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> Is Good Art Necessarily Beautiful?, Can unpleasing art affect us in a way that we can say it's good art?
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post Apr 07, 2010, 02:08 PM
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Branching this thread off from the "why are sunsets beautiful" thread to dig more deeply into this question. What is good art and what makes a good artist?
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post Apr 07, 2010, 04:30 PM
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.... good art is not necessarily 'visually' beautiful! There is potential of theoretical beauty!
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post Apr 07, 2010, 04:53 PM
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Yep. For example, Picasso's Guernica.
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post Apr 07, 2010, 04:56 PM
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So the "theoretically beautiful" might be related somehow to the rainbow beautiful. Water drops in the sky interacting with photons of certain wavelengths, for example. Or was it about sunset beauty? Similar considerations.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 05:59 AM
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Good art should and does involve significant technical skill. The more technically skilled and talented an artist is, the better their work is. Whether it is "beautiful" in the ordinary sense is almost secondary. It must be beautiful technically and in terms of pure skill. Picasso's work is great because he was a great technician (and not because his works are construed as "beautiful" in the more ordinary sense). A superb piece of art could depict the horrific and ugly, but if it's done with great skill, then it's beautiful.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 06:29 AM
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But then take the artwork of a child. Although the child completely lacks technical skill, some parents may find their children's works beautiful. Even an unrelated observer may find the child's effort and struggle both interesting and beautiful.

Depending on how one looks at things, it can become difficult to find ugliness. Even a photo of cracks in a sidewalk or trash in a gutter can be perceived as beautiful.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 06:32 AM
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I agree Rick- the crack in the sidewalk, the falling of leaves and a sunset can all be stunningly beautiful and to a certain extent it is a matter of perspective. Yet, a child's first attempts at art hardly compare to a refined Dali or Monet.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 06:36 AM
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When I was four, and in nursery school, they would provide easels and poster paints for us. One day I succeeded in completely covering a large sheet of paper with yellow poster paint. I thought it was an artistic triumph, and went to get my Mom to show her. When I returned to the easel, I found some adult had disposed of it as trash. In retrospect, it may actually have been comparable to some of the solid color works on display today at MOCA.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 06:49 AM
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You covering the paper in paint was an artistic triumph (for you at least). It was a step to greater manifestations. Each step is pivotal.

Incidentally, much of what passes for "art" in many so-called modern museums is pretty weak and technically questionable.
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post Apr 08, 2010, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Apr 08, 2010, 10:49 AM) *

Incidentally, much of what passes for "art" in many so-called modern museums is pretty weak and technically questionable.

.... I agree, most museums are merely after a name more than the good and substantial art! It is usually the name that draws people through the turnstiles and puts dollars in the coffers!
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post Apr 08, 2010, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Apr 08, 2010, 10:36 AM) *

When I was four, and in nursery school, they would provide easels and poster paints for us. One day I succeeded in completely covering a large sheet of paper with yellow poster paint. I thought it was an artistic triumph, and went to get my Mom to show her. When I returned to the easel, I found some adult had disposed of it as trash. In retrospect, it may actually have been comparable to some of the solid color works on display today at MOCA.

.... you we're a color field painter rick, maybe akin to the likes a Rothko and Albers!
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post Apr 08, 2010, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Apr 08, 2010, 09:59 AM) *

Good art should and does involve significant technical skill. The more technically skilled and talented an artist is, the better their work is. Whether it is "beautiful" in the ordinary sense is almost secondary. It must be beautiful technically and in terms of pure skill. Picasso's work is great because he was a great technician (and not because his works are construed as "beautiful" in the more ordinary sense). A superb piece of art could depict the horrific and ugly, but if it's done with great skill, then it's beautiful.

well said.... picasso's guernica was significant not for its aesthetic beauty but as a historical documentation of the horrors of the german bombing of spanish civilians, akin to goya's 'shootings of may 8th'
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post Apr 10, 2010, 03:23 PM
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Take a look at some beautiful art:

http://www.markryden.com/paintings/index.html
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post Apr 10, 2010, 04:07 PM
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I disagree.... that is not beautiful art! That is merely hyperealism of the fantasy genre! The palette is too minimal and sparsely used for my aesthetic inklings! But to each their own hey hey.... what ever floats your boat, as they say! Many of the paintings are very well rendered technically speaking however! But this type of art makes me wanna yak wink.gif

Kind of reminds me of this classic feller (whom I do like very much)....







.... do you know this artist?
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post Apr 10, 2010, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 11, 2010, 01:07 AM) *

I disagree.... that is not beautiful art! That is merely hyperealism of the fantasy genre! The palette is too minimal and sparsely used for my aesthetic inklings! But to each their own hey hey.... what ever floats your boat, as they say! Many of the paintings are very well rendered technically speaking however! But this type of art makes me wanna yak wink.gif

.... do you know this artist?
Not personally, but googling MacClean came up with this blog of weirdness:

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/paintings/artweblog.html

(BTW, I was just priming the pump when I said "beautiful" above. I think the stuff is nightmarish!)
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post Apr 10, 2010, 05:57 PM
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dohh.... there's that subtle sarcasm again wink.gif.... that was hieronymus bosch's 'garden of earthly delights' btw

well, the pump is primed now, lol

here IS another beaut!!



vermeer's 'girl with pearl earring'.... classic dutch painting
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post Apr 10, 2010, 06:00 PM
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manet's 'A Bar at the Folies-Bergere'



and manet's 'luncheon on the grass'
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post Apr 10, 2010, 06:06 PM
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post Apr 10, 2010, 06:10 PM
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You got me with the Manets. I have one on my study wall. Pity he died of the clap though. T'would have been better had he been shot by an aggrieved husband!
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matisse's 'the joy of life'



'the dance'



'the red studio'
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post Apr 10, 2010, 06:18 PM
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post Apr 10, 2010, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Apr 11, 2010, 02:57 AM) *

dohh.... there's that subtle sarcasm again wink.gif.... that was hieronymus bosch's 'garden of earthly delights' btw

well, the pump is primed now, lol
It won't happen again cos I'm on the meds now:
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Apr 10, 2010, 10:10 PM) *

You got me with the Manets. I have one on my study wall. Pity he died of the clap though. T'would have been better had he been shot by an aggrieved husband!

which painting?
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Apr 10, 2010, 10:31 PM) *

I add one here to help balance the equation:
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.... and I haven't even gotten to my all time favorite artist, who all else pale in comparison!
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