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post Dec 07, 2009, 05:41 PM
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Time to plan for the next war (you know the one after Afghanistan)

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post Dec 07, 2009, 06:42 PM
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Falk no! Not worth it!
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post Dec 07, 2009, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Dec 07, 2009, 09:42 PM) *

Falk no! Not worth it!

fer falk sakes code buttons.... now that was a good 1, very well applied
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post Dec 07, 2009, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Dec 07, 2009, 06:47 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Dec 07, 2009, 09:42 PM) *

Falk no! Not worth it!

fer falk sakes code buttons.... no that was a good 1, very well applied

Bout falkin time I get one right! I've been on a spelling black hole for the last, let's see... When did I finish High School!
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post Dec 07, 2009, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Dec 08, 2009, 03:01 AM) *

QUOTE(Trip like I do @ Dec 07, 2009, 06:47 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Dec 07, 2009, 09:42 PM) *

Falk no! Not worth it!

fer falk sakes code buttons.... no that was a good 1, very well applied

Bout falkin time I get one right! I've been on a spelling black hole for the last, let's see... When did I finish High School!
You finished high school? Well falk me, oil have to tell everyone.
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post Dec 08, 2009, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 07, 2009, 11:41 PM) *

You finished high school? Well falk me, oil have to tell everyone.

I have a college degree, mind you! And funny enough, I was a good enough speller in collage.
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post Dec 08, 2009, 10:11 AM
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About 6 months ago there was a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. This is out of context, but this is the actual question as asked. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer, how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground." Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together."

The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April ('08) that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big. It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since '95) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota ; western South Dakota ; and extreme eastern Montana



The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.



'When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea..' says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst.



'This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years' reports, The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.' And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada . For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end. Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves.... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels. And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!



That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight.



That was TWO YEARS AGO!



U. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!



Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006



Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels. On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling?





They reported this stunning news: We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth. Here are the official estimates:



- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia

- 18-times as much oil as Iraq

- 21-times as much oil as Kuwait

- 22-times as much oil as Iran

- 500-times as much oil as Yemen

- and it's all right here in the Western United States .



HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?



James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped. That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post.


http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
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post Dec 08, 2009, 11:03 AM
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HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY?

I think it's probably more our goverment's greed than anything else. It's human nature, the more of something good you have, the more you hold on to it till the other's run out. It sounds more like a logistics strategy.
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post Dec 08, 2009, 01:37 PM
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"... Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil!"

Not true. Environmentalists only block environmentally stupid ways of extracting oil such as offshore drilling and in national parks and wildlife preserves. On the contrary, it's the big oil lobby and rabid conservatives who have blocked efforts to become independent by blocking legislation to encourage renewable energy resources and to tax carbon burning.
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post Dec 08, 2009, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Dec 08, 2009, 09:37 PM) *
wildlife preserves.
Everywhere's a wildlife preserve to somebody. And nobody wants to be a nobody, so everybody must be a somebody. Anybody will tell you that. Thus .... everywhere IS a wildlife preserve! So how do we abstract oil? From underneath? And then stay there? Oil is available energy and materials, and its environmentally careful abstraction from anywhere is essential, beneficial and possible. And then all the environmentally safe rest, that is sound usage, recycling, carbon capture, disposal, etc will complete the circle, until it runs out. That gives us plenty of time to develop other energy methods and to live a great life meanwhile. Let's just do it! (Same applies to natural gas and coal!)
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post Dec 08, 2009, 05:37 PM
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Carbon capture, like clean coal, doesn't exist.
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post Dec 09, 2009, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Dec 09, 2009, 01:37 AM) *

Carbon capture, like clean coal, doesn't exist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8311286.stm
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post Dec 09, 2009, 12:29 PM
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There are a number of objections.

1. Carbon capture takes more energy so you have to burn more coal to get the same amount of net energy so you destroy more of the environment mining or removing mountaintops.

2. Carbon capture has not been demonstrated. It could have severe long term environmental impacts for the health of the oceans.

3. Given enough time the C02 will emerge from the oceans. Some models show there could be runaway cataclysms in the future and then we'll really be screwed.

4. Money spend building carbon capture facilities will be better spent on clean energy.
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post Dec 09, 2009, 12:42 PM
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There are a number of objections.

1. Carbon capture takes more energy so you have to burn more coal to get the same amount of net energy so you destroy more of the environment mining or removing mountaintops.

2. Carbon capture has not been demonstrated. It could have severe long term environmental impacts for the health of the oceans.

3. Given enough time the C02 will emerge from the oceans. Some models show there could be runaway cataclysms in the future and then we'll really be screwed.

4. Money spend building carbon capture facilities will be better spent on clean energy.

Can I point you here for the very positive signs and evidence: http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/sccs/

It might be early days, but considerations have been very encouraging and several R&D teams think that it could be advanced very rapidly.

I'm not sure what you mean by clean energy, for carbon capture would provide clean energy. If you mean renewable then:

What do you do when the wind stops? And what cost storage of gales? These should be taken in a wide context (not just wind) and storage from clean energy often has serious technological, environmental and financial implications.
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post Dec 09, 2009, 12:44 PM
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By the way, it's not always associated with ocean storage. See: www.biochar.org.uk
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post Dec 10, 2009, 01:52 PM
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It seems that those "controversial" emails are ten years old and consist of climate scientists arguing over minutiae of tree ring data, so it's a right wing distraction at best. Now, the real concerns about sea levels rising surface:

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/10-4
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