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One man's mission to create a living mind inside a machine.

Professor Henry Markram, a doctor-turned-computer engineer, announced that his team would create the world's first artificial conscious and intelligent mind by 2018.

Tens of millions of euros are flooding into his laboratory at the Brain Mind Institute at the Ecole Polytechnique in Lausanne - paymasters include the Swiss government, the EU and private backers, including the computer giant IBM. Artificial minds are, it seems, big business.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...l#ixzz0bzAVjfRR
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Artificial intelligence will surpass human intelligence after 2020, predicts Vernor Vinge, a world-renowned pioneer in AI, who has warned about the risks and opportunities that an electronic super-intelligence would offer to mankind.

"It seems plausible that with technology we can, in the fairly near future," says scifi legend Vernor Vinge, "create (or become) creatures who surpass humans in every intellectual and creative dimension. Events beyond such an event -- such a singularity -- are as unimaginable to us as opera is to a flatworm."

"The Singularity" is seen by some as the end point of our current culture, when the ever-accelerating evolution of technology finally overtakes us and changes everything. It's been represented as everything from the end of all life to the beginning of a utopian age, which you might recognize as the endgames of most other religious beliefs.


While the definitions of the Singularity are as varied as people's fantasies of the future, with a very obvious reason, most agree that artificial intelligence will be the turning point. Once an AI is even the tiniest bit smarter than us, it'll be able to learn faster and we'll simply never be able to keep up. This will render us utterly obsolete in evolutionary terms, or at least in evolutionary terms as presented by people who view academic intelligence as the only possible factor. Because that's how people who imagine the future while talking online wish the world worked, ignoring things like "Hey, this is just a box" and "What does this power switch do?"

There's no question that technology is progressing at an ever-accelerating rate - we've generated more world-changing breakthroughs in the last fifty years than the entirety of previous human history combined. The issue is the zealous fervor with which some see the Singularity as the end of all previous civilization, a "get out of all previous problems" card which ignores the most powerful factor in the world: human stupidity.

We've already invented things which would have been apocalyptic agents of the devil by any previous age. We can talk with anyone all around the world, and we use it to try to sell insurance. We tamed light itself in a coherent beam utterly unseen in nature, and use it to throw very sharp, very complicated rocks into other people's heads. We built an insanely complex computer web spanning the planet, and use it to pretend to be Nigerian.

Of course we use it for good things as well but those who think the invention of artificial minds will end our idiocy are far overestimating their abilities. We turned production line processing, international economics, world-spanning transport and professional design tools into "Billy The Singing Sea Bass" statues at 19.99 retail. An AI would have to be Terminator Jesus to even begin to change our tune. If an AI ever does exist, it's going to wonder why it's being asked for new ways to try to sell Cialis without using the word "penis" or "Cialis".

Pretty much every prediction of when the so-called "Singularity" will come depend on constant increases - ignoring how, for the first time ever, we are actually reaching the limits of what can actually be done. This isn't the idiotic "the world is flat" limits that we sailed past (and back around again) once someone grew the balls to try it, these are actual factual "you can't build it any smaller because atoms are only so big". Of course we're going to overcome those, because we're awesome, but trying to timetable it is like writing a schedule for imagination.

So whatever you think the Singularity is, it's going to happen. No question. Entire international panels have been set up to study the potentially lethal effects of certain advances, but no-one would dream of stopping research - and even if they did they couldn't stop other people. But don't be surprised when the main result of artificial intelligence research isn't a utopian society or utterly authentic sex-bots, but the fact your spam filter doesn't work anymore.
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Hey Hey   One man's mission to create a living mind inside a machine   Jan 07, 2010, 06:53 PM
Rick   "The idea is that by building a model of a re...   Jan 11, 2010, 01:06 PM
Hey Hey   "The idea is that by building a model of a r...   Jan 11, 2010, 03:08 PM
Rick   The money will be gone forever. A good time was ha...   Jan 11, 2010, 03:23 PM
Trip like I do   .... metaphorically, the internet acts as a living...   Jan 11, 2010, 07:40 PM
Rick   Conscious or unconscious?   Jan 12, 2010, 12:45 PM
Trip like I do   that's a good question   Jan 12, 2010, 01:24 PM
Rick   The mind of the vending machine in the break room ...   Jan 12, 2010, 02:10 PM
Trip like I do   rick you are being narrow minded if you are sincer...   Jan 12, 2010, 02:15 PM
Rick   I thought I was making the point that unconscious ...   Jan 12, 2010, 05:20 PM
Trip like I do   yes.... but you also seemed to miss that I was spe...   Jan 12, 2010, 06:31 PM
Rick   Oh darn.   Jan 13, 2010, 01:32 PM
Trip like I do   Oh darn. haha.... good 1   Jan 13, 2010, 02:37 PM
Trip like I do   rick.... if you we're to pick between newton...   Jan 13, 2010, 06:35 PM
Rick   Mine.   Jan 14, 2010, 09:00 AM
Trip like I do   .... but that is simply not an option found with t...   Jan 14, 2010, 12:17 PM
Rick   Hey, come on, think outside the box! Given th...   Jan 14, 2010, 03:50 PM
Trip like I do   Hey, come on, think outside the box! I'l...   Jan 14, 2010, 05:15 PM
Rick   I prefer Einstein. He had a few centuries of thoug...   Jan 14, 2010, 05:46 PM
Trip like I do   .... in all honesty and with all things being rela...   Jan 15, 2010, 03:06 PM
Rick   Maybe it will turn out to be the biologists who fi...   Jan 15, 2010, 03:34 PM
Trip like I do   Maybe it will turn out to be the biologists who f...   Jan 15, 2010, 04:59 PM
Rick   Well, we don't want our artificial minds runni...   Jan 16, 2010, 04:53 PM
Trip like I do   are robots like us.... as computer programs become...   Jan 31, 2010, 04:42 PM
Rick   Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusio...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:14 PM
Trip like I do   Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusi...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:19 PM
Hey Hey   Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illusi...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:22 PM
Trip like I do   Let's hope they will suffer from fewer illus...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:24 PM
Rick   Thinking that they are of supreme importance at th...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:27 PM
Trip like I do   but.... if they are to become as intelligent as hu...   Jan 31, 2010, 05:49 PM
Rick   You're implying that human folly is inevitable...   Jan 31, 2010, 07:34 PM
Trip like I do   so be it.... however, in humans cognitive mistakes...   Jan 31, 2010, 08:46 PM
Trip like I do   .... have you ever heard of piaget's A not B e...   Jan 31, 2010, 09:17 PM
Trip like I do   Artificial intelligence will surpass human intelli...   Jan 31, 2010, 11:35 PM
Trip like I do   robonaut2 nasa The robot, called "R2...   Feb 04, 2010, 11:02 PM
Rick   Good links. Thanks.   Feb 05, 2010, 12:16 PM
Trip like I do   http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/422819main_r2_1...   Feb 05, 2010, 01:27 PM
Trip like I do   http://photos3.hi5.com/0119/193/338/qgUKK4193338-0...   Feb 07, 2010, 07:58 PM
Trip like I do   http://photos2.hi5.com/0118/266/057/rOsHJj266057-0...   Feb 07, 2010, 07:59 PM
Trip like I do   [img]http://photos2.hi5.com/0118/266/057/rOsHJj26...   Feb 15, 2010, 02:11 PM
Rick   Someday robots will be better athletes than people...   Feb 08, 2010, 08:50 AM
Trip like I do   my answer.... not a chance!   Feb 08, 2010, 03:13 PM
Rick   I know how to make a robot today that can beat any...   Feb 08, 2010, 03:19 PM
Trip like I do   I don't believe that for 1 second.... too many...   Feb 11, 2010, 06:06 PM
Rick   Someday somebody will build it because it's po...   Feb 11, 2010, 06:11 PM
Trip like I do   you are right rick, anything is possible..... in a...   Feb 15, 2010, 02:03 PM
Rick   you are right rick, anything is possible..... in ...   Feb 15, 2010, 04:46 PM
Hey Hey   A robot could never pull a face like Beckham. He r...   Feb 15, 2010, 02:15 PM
Trip like I do   lol.... I knew the fellow compatriot would have to...   Feb 15, 2010, 02:28 PM
Hey Hey   lol.... I knew the fellow compatriot would have t...   Feb 15, 2010, 03:53 PM
Trip like I do   what I like about the 1st picture is the fact that...   Feb 15, 2010, 03:58 PM
Hey Hey   what I like about the 1st picture is the fact tha...   Feb 15, 2010, 04:12 PM
Hey Hey   Do you play soccer regularly trip? Any particular ...   Feb 15, 2010, 04:14 PM
Trip like I do   Do you play soccer regularly trip? Any particular...   Feb 15, 2010, 06:00 PM
Hey Hey   Frank Pollick: One day we will play football with ...   Feb 15, 2010, 05:04 PM
Trip like I do   the sponsors of RoboCup dream of fielding a team ...   Feb 15, 2010, 06:05 PM
Hey Hey   [quote name='Hey Hey' post='107421' date='Feb 15,...   Feb 15, 2010, 06:15 PM
Trip like I do   that's awesome.... hillarious too! beat t...   Feb 15, 2010, 06:20 PM
Hey Hey   that's awesome.... hillarious too! beat ...   Feb 15, 2010, 06:28 PM
Hey Hey   Speaking of "bots" here's another te...   Feb 17, 2010, 06:52 AM
Trip like I do   1,000 days does seem relatively quick!   Feb 18, 2010, 09:49 PM
Trip like I do   supercomputing the brain the bluebrain project h...   Feb 20, 2010, 03:11 PM
Rick   It's a lot of hype.   Feb 21, 2010, 06:49 PM
Trip like I do   yes.... lets hope so bro!   Feb 21, 2010, 08:54 PM
maximus242   One day it will happen, it is a question of when. ...   Feb 22, 2010, 01:05 AM
Zippie02   thanks, that helped me a lot! regards, ...   Mar 05, 2011, 01:57 AM
Trip like I do   http://sync.sympatico.ca/news/space_robots...lamou...   Mar 05, 2011, 09:29 AM
Zippie94   thanks, that helped me a lot! regards, ...   Mar 07, 2011, 11:40 PM
Trip like I do   thanks, that helped me a lot! regards, ...   Mar 08, 2011, 07:21 PM
astroidea   So does this mean we have already figured out the ...   Mar 09, 2011, 10:18 PM


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