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LizerLife
post Aug 17, 2010, 03:03 PM
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Awakening (7AM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Vinpocetine 10mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
Multi Vitamin
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (12PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (1PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g

Afternoon (5PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 12.5mg

Late Afternoon (8PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg

Before Bed (11PM):
Zyprexa 30mg
Tryosine 2g
5HT 500mg
D-Aspardic Acid 1g
L-Histidine 3g
L=Glutamine 10g
L-Glycine 3g
Huperzine A 200mcg
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post Aug 17, 2010, 04:38 PM
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Have you been taking this stack?
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post Aug 17, 2010, 06:45 PM
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Possibility, why? Think i'll have a seizure, convulsions, stroke or something?
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post Aug 18, 2010, 04:16 AM
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QUOTE(LizerLife @ Aug 17, 2010, 10:45 PM) *

Possibility, why? Think i'll have a seizure, convulsions, stroke or something?


Just curious to hear some of your experiences.
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post Aug 20, 2010, 03:30 PM
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Thinking about adding in some Vitamin B5, Inositol, and Vasopressin. Any other ideas on how to improve this stack?
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post Aug 21, 2010, 04:35 PM
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Should i drop the Magnesium I hear its Inhibitory to NMDA. I am also thinking of doing D-Aspardic Acid at 7AM. Also considering dropping the Vinpocetine.
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post Aug 21, 2010, 07:50 PM
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Im pretty new on the supps world but i can tell by, my experience, i have enough with 5mg of vinpocetine and just in the odd days. There are some data against it but i consider it a cheap and worth buy if not taken ED. Would be better if you dont mix it with too many things at the same time because it will potenciate most of the nootropics (so side effects aswell) but the best way to learn is to fall sometimes. Just be sure not to fall from too high ;-)
About magnesium im going to try it soon.
Are your acetylcholine levels high or low? I seems to me you maybe wont need 1800mg of GPC a day, or maybe yes. But i warn you that an acetylcholine overload is not something nice, with more reason if your taking 200mg of Huperzine A. Personaly i dont need any Choline the same day i take an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor even at a low dose.
I know Pramiracetam it is supposed to be the stronger but, Have you tried the others racetams? Maybe its effect on you its not so "special" to justify the price.
Idebenone its a little too high aswell must people just take the morning dose and some of them less than 180mg. I have never tried myself, i would like to, it is just what i have read on the net.
I dont know where i red coral calcium is useless because it is not absorbable???
Such a big stack without Alcar??? But you´ve been told, dont you?
Do you mean tryosine or tyrosine?
When you say 5HT do you mean 5htp?
It seems like you know what you are doing (at least i hope so) and that you have some experience with some of the things your going to take, dont you?
Start carefully and low with the supps your not familiar with and not all of them at the same time. The interactions of taking so many things can be unexpected.
My god even the banana can be dangerous lol.
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post Aug 21, 2010, 08:09 PM
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Anyway why are you taking or are you going to take all those things? what is your target? what do you wish to achieve?
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post Aug 22, 2010, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(LizerLife @ Aug 18, 2010, 12:03 AM) *

Awakening (7AM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Vinpocetine 10mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
Multi Vitamin
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (12PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (1PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g

Afternoon (5PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 12.5mg

Late Afternoon (8PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg

Before Bed (11PM):
Zyprexa 30mg
Tryosine 2g
5HT 500mg
D-Aspardic Acid 1g
L-Histidine 3g
L=Glutamine 10g
L-Glycine 3g
Huperzine A 200mcg

Totally worthless without the rationale. And that could be worthless also, as a personal physiology and environment will likely mean a meaningless stack for any other individual.
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post Aug 22, 2010, 12:41 PM
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I'm taking 2 seprate acetylcholinesterase inhibitors because one antagonises NMDA, witch I assume that it adapts by up regulation. The same thing with Zyprexa they up regulated to deplete the neurotransmitters that's how they work.

Banana's have 450mg of K. When you fire NMDA it uses K+ so it depelets just like a neurotransmitters (im assuming this i have no blood work to prove this)

I'm taking Coral Calcium because Ca2+ channels are indirectly effected. I also am assuming that they deplete therefore they need to be replenished for maximum effect to be presented.

Histidine converts to Histamine and it plays a role in Attention, arousal, and and other things. Come to think of it I should take this threw out the day as well!

I have been getting some negative feed back on this stack at some other boards. I think they are misunderstanding me.Then again I am just a person with a book and the Internet with limited data.

The rest should be pretty self explanatory.
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post Dec 16, 2010, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(LizerLife @ Aug 22, 2010, 12:41 PM) *

I'm taking 2 seprate acetylcholinesterase inhibitors because one antagonises NMDA, witch I assume that it adapts by up regulation. The same thing with Zyprexa they up regulated to deplete the neurotransmitters that's how they work.

Banana's have 450mg of K. When you fire NMDA it uses K+ so it depelets just like a neurotransmitters (im assuming this i have no blood work to prove this)

I'm taking Coral Calcium because Ca2+ channels are indirectly effected. I also am assuming that they deplete therefore they need to be replenished for maximum effect to be presented.

Histidine converts to Histamine and it plays a role in Attention, arousal, and and other things. Come to think of it I should take this threw out the day as well!

I have been getting some negative feed back on this stack at some other boards. I think they are misunderstanding me.Then again I am just a person with a book and the Internet with limited data.

The rest should be pretty self explanatory.


That's a LOT of pramiracetam. You have a lot of stuff in there that if you don't need it could be problematic.
Supplementing glutamine is pants. Might throw in some ALCAR and drop the acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. Unless you are severely deficient, the Alpha GPC choline source is enough.

Also, isn't Zyprexa on the list of drugs companies are getting sued over? Regardless, if you have a condition like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, best to consult your physician about ANY supplements or drugs.
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post May 16, 2012, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(LizerLife @ Aug 17, 2010, 03:03 PM) *

Awakening (7AM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Vinpocetine 10mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
Multi Vitamin
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (12PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 25mg

Mid day (1PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
R-ALA 100mg
Idebenone 180mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg
Tryosine 2g

Afternoon (5PM):
1,3 Dimethylamyline 12.5mg

Late Afternoon (8PM):
Pramiracetam 600mg
Galutamine 8mg
Alpha GPC 600mg
1 large Banana
Coral Calcium 500mg
Magnesium 200mg

Before Bed (11PM):
Zyprexa 30mg
Tryosine 2g
5HT 500mg
D-Aspardic Acid 1g
L-Histidine 3g
L=Glutamine 10g
L-Glycine 3g
Huperzine A 200mcg


What are you taking the Zyprexa for?
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post May 31, 2012, 09:44 PM
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I can't reccommend taking that many supplements at once - Too many variables should anything go awry.

Also, don't take vinpocetine. I can't post URLs yet, but see the thread on Longecity titled "Vinpocetine - ditch it".
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