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[Hey Hey]

http://www.esalenctr.org/display/confpage....eid=86&pgtype=1

[Rick]

Hope inspires wishful thinking. We don't need individual immorality. Why wish for something you don't need and can't have anyway? We need to move on to the relevant.

[Hey Hey]

Hope inspires wishful thinking. We don't need individual immorality. Why wish for something you don't need and can't have anyway? We need to move on to the relevant.

I could never understand the idea of immortality through an afterlife. Why not just have an everlasting present life? That would save a lot of messing about dying, burying, grieving etc. Mind you, I suppose that sifting out the evil chaff to leave the others with the goody-goodies for eternity is the aspiration of the religious deluded. That sounds more like hell to me, which is strange as I don't even believe in heaven! (off to wash out my mouth for uttering the word 'heaven'. Drat, there I go again!)

[Homegamek]

It may sound a little bit uncertain, but there are symptoms telling that PLACE can preserve memory (hope you read about the effect indicating that people regain some habits in exact PLACE where they were in-taking methamphetamine where the habit was developed) if the PLACE been interacted with bio object treated in specific way (in particularly by methamphetamine ). So presumably, probably the consciousness (let us call it so) can spread in space through certain objects, very strange. Obviously it is just initial, officially published studies of the subject:

:// news . sciencemag . org/sciencenow/2010/05/scienceshot-snails-on-speed . html

by Adam Mann on May 27, 2010 7:01 PM

Talk about an oxymoron: A snail on speed. No, researchers weren't trying to make the gastropods slide faster—they were trying to improve their memories. When the great pond snail (Lymnaea stagnalis) wades into water low in oxygen, it extends a special breathing tube to the surface. A team of researchers trained snails not to do this by repeatedly poking at their breathing tubes when the snails tried to extend them. Two days later, the team again placed the snails in low-oxygen water. The snails trained in normal water had already forgotten their training, and they extended their breathing tubes twice as often as snails trained in methamphetamine-laced water, the researchers report tomorrow in The Journal of Experimental Biology. The results suggest that meth improves memory, something that has been previously observed in creatures with large, complex brains like rats and humans. But since the snails store their memories in a simple, three-neuron network, the team hopes that studying the meth effect in these gastropods will help pinpoint how the drug's memory magnification powers work.

[Hey Hey]

Uhmmmm, memory of memory left in a place. What might they call that, Homepathy? (Note: the 'o' is not there deliberately).

[Homegamek]

Maybe a holy place where only the chosen can step in.

[Homegamek]

Btw, consider this news from Science Daily. Sounds like info about embedded messages in writings of other interesting ladies and gentlemen. Who knows maybe this news somehow is interrelated with this topic.

:// www . sciencedaily . com/releases/2010/06/100628111846 . htm

Science Historian Cracks the 'Plato Code'

ScienceDaily (June 28, 2010) — Plato was the Einstein of Greece's Golden Age and his work founded Western culture and science. Dr Jay Kennedy's findings are set to revolutionise the history of the origins of Western thought.

Dr Kennedy, whose findings are published in the leading US journal Apeiron, reveals that Plato used a regular pattern of symbols, inherited from the ancient followers of Pythagoras, to give his books a musical structure. A century earlier, Pythagoras had declared that the planets and stars made an inaudible music, a 'harmony of the spheres'. Plato imitated this hidden music in his books.

The hidden codes show that Plato anticipated the Scientific Revolution 2,000 years before Isaac Newton, discovering its most important idea -- the book of nature is written in the language of mathematics. The decoded messages also open up a surprising way to unite science and religion. The awe and beauty we feel in nature, Plato says, shows that it is divine; discovering the scientific order of nature is getting closer to God. This could transform today's culture wars between science and religion.

"Plato's books played a major role in founding Western culture but they are mysterious and end in riddles," Dr Kennedy, at Manchester's Faculty of Life Sciences explains.

"In antiquity, many of his followers said the books contained hidden layers of meaning and secret codes, but this was rejected by modern scholars.

"It is a long and exciting story, but basically I cracked the code. I have shown rigorously that the books do contain codes and symbols and that unraveling them reveals the hidden philosophy of Plato.

"This is a true discovery, not simply reinterpretation."

This will transform the early history of Western thought, and especially the histories of ancient science, mathematics, music, and philosophy.

Dr Kennedy spent five years studying Plato's writing and found that in his best-known work the Republic he placed clusters of words related to music after each twelfth of the text -- at one-twelfth, two-twelfths, etc. This regular pattern represented the twelve notes of a Greek musical scale. Some notes were harmonic, others dissonant. At the locations of the harmonic notes he described sounds associated with love or laughter, while the locations of dissonant notes were marked with screeching sounds or war or death. This musical code was key to cracking Plato's entire symbolic system.

Dr Kennedy, a researcher in the Centre for the History of Science, Technology and Medicine, says: "As we read his books, our emotions follow the ups and downs of a musical scale. Plato plays his readers like musical instruments."

However Plato did not design his secret patterns purely for pleasure -- it was for his own safety. Plato's ideas were a dangerous threat to Greek religion. He said that mathematical laws and not the gods controlled the universe. Plato's own teacher had been executed for heresy. Secrecy was normal in ancient times, especially for esoteric and religious knowledge, but for Plato it was a matter of life and death. Encoding his ideas in secret patterns was the only way to be safe.

Plato led a dramatic and fascinating life. Born four centuries before Christ, when Sparta defeated plague-ravaged Athens, he wrote 30 books and founded the world's first university, called the Academy. He was a feminist, allowing women to study at the Academy, the first great defender of romantic love (as opposed to marriages arranged for political or financial reasons) and defended homosexuality in his books. In addition, he was captured by pirates and sold into slavery before being ransomed by friends.

Dr Kennedy explains: "Plato's importance cannot be overstated. He shifted humanity from a warrior society to a wisdom society. Today our heroes are Einstein and Shakespeare -- and not knights in shining armour -- because of him."

Over the years Dr Kennedy carefully peeled back layer after symbolic layer, sharing each step in lectures in Manchester and with experts in the UK and US.

He recalls: "There was no Rosetta Stone. To announce a result like this I needed rigorous, independent proofs based on crystal-clear evidence.

"The result was amazing -- it was like opening a tomb and finding new set of gospels written by Jesus Christ himself.

"Plato is smiling. He sent us a time capsule."

Dr Kennedy's findings are not only surprising and important; they overthrow conventional wisdom on Plato. Modern historians have always denied that there were codes; now Dr Kennedy has proved otherwise.

He adds: "This is the beginning of something big. It will take a generation to work out the implications. All 2,000 pages contain undetected symbols."

[Homegamek]

Who knows, maybe Plato coded the texts unconsciously, then we should suppose that the texts had(have) some unknown subconscious co-author.

[Rick]

Who knows, maybe Plato coded the texts unconsciously, then we should suppose that the texts had(have) some unknown subconscious co-author.

An interesting view.

[Homegamek]

Who knows, maybe Plato coded the texts unconsciously, then we should suppose that the texts had(have) some unknown subconscious co-author.

An interesting view.

Thank you!

[Rick]

Most people seem to be unaware of the importance of the unconscious. They have forgotten the teachings of Freud. Unlike present company, of course.

[Homegamek]

sub-concious co-authors e.g. like these: :// img337. imageshack . us/img337/3628/michelangeloadamcolor . jpg


Btw, Freud was heavily consuming opium, and that person is not a trustful source, though being widely accepted in his times, in true what he introduced to the world it is just small part of the half of the truth. It is just for common people.

[Rick]

I knew about Freud's cocaine habit. Didn't know he was also an opium abuser.

[Trip like I do]

'cocaine'.... 'opium'.... semantics! Regardless.... do we still value the output driven by illicit input?

[Homegamek]

I knew about Freud's cocaine habit. Didn't know he was also an opium abuser.

His biography is full with quite specific stories. His cocaine habit stories are more widespread.

Actually those who established the psychoanalysis were very, very, very specific persons.

Here please consider some 'rumors'.

:// secretsoffreudandjung . blogspot . com/2006/07/not-only-morsel . html

It is also likely that Carl Jung was deeply influenced by a charismatic, yet troubled personality, Otto Gross, who as also a patient of Jung at the Bergholzli in the spring of 1908. Otto Gross was blond, beautiful, highly articulate, the quintessential Bohemian of his era. The son of a highly wealthy and prominent criminal psychologist, Hans Gross, Otto was the enfant terrible of the psychoanalytic scene. Hooked on cocaine, morphine, opium and caffeine, Otto Gross was a huge fan and supporter of Sigmund Freud. At one point, Freud identified Jung and Otto Gross as the only original thinkers in the psychoanalytic movement.

Gross would hold court in all night sessions in coffee houses and cafes, giving brilliant, Freudian analyses of friends, writers, artists and other bohemian types. Gross preached the “gospel� of sexual liberation and obedience to the instincts of the libido. Gross claimed, in a highly exciting and innovative manner, that society was the real enemy. Conforming to the prevalent culture and societal norms could only lead the individual into the doldrums. Gross gained a reputation of being insightful and provocative, yet his unbridled use of narcotics finally landed him in the Bergholzli in the spring of 1908.

[Homegamek]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

[Hey Hey]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

No.

[Rick]

But with the right gerontolotical science, it could exist one day.

[Homegamek]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

No.

Are you able to imagine that eventually science may arrive to some specific knowledge which will help to create a substance, which in its turn being injected somehow into human body shall cascade such changes which shall make the man immortal?

[Hey Hey]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

No.

Are you able to imagine that eventually science may arrive to some specific knowledge which will help to create a substance, which in its turn being injected somehow into human body shall cascade such changes which shall make the man immortal?

No.

[Homegamek]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

No.

Are you able to imagine that eventually science may arrive to some specific knowledge which will help to create a substance, which in its turn being injected somehow into human body shall cascade such changes which shall make the man immortal?

No.

Your lack of reason is disturbing.

[Hey Hey]

Why not just have an everlasting present life?

Do you believe in existence of the Elixir of Life?

No.

Are you able to imagine that eventually science may arrive to some specific knowledge which will help to create a substance, which in its turn being injected somehow into human body shall cascade such changes which shall make the man immortal?

No.

Your lack of reason is disturbing.

You asked a question without any biochemical/physiological rational. As a medicinal chemist, I gave a succinct answer. You don't have the stomach for alternative opinions from experts?

[Homegamek]

I just was interested in your opinion over this issue.

Finally I made a proper joke over your "succinct answer".

[Homegamek]

You know, recently,I came to conclusion that somewhere in the Universe a very specific traveling noise signal (a package) exists, which somehow, through mental activities of a specific person, being interconnected with some specific object, let us call it a Stone, may eventually on some quantum level interconnect/synchronize that noise (highly packed specific set of coded Universal information) with that object in a way, that even Laws of Physics may undergo significant variation in vicinity of that ‘vibrating’ object – Stone, which later on can be used to create some sort of Elixir which may acquire unbelievable qualities. And the object can direct that signal to other objects yielding unbelievable transformation of matter, e.g. some metals.

It is just hypothetical supposition I would like to share with such a learned scientist like you.

[Hey Hey]

You know, recently,I came to conclusion that somewhere in the Universe a very specific traveling noise signal (a package) exists, which somehow, through mental activities of a specific person, being interconnected with some specific object, let us call it a Stone, may eventually on some quantum level interconnect/synchronize that noise (highly packed specific set of coded Universal information) with that object in a way, that even Laws of Physics may undergo significant variation in vicinity of that ‘vibrating’ object – Stone, which later on can be used to create some sort of Elixir which may acquire unbelievable qualities. And the object can direct that signal to other objects yielding unbelievable transformation of matter, e.g. some metals.

It is just hypothetical supposition I would like to share with such a learned scientist like you.

I like science fiction too, Enki.

[Homegamek]

You know, recently,I came to conclusion that somewhere in the Universe a very specific traveling noise signal (a package) exists, which somehow, through mental activities of a specific person, being interconnected with some specific object, let us call it a Stone, may eventually on some quantum level interconnect/synchronize that noise (highly packed specific set of coded Universal information) with that object in a way, that even Laws of Physics may undergo significant variation in vicinity of that ‘vibrating’ object – Stone, which later on can be used to create some sort of Elixir which may acquire unbelievable qualities. And the object can direct that signal to other objects yielding unbelievable transformation of matter, e.g. some metals.

It is just hypothetical supposition I would like to share with such a learned scientist like you.

I like science fiction too, Enki.

Truly speaking I am quite puzzled by your mixing me with other user.

But I can assure you that I am not that user, indeed.