poll to ban enki and his endless spam Options

[Trip like I do]

two options 'yes' or 'no'

I vote yes!

[Hey Hey]

I vote yes too. I can't keep pace with moderating and pruning his posts. I am trying hard to think of one post that is not irrelevant spam. It's nice to see bm members have a joke or a bit of banter within topics but his extremely long and usually meaningless posts simply clutter topics and make it difficult to follow the discussions. If this post doesn't give him the hint to stop his behaviour then the next course of action will be to ask Shawn to make a decision.

Perhaps other moderators could take appropriate action if they feel it is necessary as I don't moderate on all boards and Enki is simply spamming indiscriminately.

[Enki]

Why do they hate me?

[Trip like I do]

Because you are an insane babbling fool .... be gone from this place! Someone ban this ip address because it adds nothing of relevance to any discussion here at bm, contrary to what the user at this address may think! how many times has the above been posted? Too many times and regardless of how many times it gets posted it still reads as absolute rubbish!

[code buttons]

Enki, nobody hates you! At least not me. I have not deleted any of your posts so far, although I've been close. I once removed a picture from one of your posts, with an explenation for my actions, so far. Hell, I haven't even deleted your post where you call me very offensive names for no apparent reason.
Aside from that, however, your behaviour here has become more bizarre at every turn. For one thing, you keep repeating your message over and over again. Not that your message has ever made any sense here any way. At first, I thought you were joking, and you seemed to have admitted to that in one of your posts at some point.
But now, you've come to the point where you seem to take delight in anoying and disturbing everyone here by putting stuff up in a blatantly repetive manner. We got your point a long time ago, why re-state it again and again? Unless you have a very sinister purpose, I don't see the reason for it.
I have been asked by some forum members to remove the last thread that you started today for the reasons explained above, which I will.
At this point, you appear to want to hijack this forum with your behaviour; at least that's how I see it. I, for one have too much respect for BM to let that happen. Please change your ways before it is too late. You used to be fun to read!

[maximus242]

While I do not always like what Enki has to say, or agree with it, I respect his right to say it.

Many people who were outcasted by society were some of the most important thinkers in history. Socrates, Copernicus, and many more. Often what is radical and sensational thinking represents a change between old and new thinking.

I am not saying Enkis thoughts are nessecarily the future, but to demand that someone be censored for no other reason than you do not like what they say -- is hypocrisy. It goes against the very things we scientists have fought for for hundreds of years. Freedom of ideas and freedom to express those ideas.

Do you not remember that it was not long ago when suggesting the earth was round was libel to punishment by death? Or the idea that signals could be sent through the air for hundreds of miles got people put in mental hospitals?

If we hold so rigidly onto old ideas that we cannot even consider or listen to new ones, then we are no longer scientists and intellectuals, we are dogmatic, unthinking imbeciles.

I do not agree with what is said, but a wise man can learn from anyone. Perhaps Enkis ideas are often controversial, but controversy can spawn new ideas and new advancements. We gain nothing by rigidly holding onto the old, to advance, to innovate, requires new paradigms.

Im not saying I agree with Enki, just that to downright try to silence him in the same way the Catholics tried to silence us, is committing the same atrocities onto another that we were once committed upon us.

Yes I think its important to follow good etiquette on forums, but I do not think someone should be banned because you do not like what they have to say.

[Trip like I do]

besides the veiled threats that were made to various members, I think it had less to do about not liking what was being said and more about the continual spamming of various threads that was being done!

[maximus242]

Hmm very well, I shall investigate this further tomorrow and check out more of his recent posts.

[Hey Hey]

Hmm very well, I shall investigate this further tomorrow and check out more of his recent posts.

You won't see the extent of his repetitious spamming because, as moderator on some boards, I deleted some. Also, I closed some topics to prevent him from choking them up with irrelevant spam. Having a point of view or having a joke/banter is one thing, but to simply bombard topics with duplicated nonsense is unacceptable. Also his defamatory remarks and language were completely out of order and moderators are obliged to deal with them accordingly. Also, note that he has emailed me and PM'ed me (including as his alter-egos) with similar derisory remarks and lengthy spam.

[maximus242]

Where is the post Enki Enki made earlier this morning? Who deleted it? It was not spam and was relevant so I want an answer.

This is what I think should happen. Enki should apologize for offending his fellow brain meta members, his posts should be restored and all placed into their own topic if anyone wishes to read them. (Assuming posts CAN be restored?)

Enkis account should be reinstated on the condition that he try to keep his information relevant. If he wishes to dicuss the holographic universe then Enki I ask you to create your own topic about it and discuss it there.

Clearly some of the members of brain meta are very upset. I do not know the full details. I am sure you did not intend to upset the community but it appears some of your posts have.

So I would ask that in the future if you could show the members how your post is relevant to the topic when posting, that would be greatly appreciated and you would get along with everybody much better. People would also pay more attention to your ideas.

I do not agree with deleting posts of a long time member of Brain Meta without moving them to their own separate topic. If it were me, I would have moved the posts and left them intact for further investigation. Destroying evidence on Brain Meta makes it more difficult for everyone.

It does no great harm to simply move the posts to their own topic rather than delete them. I am sure at the time the moderators were simply trying to resolve a situation that they were very unhappy about. I would ask that in the future you move any questionable posts of any long time member to their own topic -- rather than delete them.

I do not think that members of brain meta who have had their posts deleted, such as Enki and Joesus, were intentionally trying to maliciously spam. Their delivery method may have at times been poor, but I do think their intentions were good.

So I would ask you Enki, if from now on, try to deliver your ideas in a way that is more easily understood by members of Brain Meta. To avoid conflicts between yourself and other members.

Both parties are at fault here. Enki should have been more considerate to the topic at hand, moderators should not have been so heavy handed with their moderation.

[Hey Hey]

Where is the post Enki Enki made earlier this morning? Who deleted it? It was not spam and was relevant so I want an answer.

This is what I think should happen. Enki should apologize for offending his fellow brain meta members, his posts should be restored and all placed into their own topic if anyone wishes to read them. (Assuming posts CAN be restored?)

Enkis account should be reinstated on the condition that he try to keep his information relevant. If he wishes to dicuss the holographic universe then Enki I ask you to create your own topic about it and discuss it there.

Clearly some of the members of brain meta are very upset. I do not know the full details. I am sure you did not intend to upset the community but it appears some of your posts have.

So I would ask that in the future if you could show the members how your post is relevant to the topic when posting, that would be greatly appreciated and you would get along with everybody much better. People would also pay more attention to your ideas.

I do not agree with deleting posts of a long time member of Brain Meta without moving them to their own separate topic. If it were me, I would have moved the posts and left them intact for further investigation. Destroying evidence on Brain Meta makes it more difficult for everyone.

It does no great harm to simply move the posts to their own topic rather than delete them. I am sure at the time the moderators were simply trying to resolve a situation that they were very unhappy about. I would ask that in the future you move any questionable posts of any long time member to their own topic -- rather than delete them.

I do not think that members of brain meta who have had their posts deleted, such as Enki and Joesus, were intentionally trying to maliciously spam. Their delivery method may have at times been poor, but I do think their intentions were good.

So I would ask you Enki, if from now on, try to deliver your ideas in a way that is more easily understood by members of Brain Meta. To avoid conflicts between yourself and other members.

Both parties are at fault here. Enki should have been more considerate to the topic at hand, moderators should not have been so heavy handed with their moderation.

You obviously didn't see all of the crap that he had the greatest intent to fit into topics whether it was relevant or not. If moderators can't try to keep topics tidy and relevant then what is their role? It takes time to moderate and we all have a limited amount of that stuff.

I can't remember the Enki Enki post that you refer to. I don't believe that I deleted any Enki Enki posts but who knows, one only has a limited capacity to remember crap, especially when I have had to deal with PMs and emails also. It ought not have been posted anyway as he has been banned. Posting as Enki Enki just serves to illustrate how determined he is to post his stuff whatever even the boss (Shawn) decides.

Those who think they can moderate better should take on the role, but also then ensure they spend sufficient time on BM to deal with things as they arise.

I doubt he would keep his input only to topics he creates and he would soon begin to pollute other topics. If we are to keep a serious forum here we need to prune out spam quickly and as ruthlessly as it appears. Otherwise we will just waste our time reading lengthy and irrelevant material to get to the good stuff, or fritter time away moderating when we should be inputting to the topics.

It's not my forum, I just try to make contributions with topics and comments, and moderate on some boards. But I would spend much less time here if the Enki rubbish is allowed to interfere with the proper material. I like a joke as much as the next person, but there is a limit. Anyway, that's enough time wasted - again!

[PJS]

Where is the post Enki Enki made earlier this morning? Who deleted it? It was not spam and was relevant so I want an answer.

This is what I think should happen. Enki should apologize for offending his fellow brain meta members, his posts should be restored and all placed into their own topic if anyone wishes to read them. (Assuming posts CAN be restored?)

Enkis account should be reinstated on the condition that he try to keep his information relevant. If he wishes to dicuss the holographic universe then Enki I ask you to create your own topic about it and discuss it there.

Clearly some of the members of brain meta are very upset. I do not know the full details. I am sure you did not intend to upset the community but it appears some of your posts have.

So I would ask that in the future if you could show the members how your post is relevant to the topic when posting, that would be greatly appreciated and you would get along with everybody much better. People would also pay more attention to your ideas.

I do not agree with deleting posts of a long time member of Brain Meta without moving them to their own separate topic. If it were me, I would have moved the posts and left them intact for further investigation. Destroying evidence on Brain Meta makes it more difficult for everyone.

It does no great harm to simply move the posts to their own topic rather than delete them. I am sure at the time the moderators were simply trying to resolve a situation that they were very unhappy about. I would ask that in the future you move any questionable posts of any long time member to their own topic -- rather than delete them.

I do not think that members of brain meta who have had their posts deleted, such as Enki and Joesus, were intentionally trying to maliciously spam. Their delivery method may have at times been poor, but I do think their intentions were good.

So I would ask you Enki, if from now on, try to deliver your ideas in a way that is more easily understood by members of Brain Meta. To avoid conflicts between yourself and other members.

Both parties are at fault here. Enki should have been more considerate to the topic at hand, moderators should not have been so heavy handed with their moderation.

You obviously didn't see all of the crap that he had the greatest intent to fit into topics whether it was relevant or not. If moderators can't try to keep topics tidy and relevant then what is their role? It takes time to moderate and we all have a limited amount of that stuff.

I can't remember the Enki Enki post that you refer to. I don't believe that I deleted any Enki Enki posts but who knows, one only has a limited capacity to remember crap, especially when I have had to deal with PMs and emails also. It ought not have been posted anyway as he has been banned. Posting as Enki Enki just serves to illustrate how determined he is to post his stuff whatever even the boss (Shawn) decides.

Those who think they can moderate better should take on the role, but also then ensure they spend sufficient time on BM to deal with things as they arise.

I doubt he would keep his input only to topics he creates and he would soon begin to pollute other topics. If we are to keep a serious forum here we need to prune out spam quickly and as ruthlessly as it appears. Otherwise we will just waste our time reading lengthy and irrelevant material to get to the good stuff, or fritter time away moderating when we should be inputting to the topics.

It's not my forum, I just try to make contributions with topics and comments, and moderate on some boards. But I would spend much less time here if the Enki rubbish is allowed to interfere with the proper material. I like a joke as much as the next person, but there is a limit. Anyway, that's enough time wasted - again!

I have a suggestion. Why not state in the opening remarks of a thread that it is a discussion built on authoritative remarks and innovation is not permitted. Then innovative ideas that come from authoritative discussion can find a place in a forum on bm of its own. Innovation is not necessarily spam because it is found frequently in an unwanted place in my opinion. Where this seems to be the greatest 1st offense neither member or moderator should have to apologize for comfort sake. Thank-you.

[maximus242]

I understand that you are angry Hey Hey. Alls I asked is that in the future, instead of quickly deleting posts of a member who has been here for years, that you just move them all into one topic. It requires no more effort than to delete them, you only have to press one button.

PJS, im not really sure what you are saying, I cant tell if you are for or against Enkis posts.

My main concern Hey Hey is this problem has come up before with Joesus' posts who in my opinion was not spamming but had his posts deleted anyways.

Brain Meta has always been about freedom of ideas. I just dont like that we are now telling people what is right or wrong to contribute to a discussion. I dont like this moderation of ideas and opinions.

People should be allowed to say whatever they want so long as its not destructive.

If they are swearing, cursing, insulting, yes those things need to be moderated. Remember though that both you and Trip have had some very strong opinions of other members and have voiced them freely without moderation or censorship.

If you dont like someones posts you can always skip over them. You see its hard to tell what anything is given that all of the posts in question have been deleted. Enki might have been radical but so were many of our greatest thinkers. Some of the most influential people in history were stifled brutally, I just dont see how we can promote advancement of knowledge and intelligence through telling people what they can and cant say in a discussion.

Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? Are we gods now? Science presumes that it is never 100% correct yet here we are promoting only one way of thinking. We might as well be a religion.

[lucid_dream]

I would like to add my 2 cents. Joesus was never banned. In fact, I greatly appreciated his posts because it offered an interesting perspective that is rarely encountered in real life.

It is hard to justify keeping Enki's posts though, since they were, to almost everyone except Enki, ludicrous and lacked merit. His posts are largely intact here for the sake of posterity. The ones deleted by moderators are gone for good, though, and I trust that the moderators had quality control and other good reasons for the deletions. His account has been locked. To my knowledge, he is still browsing brainmeta through an anonymous proxy service, and is free to create a new account and post relevant content.

Whether Enki's posts constitute spam is still an open question. But that brings up the question of what sort of quality control to enforce here. Some quality control is necessary. It warrants further discussion perhaps.

[PJS]

I understand that you are angry Hey Hey. Alls I asked is that in the future, instead of quickly deleting posts of a member who has been here for years, that you just move them all into one topic. It requires no more effort than to delete them, you only have to press one button.

PJS, im not really sure what you are saying, I cant tell if you are for or against Enkis posts.

My main concern Hey Hey is this problem has come up before with Joesus' posts who in my opinion was not spamming but had his posts deleted anyways.

Brain Meta has always been about freedom of ideas. I just dont like that we are now telling people what is right or wrong to contribute to a discussion. I dont like this moderation of ideas and opinions.

People should be allowed to say whatever they want so long as its not destructive.

If they are swearing, cursing, insulting, yes those things need to be moderated. Remember though that both you and Trip have had some very strong opinions of other members and have voiced them freely without moderation or censorship.

If you dont like someones posts you can always skip over them. You see its hard to tell what anything is given that all of the posts in question have been deleted. Enki might have been radical but so were many of our greatest thinkers. Some of the most influential people in history were stifled brutally, I just dont see how we can promote advancement of knowledge and intelligence through telling people what they can and cant say in a discussion.

Who is to say who is right and who is wrong? Are we gods now? Science presumes that it is never 100% correct yet here we are promoting only one way of thinking. We might as well be a religion.

Enki uses language that only a few may know. That may seem innovative to the rest lacking understanding.
There are other ways to be innovative too. If in a designated "non-innovation" thread an involved question is asked the member may say yes or no and give a brief explanation. Then "for more detail in the forum Innovative Ideas under the topic (LHC Enki thinks the world of the world!) I invite all comments.", just for example. If bm had an appropriate place like that to do business here.

[Trip like I do]

It's not my forum, I just try to make contributions with topics and comments, and moderate on some boards. But I would spend much less time here if the Enki rubbish is allowed to interfere with the proper material. I like a joke as much as the next person, but there is a limit. Anyway, that's enough time wasted - again!

.... as one of the main targets of enki's endless abuse I agree 110% with that. There is no doubt in my mind that there ever was any positive intention to contribute beneficially towards the growth of bm. If he is allowed here and to post I will no longer contribute as I do not want any part of anything his clinical remarks are a part of! Maximus simply has no idea to the extent of damage that that user was trying to create here over the past little while as he simply has not been visibly active here for some time now.... not that I can remember at least! Trust me, I am all for free speech.... but not veiled threats of terrorism and physical harm! If I we're to ever walk by this person in the real world and after years of listening to his insulting remarks I am sure that some painful physical experiences would ensue! A jokes a joke, but the joke ended a long time ago with this clinical cat! I challenge anyone here to actually comprehend and make sense of some of the non nonsensical (RTB'ish) sounding posts that were being made. I honestly do believe that they are one and the same metal patient that resides in a mental facility in downtown toronto! And I've been here long enough to make such a statement! We've all seen the numerous persona's that this person has created and polluted various threads with over the years! Enough was enough and a decision had to be made and the right one was made rest assured there max!

[maximus242]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

[PJS]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

Issue warnings including a last warning before deletions or more serious action to be taken per thread.
1) Please do not be too personal with your remarks. This now applies to all your further posting priviledges.
2) This is your 2nd and last warning not to be too personal in your remarks. The next offense will be deleted. Any further offense and posting priviledges will be terminated.

The above for example. There may be the need of a complaint first perhaps.

[Trip like I do]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

Issue warnings including a last warning before deletions or more serious action to be taken per thread.
1) Please do not be too personal with your remarks. This now applies to all your further posting priviledges.
2) This is your 2nd and last warning not to be too personal in your remarks. The next offense will be deleted. Any further offense and posting priviledges will be terminated.

The above for example. There may be the need of a complaint first perhaps.

(not to insult, but as an example).... and how many posts have you contributed to the growth of BM thus far? Or, would that now be considered a personal remark!

.... thanks for your contributions thus far

[code buttons]

Alright now! Let's all take a deep breath and be done with it. Enki's fiasco is behind us and over with. He has been officially banned by Shawn and that's enought for me; as it makes it official that his precense is no longer welcome here, no matter what he calls himself; so I will act accordingly as moderator. At least until told oterwise. If you are not familiar with the fiasco's history, read up on it by following his posts. Your 2 cents are welcome, but not necessary any longer.

[Trip like I do]

Hey now, I am all for equality and for certain guidelines as long as they are sensible, not to say that pj's idea aren't (or are), and are transparently enforceable equally! I think this forum needed an event like this to open up and create back and forth dialogue towards the potential future directions and safety issues in corresponding openly and honestly here at bm, both on a personal level (at times, yes it does occur) and on a professionally intellectual level!

[GodConsciousness]

I tend to agree with Maximus that the free expression of ideas ought to guide BM and yet I am also aware of some the issues of Enki's posts referred to by Trip and Hey Hey. There does seem to be a yearning for attention on Enki's part (I am not sure how to understand the purpose behind many of his posts otherwise). Whether to feed the yearning is part of the issue it seems to me. Moderators simply don't have the time or desire to wade through endless diatribes that are largely vacuous. Confusing greatness with the desire for attention may be a matter of debate, but the contributions of moderators such as Trip and Hey Hey are simply too significant to risk losing their desire to participate because another member wants to hijack the spotlight.

[code buttons]

I tend to agree with Maximus that the free expression of ideas ought to guide BM and yet I am also aware of some the issues of Enki's posts referred to by Trip and Hey Hey. There does seem to be a yearning for attention on Enki's part (I am not sure how to understand the purpose behind many of his posts otherwise). Whether to feed the yearning is part of the issue it seems to me. Moderators simply don't have the time or desire to wade through endless diatribes that are largely vacuous. Confusing greatness with the desire for attention may be a matter of debate, but the contributions of moderators such as Trip and Hey Hey are simply too significant to risk losing their desire to participate because another member wants to hijack the spotlight.

I agree 100%. Thank you sir, GC!

[Hey Hey]

Can I suggest that Shawn or a moderator lock this topic now (I don't moderate here). There is a ton of good stuff to read and contribute to elsewhere on the forum. IF E wants to post under his alter-egos by creating other topics then let him. Then we can ignore him at our heart's content, or not, as the case may be. But if he flames, I WILL delete wherever I can and I would hope other moderators do the same. On to better things .. ?

[Trip like I do]

Can I suggest that Shawn or a moderator lock this topic now (I don't moderate here). There is a ton of good stuff to read and contribute to elsewhere on the forum. IF E wants to post under his alter-egos by creating other topics then let him. Then we can ignore him at our heart's content, or not, as the case may be. But if he flames, I WILL delete wherever I can and I would hope other moderators do the same. On to better things .. ?

let's not be too hasty here hey hey.... refer to my post above! This is my thread and I have the ability to lock it but feel dialogue may be good, a way to mentally cleanse ourselves from recent maniacal diatribes!



.... not open, creative and intellectual dialogue!

[PJS]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

Issue warnings including a last warning before deletions or more serious action to be taken per thread.
1) Please do not be too personal with your remarks. This now applies to all your further posting priviledges.
2) This is your 2nd and last warning not to be too personal in your remarks. The next offense will be deleted. Any further offense and posting priviledges will be terminated.

The above for example. There may be the need of a complaint first perhaps.

(not to insult, but as an example).... and how many posts have you contributed to the growth of BM thus far? Or, would that now be considered a personal remark!

.... thanks for your contributions thus far

I thought it was quality not quantity although the fact that you and several others have posted so much quality that it is admirable of you.

[Trip like I do]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

Issue warnings including a last warning before deletions or more serious action to be taken per thread.
1) Please do not be too personal with your remarks. This now applies to all your further posting priviledges.
2) This is your 2nd and last warning not to be too personal in your remarks. The next offense will be deleted. Any further offense and posting priviledges will be terminated.

The above for example. There may be the need of a complaint first perhaps.

(not to insult, but as an example).... and how many posts have you contributed to the growth of BM thus far? Or, would that now be considered a personal remark!

.... thanks for your contributions thus far

I thought it was quality not quantity although the fact that you and several others have posted so much quality that it is admirable of you.

so.... under your proposed rule would what you just said and what I said be considered personal comments or remarks?

[Hey Hey]

Hmm, well my main concern was we were having a repeat of the incident with Joesus.

However, given that Rhymer, Hey Hey, Trip, Lucid Dream and Code Buttons all have problems with Enkis posts, that to me signals we are looking at something different.

You are correct that I have not been posting recently, I do check the forum fairly often, whether as a guest or user. I have been very busy lately though so I havent posted much.

Well if this is the way you all feel about it I suppose theres not much left to say. Whether Enkis posts were spam or not I cannot personally say, however given that so many feel so strongly about it, it is rather serious.

Does anyone have suggestions for quality control guidelines for the forum?

Issue warnings including a last warning before deletions or more serious action to be taken per thread.
1) Please do not be too personal with your remarks. This now applies to all your further posting priviledges.
2) This is your 2nd and last warning not to be too personal in your remarks. The next offense will be deleted. Any further offense and posting priviledges will be terminated.

The above for example. There may be the need of a complaint first perhaps.

(not to insult, but as an example).... and how many posts have you contributed to the growth of BM thus far? Or, would that now be considered a personal remark!

.... thanks for your contributions thus far

I thought it was quality not quantity although the fact that you and several others have posted so much quality that it is admirable of you.

so.... under your proposed rule would what you just said and what I said be considered personal comments or remarks?

As we're continuing ... was that remark PJS said a nicety or sarcasm? I just can't decide. That's the trouble when you're sensitised.

[Trip like I do]

exactly!

[Hey Hey]

Can I suggest that Shawn or a moderator lock this topic now (I don't moderate here). There is a ton of good stuff to read and contribute to elsewhere on the forum. IF E wants to post under his alter-egos by creating other topics then let him. Then we can ignore him at our heart's content, or not, as the case may be. But if he flames, I WILL delete wherever I can and I would hope other moderators do the same. On to better things .. ?

let's not be too hasty here hey hey.... refer to my post above! This is my thread and I have the ability to lock it but feel dialogue may be good, a way to mentally cleanse ourselves from recent maniacal diatribes!

I give no argument to your cleansing idea. But I must say, I get the feeling that there is more dirt to come.