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compcoll4000
post Aug 12, 2009, 03:22 PM
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I found a neurofeedback psychologist in the Chicago area. I have gove for 15 sessions and she still can't get it right I don't think. I am so disgusted and mad. I spent good money that I can't afford hoping this would help me. I see no difference before or after. I saw this on TV and found it on the internet. It is just a bunch of hype. It is definitely not an exact science. It can make a person worse. I felt suicidal quite a few times after doing the neurofeedback. I am at my wits end. I keep on thinking why even try anymore. Everything I try never does any good. I am warning people to stay away from neurofeedback. It is not the miracle it promises to be. It is just a so called specialist experimenting on you. If someone knows something I don't then email me at compcoll4000 At Yahoo
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post Aug 12, 2009, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(compcoll4000 @ Aug 12, 2009, 07:22 PM) *

I found a neurofeedback psychologist in the Chicago area. I have gove for 15 sessions and she still can't get it right I don't think. I am so disgusted and mad. I spent good money that I can't afford hoping this would help me. I see no difference before or after. I saw this on TV and found it on the internet. It is just a bunch of hype. It is definitely not an exact science. It can make a person worse. I felt suicidal quite a few times after doing the neurofeedback. I am at my wits end. I keep on thinking why even try anymore. Everything I try never does any good. I am warning people to stay away from neurofeedback. It is not the miracle it promises to be. It is just a so called specialist experimenting on you. If someone knows something I don't then email me at compcoll4000 At Yahoo


curious what you were hoping neurofeedback to help you with- suicidal thoughts?
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post Aug 13, 2009, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(GodConsciousness @ Aug 12, 2009, 04:59 PM) *

QUOTE(compcoll4000 @ Aug 12, 2009, 07:22 PM) *

I found a neurofeedback psychologist in the Chicago area. I have gove for 15 sessions and she still can't get it right I don't think. I am so disgusted and mad. I spent good money that I can't afford hoping this would help me. I see no difference before or after. I saw this on TV and found it on the internet. It is just a bunch of hype. It is definitely not an exact science. It can make a person worse. I felt suicidal quite a few times after doing the neurofeedback. I am at my wits end. I keep on thinking why even try anymore. Everything I try never does any good. I am warning people to stay away from neurofeedback. It is not the miracle it promises to be. It is just a so called specialist experimenting on you. If someone knows something I don't then email me at compcoll4000 At Yahoo


curious what you were hoping neurofeedback to help you with- suicidal thoughts?

I was hoping it would help with my anxiety, stuckness, depression. I have heard of people using it to improve their mental performance. After 15 sessions I feel no difference whatsoever. I actually feel more depressed then when I started. They charge a lot of money for it not to work. I am so pissed off about spending the money I did on this garbage. And the initial testing is a joke. They go through this testing acting like they can tell what will help you. Another rip off is all it is.
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post Aug 17, 2009, 07:31 AM
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Hi Compcoll4000,

To better get an idea of what it is you're talking about and to better help others out thinking about this therapy could you tell us...

Was the person a registered psychologist (i.e. APA)?
What exactly did the therapy consist of?
What did they tell you would happen?
What was the evidence they gave you for it being an effective therapy?
How did they say the therapy would work?
Have you done any research yourself on this therapy?

Thanks.
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post Aug 17, 2009, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE(Orbz @ Aug 17, 2009, 07:31 AM) *

Hi Compcoll4000,

To better get an idea of what it is you're talking about and to better help others out thinking about this therapy could you tell us...

Was the person a registered psychologist (i.e. APA)?
What exactly did the therapy consist of?
What did they tell you would happen?
What was the evidence they gave you for it being an effective therapy?
How did they say the therapy would work?
Have you done any research yourself on this therapy?

Thanks.


The doctor is a licenses psychologist. The therapy consisted of neurofeedback. It was me hooked up to electrodes and viewing different video protocols. She said it would help with the depression, the anxiety, and my decision making. She said she trained me with a bipoloar protocol after I was extremely depressed from the other protocols. The bipolar protocol did not help. There is a lot of inofrmation online of neurofeedback therapy. To me it is a bunch of garbage. I researched this doctor and though she was an authority. Well I guess I was fooled once again into hoping something would help me.
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QUOTE(compcoll4000 @ Aug 18, 2009, 01:02 AM) *

The therapy consisted of neurofeedback. It was me hooked up to electrodes and viewing different video protocols.

This is quite vague, I'm not familiar with neurofeedback but I'm interested in finding out why a psychologist would use it. Could you elaborate a little more on this?

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There is a lot of inofrmation online of neurofeedback therapy. To me it is a bunch of garbage. I researched this doctor and though she was an authority.

Is there any scientific evidence for neurofeedback's efficacy as used by the psychologist you saw?
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post Aug 19, 2009, 07:14 PM
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[quote name='Orbz' date='Aug 18, 2009, 08:13 PM' post='103698']
[quote name='compcoll4000' post='103686' date='Aug 18, 2009, 01:02 AM']
The therapy consisted of neurofeedback. It was me hooked up to electrodes and viewing different video protocols. [/quote]
This is quite vague, I'm not familiar with neurofeedback but I'm interested in finding out why a psychologist would use it. Could you elaborate a little more on this?

[quote]There is a lot of inofrmation online of neurofeedback therapy. To me it is a bunch of garbage. I researched this doctor and though she was an authority.
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Is there any scientific evidence for neurofeedback's efficacy as used by the psychologist you saw?
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She has been doing neurofeedback for 6 years she says. I just tink it is not an exact science. You are having to go in for several sessions and it is playing with what can help your brainwaves. It is very frustrating. It is expensive. There is scientific evidence that it works. I have yet to see that. I am continuing with it even though I am pissed off for even starting it. It has been a waste of time so far. I just hope it eventually does something to help me.
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post Aug 24, 2009, 05:14 PM
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I am here to share some good thoughts for you guys. I know this really can help. This is about choices for healing - body, mind, spirit.
Create Your Health (CYH) is designed to inspire and give you choices regarding improving your life – physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Each episode will introduce you to a particular therapeutic tradition and demonstrate what a treatment within that practice is like. Check out their website createyourhealth. com and discover several alternative health practices and take charge of your life to be able to live pain free again - no drugs and no surgeries.
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post Aug 27, 2009, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(jennydrea @ Aug 25, 2009, 09:14 AM) *

I am here to share some good thoughts for you guys. I know this really can help. This is about choices for healing - body, mind, spirit.
Create Your Health (CYH) is designed to inspire and give you choices regarding improving your life – physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Each episode will introduce you to a particular therapeutic tradition and demonstrate what a treatment within that practice is like. Check out their website createyourhealth. com and discover several alternative health practices and take charge of your life to be able to live pain free again - no drugs and no surgeries.

What does this have to do with neurofeedback?
Thanks for the spam.
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post Sep 15, 2009, 06:15 AM
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Although I sceptical in some ways myself of some of the uses of neurofeedback, there are clear positive results in many people. It has been used effectively particularly in individuals with ADHD. However, nothing is 100% effective. Neurofeedback takes a lot of time and effort. In short you have to train yourself to think differently, which is obviously difficult.
Things like this are always a risk, I'm afraid. I'm sure no-one would say it would definately work, because that simply isn't true.
Its also particularly difficult, one would imagine, for people who are having problems engaging in activities, concentrating and focusing- in short, people with depression or anxiety would probably find this very difficult...

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post Sep 15, 2009, 10:58 AM
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Get yourself to radioshack and build you own biofeedback devices. I am guessing you could get something pretty descent rigged up for about $30. I am no expert, but I saw a major red flag in your post, the term "psychologist". Hiring a psychologist is like hiring you Mom to help you out, only your mother would likely be more helpful and loving (and cost a whole hell of a lot less). My advice is to become your own psychologist. No need to pay someone else to read a few books when you can do it yourself. Then get yourself a good support network of friends that you can talk stuff out with and vent.
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post Nov 27, 2009, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(compcoll4000 @ Aug 12, 2009, 03:22 PM) *

I found a neurofeedback psychologist in the Chicago area. I have gove for 15 sessions and she still can't get it right I don't think. I am so disgusted and mad. I spent good money that I can't afford hoping this would help me. I see no difference before or after. I saw this on TV and found it on the internet. It is just a bunch of hype. It is definitely not an exact science. It can make a person worse. I felt suicidal quite a few times after doing the neurofeedback. I am at my wits end. I keep on thinking why even try anymore. Everything I try never does any good. I am warning people to stay away from neurofeedback. It is not the miracle it promises to be. It is just a so called specialist experimenting on you. If someone knows something I don't then email me at compcoll4000 At Yahoo


Sorry to hear your treatment has been unsuccessful. Did your therapist do a QEEG (quantitative EEG) prior to treating you?
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post Jan 08, 2010, 10:14 PM
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I'm long time sufferer from PTSD, insomnia, mild depression, brain fog
too much violence and suffering in my past
first learned meditation--have done this for last 15 years--works decent
around 4 years ago learned about nootropics--work for brain fog, depression
insomnia and PTSD remained
in 2009 started using a god helmet--corrected PTSD within a few weeks
a few months ago started using transcranial electric stim--corrected insomnia 100%

keep at it and you will find the nirvana you seek
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QUOTE(compcoll4000 @ Aug 12, 2009, 03:22 PM) *

I found a neurofeedback psychologist in the Chicago area. I have gove for 15 sessions and she still can't get it right I don't think. I am so disgusted and mad. I spent good money that I can't afford hoping this would help me. I see no difference before or after. I saw this on TV and found it on the internet. It is just a bunch of hype. It is definitely not an exact science. It can make a person worse. I felt suicidal quite a few times after doing the neurofeedback. I am at my wits end. I keep on thinking why even try anymore. Everything I try never does any good. I am warning people to stay away from neurofeedback. It is not the miracle it promises to be. It is just a so called specialist experimenting on you. If someone knows something I don't then email me at compcoll4000 At Yahoo



I am in no way trying to advertise here but have been doing NF for five years, am BOARD CERTIFIED and have had extremely good results. I have been in the medical field for over 30 years. Remember it is not a cure, it is regulation of the brain and it depends on what your symptoms are. If it is anxiety, depression and/sleep disorders than the addition of biofeedback is critical. Did you get a brain map or quantitative eeg and was it thorough and analyzed. Did you do your homework when you chose the provider. With the exception of board certification there are no standards for NF. People learn from intro sessions from the system they purchase. There are clinicians out there who never do more than that. Then there are others who are extremely advanced in their training and education. Some systems are incredibly complex, others very simple. The more experienced the clinician, the more likely you will receive a brain map prior to beginning along with a medical history intake and or standardized testing as needed. The educational background of the clinician is important. Typically those in the counseling field do not have any science background in college. Understanding neuro-anatomy and physiology is extremely important. If you aren't in the right place for the symptoms and training at the right frequency reward or inhibit you won't get the results you were hoping. If you don't take care of all of the other things in your life the results will not be what you anticipated. I tell my clients, children and adults, "This is not brain control", you have to play your part. I honestly have never had anyone not have a good outcome when they were committed and willing to do their part. Again, your clinician might be very good and you may not have done the things that you needed to help make the changes occur. I don't know from your post. I would say don't give up on this approach, it is a very viable means of treatment.
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post Nov 21, 2012, 07:41 AM
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Dikkat Eksikliği tedavisinde Neurofeedback Terapisi hakkında Nöroterapist Dr. Bora Küçükyazıcı’nın bir makalesini buldum:

Dikkat eksikliğine bağlı sıkıntı yaşayan kişi sayısı gün geçtikçe artış göstermektedir. Dikkat eksikliği sıradan bir dalgınlık değil, tıbbi testler ile tanısı konulan bir bozukluktur. Dikkat testleri ile elde edilen bilimsel veriler, dikkat eksikliği ve hiperaktivite bozukluğunda tanı konulmasında uzmanlara yol göstermektedir. Son 20 sene içinde Dikkat Eksikliği ve Hiperaktivite Bozukluğu tanısı konulan çocuk sayısında ciddi artış gözlenmektedir. Bunun sebebi, 20 sene öncesine kadar bu rahatsızlığın daha az gözlenmesi değil, günümüz tanı koşullarının ve uygulanan test sistemlerinin gelişmiş olmasındandır. Neurofeedback yöntemi ile, dikkatin odaklanması ve odaklanılmış dikkatin sürdürülmesi becerilerini geliştirmek mümkündür.

Dikkat Eksikliği ve Hiperaktivite Bozukluğu tanısı, özellikle çocuk ve ergenlerde, uzman çocuk ve ergen psikiyatristi tarafından konulmalı ve tedavisi ilgili uzman doktor tarafından düzenlenmelidir. Amerikan Pediatri Birliği’nin Aralık 2011’de yayınladığı DEHB Tedavi Kılavuzunda, tanı ve tedavi uygulamasının 4 yaşından itibaren başlatılması gerekliliği ön planda tutulmaktadır. Zira çocuk çağında 4 yaşından itibaren bu rahatsızlığın tanısının konması mümkün olduğu gibi, tedavi konusunda izlenecek yeni ve farklı birçok alternatifler gelişmektedir. Çocuğun dikkat düzeyi ve dikkat derinliği, öğrenme sürecinde çok önemlidir. Çevresinden doğru mesajları alması, bu mesajları doğru yorumlaması ve öğrenme sürecinde bu mesajları kullanması için, dikkat süreci eksiksiz çalışmalıdır. Eğer aile çocuğunda dikkat eksikliği sorunu olduğunu fark etmez ya da gerekli tedaviyi doğru uzmanlardan almaz ise, çocukta okul eğitim-öğretim sisteminde anaokulundan itibaren akademik sorunlar yaşanabilir. Neurofeedback terapisi, dikkat eksikliğinin tedavisinde tıp hekimlerinin uyguladığı bir tedavi yöntemidir.

Dikkat Eksikliğine Bağlı Belirtiler


Çocuklar genel olarak aktif, meraklı ve heyecanlıdırlar. Dikkat Eksikliği olan çocuğun ailesi adına bazen çocuklarında böyle bir sorun olduğunu kabul etmeleri kolay olmaz. Aileleri en çok yanıltan ise, çocuğun saatlerce televizyon izleyebilmesi ya da bilgisayar oyunları oynuyor olmasını, dikkatiyle ilgili bir sorun olmadığı yönünde değerlendirmeleridir. Dikkat Eksikliği ve Hiperaktivite Bozukluğu sorunu olan çocuklar, kendi istedikleri şekilde televizyon izlerken ya da bilgisayarda oyun oynarken bir sorun yoktur. Bu rahatsızlıkta beynin etkilenen bölgesindeki değişimlere bağlı olarak, çocuğun kendi istediği bir aktivitede ve çocuğun istediği zaman diliminde dikkatini toplamasında problem yoktur. Sorun, dikkatin özellikle yönlendirilmesi gereken bir konu olduğunda dağılmasıdır. Sınıf ortamı, ders dinlenmesi, ev ödevlerinin yapılması, bir spor aktivitesinde takım oyuna uyum gibi konularda, dikkatin özel olarak toplanması gerektiği anlarda, dikkat eksikliği ortaya çıkmaktadır.

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