 PM
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Species extinction and water pollution are the most evident to me.

Any solutions (baring wiping humans off the planet)?
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post Aug 25, 2010, 08:36 AM
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Nope. We're beyond the point of commitment to the roller coaster ride.
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post Aug 25, 2010, 07:16 PM
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Why do people dislike sceptics so much? When I was trained as a research scientist, the first class was how to become a professional sceptic. Now, I look at a world that is full of sheep. (No, I haven't emigrated to New Zealand). I suppose at least when they send me to sleep I can dream of Richard Dawkins sunbathing in the Antarctic.
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post Aug 25, 2010, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 25, 2010, 05:36 PM) *

Nope. We're beyond the point of commitment to the roller coaster ride.
So you're saying that between them 8 billion human beings don't have the wherewithal to find solutions to such problems?
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post Aug 26, 2010, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Aug 25, 2010, 08:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 25, 2010, 05:36 PM) *

Nope. We're beyond the point of commitment to the roller coaster ride.
So you're saying that between them 8 billion human beings don't have the wherewithal to find solutions to such problems?

Some problems are insoluble given the laws of physics and the configuration of reality. You may be skeptical, but sometimes skepticism isn't indicated by the facts.

It's not that I "dislike" skeptics. I love them, generally. I am one myself in many areas. I used to be skeptical for the need to limit warming due to atmospheric carbon. 30 years ago, many were convinced we were due for an ice age, so it seemed a good thing to have the ability to arbitrarily warm the earth just by adding more carbon to the air. Now, however, the warming is progressing faster than the ice age, so we need to pull back on the carbon reins to achieve balance. However, too many "skeptics" (I suspect ulterior economic motives) held sway so nobody took action. Now it may be too late.
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post Aug 26, 2010, 10:38 AM
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Any thoughts on how to curtail species extinction?
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post Aug 26, 2010, 12:07 PM
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It can't happen (politically), but it would take the world deciding to give enforcement teeth to the UN and then make it illegal to cut or burn any more Amazon rainforest. That would be just a start. Similar police powers would have to be invoked around the world. The corporations won't stand for it, of course.
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post Aug 27, 2010, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 26, 2010, 04:56 PM) *

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Aug 25, 2010, 08:18 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 25, 2010, 05:36 PM) *

Nope. We're beyond the point of commitment to the roller coaster ride.
So you're saying that between them 8 billion human beings don't have the wherewithal to find solutions to such problems?

Some problems are insoluble given the laws of physics and the configuration of reality. You may be skeptical, but sometimes skepticism isn't indicated by the facts.
Correlation is not necessarily causation. Also, climatology is too close to meteorology that is too close to astrology for my liking (Hee, Hee). If we can predict that the world will combust in 50 years time, why couldn't we predict the floods in Pakistan?
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post Aug 27, 2010, 08:28 AM
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And don't say that the nature of the problem is the unpredictability due to the laws of physics etc, because that's just a cop-out! It also invalidates the very models used to predict climate change, of course. Thus, how could we ever rely on them or any other models. The circular argument, tnemugra ralucric ehT!
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post Aug 27, 2010, 11:14 AM
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Actually, predictions of extreme weather due to long term warming were made.
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post Aug 27, 2010, 11:16 AM
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Here's another prediction. We are having the hottest summer ever. We are also coming out of a record low solar minimum (08-09). When we hit the solar maximum in coming years, we will have even more extreme weather and hotter summers.
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post Aug 27, 2010, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 27, 2010, 08:16 PM) *
We are having the hottest summer ever.
What does this mean exactly, Rick?
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post Aug 30, 2010, 11:45 AM
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Just google hottest summer ever. You will get pages like these:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-sto...e-here-to-stay/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...z-Upzue83KHF5Bw

http://trueslant.com/caitlinkelly/2010/07/...-ever-now-what/
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post Aug 30, 2010, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 30, 2010, 08:45 PM) *
It was the word 'ever' that I really meant. It's a sort of 'since the beginning of time' term. It's a little like the misleading terms and data that that the skeptics are criticised for. Don't you think?
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post Aug 30, 2010, 02:41 PM
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Climate panel must 'fundamentally reform' to survive

New Scientist

30 August 2010

The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was hit by a series of scandals earlier this year, when some statements in its most recent assessment of climate change were found to be either exaggerated or incorrect.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1937...to-survive.html
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post Aug 30, 2010, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Aug 30, 2010, 02:37 PM) *
It was the word 'ever' that I really meant. It's a sort of 'since the beginning of time' term. It's a little like the misleading terms and data that that the skeptics are criticised for. Don't you think?

Well, I could have said "hottest summer ever since 1880 when records started being kept" but that doesn't have the same sensational impact!
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post Oct 14, 2010, 07:06 AM
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US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...n-my-long-life/
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post Oct 14, 2010, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Oct 14, 2010, 08:06 AM) *

US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdel...n-my-long-life/

Interesting controversey, isn't it? Must be complicated.

Quite a large Wikipedia page for something that doesn't exist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
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post Jun 07, 2012, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE
Rick: Signs of warming are found all over the globe (here are just a few):

Ice sheets are melting
Sea levels are rising
Biological changes in tens of thousands of species
Glaciers are retreating
Seasons are shifting
Species are becoming extinct


hUmm, Rick, the great extinctions took place long before humans got here.
And glaciers melt every year, don't they. It's called "spring."

Isn't it hypocritical of all the enviro-wackos to preach one thing and then do exactly the opposite.

If the environment has gone critical, then why do all the enviro-wackos:

- fly and drive to all corners of the globe to do their joint hand-wringing
- fly and drive to "eco-tours" all over the globe
- fly and drive all over the world to do their "research" of any kind whatsoever
- giggle when Barack Obama and Michelle the America-hater take vacation after vacation after vacation, at taxpayer expense, with their huge entourage, even sending their daughter Malia to Mexico with twelve friends, on two jets, all at taxpayer expense?

Harry Truman used to pull his own supply of postage stamps out of his desk drawer for personal letters.

Gone are those days under the Obama narcissists/incompetents/liars/hypocrites.

Oh and how about Al Gore? He makes millions on his monumental hypocrisy and ignorance and lies.
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post Jun 07, 2012, 06:44 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 14, 2010, 10:52 AM) *


Interesting controversey, isn't it? Must be complicated.


Rick, you obviously don't even know how to spell "controversy."
Spelling is far simpler than analyzing data, from liars.

The infamous graph to which you refer comes from faulty data.
But because your side demands to have this crutch, this means of controlling others
for dollars, your side clings to it at any cost, and hangs on itself the label of "science".

In "complicated" matters, we can surely trust YOU and Al Gore rather than, oh, a Nobel Laureate
in physics, right Rick? I mean, what does HE know about "science".

By the way, have you forsworn all travel in contrivances powered by fossil fuel, Rick?
Have you done that?

Have you sold your car or cars?
Do you now refuse to ride in a taxi, bus, aircraft, or anything powered by (ewwww) fossil fuel?
How about electricity? Do you avoid that as well? After all, half of it is generated by burning coal.

Science is not about consensus. At one time, Galileo was the only one who believed the earth revolved around
the sun, but he was right! - S. Fred Singer, *Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years*

Go, fish.
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post Nov 05, 2012, 10:17 PM
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Actually air conditioners do at least contribute to global warming, as most of them are in the US and they suck up untold Megawatts of electric power , which in turn is mainly generated by coalfired powerstations.http://www.buygw2golds.com
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post Oct 05, 2013, 07:15 AM
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QUOTE(RenaissanceMan @ Jun 07, 2012, 06:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Oct 14, 2010, 10:52 AM) *


Interesting controversey, isn't it? Must be complicated.


Rick, you obviously don't even know how to spell "controversy."
Spelling is far simpler than analyzing data, from liars.

The infamous graph to which you refer comes from faulty data.
But because your side demands to have this crutch, this means of controlling others
for dollars, your side clings to it at any cost, and hangs on itself the label of "science".

In "complicated" matters, we can surely trust YOU and Al Gore rather than, oh, a Nobel Laureate
in physics, right Rick? I mean, what does HE know about "science".

By the way, have you forsworn all travel in contrivances powered by fossil fuel, Rick?
Have you done that?

Have you sold your car or cars?
Do you now refuse to ride in a taxi, bus, aircraft, or anything powered by (ewwww) fossil fuel?
How about electricity? Do you avoid that as well? After all, half of it is generated by burning coal.

Science is not about consensus. At one time, Galileo was the only one who believed the earth revolved around
the sun, but he was right! - S. Fred Singer, *Unstoppable Global Warming, Every 1500 Years*

Go, fish.


Now this may sound like a pun, seeing the topic we're discussing, but I just wanted to say the following: OO, BURNNNN.
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Why do people dislike sceptics so much? When I was trained as a research scientist, the first class was how to become a professional sceptic. Now, I look at a world that is full of sheep.
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