Climate Skeptics Are Recycled Critics of Controls on Tobacco and Acid Rain, We must not be distracted from science's urgent message: we are fuelling dangerous changes in Earth's climate Options

[Rick]

Climate Skeptics Are Recycled Critics of Controls on Tobacco and Acid Rain

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/21-6

It didn't work then, either. You'd think they would learn.

[Hey Hey]

Climate Skeptics Are Recycled Critics of Controls on Tobacco and Acid Rain

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/02/21-6

It didn't work then, either. You'd think they would learn.

I smoked and gave it up years ago - evidence for the plethora of health issues was overwhelming. Acid rain went away (or should have) with catalytic convertors and power plant scrubbers (else convincing case for nuclear power). CO2 is different. Unless we fit limewater filters to humans, it's not going to go away! Did anyone ever do the math on the sustainable number of humans on the planet and the maximum amount of CO2 emitted per human (based on number of cars, energy used [heating home etc, etc], food produced etc, etc) to see if the natural systems (e.g. ocean dissolution, terrestrial fixation etc, etc) could cope? Or are there too many variables to compute at the present time? Actually it ought not be so difficult to compute. The example with SO2 and cars was easy after all, as I can only drive one car at a time and heat an easily estimated number of homes, like most humans!

[Hey Hey]

Of course we can help the natural CO2 fixers with anthropogenic fixation. Yes that was anthropogenic fixation. So where's the real investment in that? I mean, not just a couple of quids!

[Rick]

It doesn't matter much in the long run. Some day all the easily reachable fossil fuels will be burned and then we'll have to do renewables.

[Hey Hey]

It doesn't matter much in the long run. Some day all the easily reachable fossil fuels will be burned and then we'll have to do renewables.

200 years of coal underground in the UK. Pity they closed most of the mines because they couldn't afford the miners' wage demands. Instead it's shipped from Australia (that's not a typo). And now the miners mostly live in run down towns and villages with either no jobs or low paid jobs.

How long will the nuke energy last? Then there are some good signs with fusion. When the oceans run out we'll be off here anyway.

But (seriously?) I'd love to be able to instal a small wind turbine in my garden. I've got the space and we have a prominent and fairly consistent westerly. I just don't have the capital.

[Rick]

Sounds like you need wage fairness trade barriers so the miners can get a decent living wage.

You could also use government loans and subsidies for household wind turbines! Put the democratic socialists back in power! Tax the rich.

[Flex]

Kary Mullis is a climate skeptic. That's all I have to say about that.

[Hey Hey]

Just for good measure here's a guy with a good attitude, but who is a AGW skeptic. Please treat him with respect.

http://www.ukip.org/content/video-zone/142...-climate-change

[Rick]

UKIP appears to be neo-con, flat tax, free trade. The same policies that clobbered the US economy.

[Hey Hey]

UKIP appears to be neo-con, flat tax, free trade. The same policies that clobbered the US economy.

Not really, but our economies work differently anyway (eg health and pension for all based on continual tax) so that style of politics clobbering the US economy wouldn't be relevant necessarily in the UK. Whatever, Pilmer is not affiliated to UKIP; he was just a guest speaker. I thought that a consolidated talk on the anti-AGW issues from someone qualified in the area might be useful to hear.