What God is is a Title? Then who is God? Options

[Phi]

Who said it bothers me that people share it...I encourage it. I'm quite confused how you derived that

[P.j.S]

Who said it bothers me that people share it...I encourage it. I'm quite confused how you derived that

God cares. He is Jealous of His title as God. Why shouldn't He be? He is the One that can truly create and satisfy our potential.

Hint: When you speak it is good as inperfect persons to try and encourage other things too like pleasant speech. don't forget. I am imperfect as well and quickly tempted to use sarcastic wit to make scriptural priciple points at others expense. I appreciate those people who watch what they say to me so that I may not be tempted to bite that way when I make my replies okay?

Remember your own advice which is coo! btw, Moderation in all things. you know the rest.

Peter

[Phi]

uhhh, I don't try to gauge what I say because it is that persons free will to interpret. The more you share, the more I learn, the more I interpret, the more I respond, the more we all learn and possibly create something better in the end.

We're created in gods image....doesn't necessarily that he is bound by emotion. In fact, the more I see and learn, the more I see how pointless selfishness is. If selflessness is closer to god, why should such an entity(which I don't view as a concept that exists as remotely close to human existence) have an emotion like jealousy. If he did, then why not create people do work for him which would in turn make the job exponential and have even more chance for expansion. Or that god is loving enough to share the privilege? Or is god bored and wants to see what happens.

Like I said, I don't care because I can't prove any one of those things...I don't speak with him directly. But with those options as ideas of mine, I would take advantage of the fact that I get to create....and that's what I think all religions are interpreting when related to the point of existence

[P.j.S]

uhhh, I don't try to gauge what I say because it is that persons free will to interpret. The more you share, the more I learn, the more I interpret, the more I respond, the more we all learn and possibly create something better in the end.

We're created in gods image....doesn't necessarily that he is bound by emotion. In fact, the more I see and learn, the more I see how pointless selfishness is. If selflessness is closer to god, why should such an entity(which I don't view as a concept that exists as remotely close to human existence) have an emotion like jealousy. If he did, then why not create people do work for him which would in turn make the job exponential and have even more chance for expansion. Or that god is loving enough to share the privilege? Or is god bored and wants to see what happens.

Like I said, I don't care because I can't prove any one of those things...I don't speak with him directly. But with those options as ideas of mine, I would take advantage of the fact that I get to create....and that's what I think all religions are interpreting when related to the point of existence

Jesus said that all things are possible with God. Also in the Bible which says many things about God, that He will open His hand and satisfy the desires of every living thing under paradise conditions. I know a person named SPITSTARS on another forum. He was working on his own theory about galaxies. I was trying to help him with some different form of gravity at the time. Others too were involved in his discussions.

The point being is that everylasting life is a very long time. I hope that SPITSTARS will be there getting the education of a lifetime building a galaxy of his own! Wow! Wee! But God is in the process of getting rid of uncontolled chaos now so that people's really big projects like that won't be harmed or destroyed after they're made. It would be a lot of hard work getting an education like that. God already knows how that feels about people and won't let it happen to others again after He cleans this mess up first.

That's why He is Jealous of His Godship and name so much. There is nobody else like Him. It is self respect. He is not jealous of what you have but He may be very Jealous about what you don't have.

He made people for exmple and doesn't want poeple hurting one another. He has used Bible education to serve as an educational work to help people to stop doing just that. Hurting one another i mean.

Peter

[catseye]

Pondering a few points in this thread...

The three kings that attended to the birth of Christ were not lead to Herod, they were met by a shepherd of whom asked of their travel. That shepherd took this info to two guards who then infomed Herod of the news. These 3 Kings were good and Holy men, to make them out to be a devils advocate is untrue and deceptive.

The JW bible is not the Scripture realized by the ancient scrolls and is re-written according to what is preferred by the leaders of that organization. To rewrite history is a Sin, and a tactic often used by those that wish to perpetuate a leadership that controls the masses and not release them to the Glory of God.

When Moses asked "what is your Name?", God said "I Am that I Am. In proper translation this is understood as "I am that which I Am Becoming" As God is always expanding in the true definition of Glory - he is beyond that which is stagnate. To keep a "name" is a distinct character of stagnation. This is why there is no name in scripture or scroll of God. God will not conform to mans limited consciousness but draws the spirit of man to his expanding eternity.

The 111 thing...does not symbolize the Trinity. The Trinity is symbolized by geometry not numbers. The upper Triangle represents God- the infinite, The Son- us, and The Holy Spirit- the combined life of us all, Christ consciousness. The lower Triangle represents man- body, mind and feeling. Put together we have the Star of David.

Birthdays, Christmas, Easter etc..are the designate points for us to "celebrate" Life.
To celebrate life is paramount to prayer, gratitude and worship. To that which has given us Life- God.
The dates are disputed and are probably wrong in the idea of the birth and death of our Christ- more important though is our willingness to prosper these and give ourselves the joy of Glory that God has bestowed upon us.

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I have awakened in Thy shelter, O my God,
and it becometh him that seeketh that shelter
to abide within the Sanctuary of Thy Protection
and the Stronghold of Thy defense.

Illumine my inner being, O my Lord,
with the splendors of the Dayspring of Thy Revelation,
even as Thou didst illumine my outer being
with the morning light of Thy favor.

baha'i prayers - bahá'u'lláh

[P.j.S]

I do paraphrase in conversational quality. That is not a sin. Fore what is said should be able to be readily verified. Otherwise people would have no latitude to express themselves properly.

I did not discuss conspiracy amony the three wise men and Herod nor call into question Their innocense.

Mathematically speaking 111 is geometrical. 1*1*1 (multiplying forces) is 1 bigger line and force from three equal lines previously. But 1/0 = 0/0 = 1. 1 is raised to the ground physically. Ground is legal grounds also. Or multiplying forces against 0 with the geometrical 1 from 111. 1*0 = 0/0 = 1 (nothing physically again) Do you really know what you're speaking about in math? Physically 1/0=0 and 1*0=0. The Universe is gone. But relax. God said that His Footsool the Earth will never be made to Totter even if it means eliminating the moon to wake us up I suppose. But perhaps God will keep the moon and just get rid of the wicked forces. The Bible says that He is going to one way or another.

I Am. What I shall prove to be I shall prove to be. I Am has sent you. (This is not a direct quote) There are no quotation marks. If you want to be specific and your not sure what I'm saying is true then the responsibility is on you to look it up and learn for yourself.

People looking for flaws in my speech are not in harmony with me. This is not a competition for me. I am not aspiring to be a Supreme God on this site. That is forced upon me due to the number of times that I post. Yet people looking for flaws in my speech are in harmony with me because they love me if they love the truth themselves. I do know know everything either. I am only 48 years old. There is only the one way to God which is Jesus Christ because all true prophesy is based on that one. He prophesied himself. Don't you think that he is now concerned about seeing that he is not a liar for the people living now in the time that he prophesied about? No Doubt.

P.j.S : PJS : P.J.S.

[catseye]

'P.j.S' post='102378' date='Jun 20, 2009, 09:12 AM']

I did not discuss conspiracy amony the three wise men and Herod nor call into question Their innocense

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post #30 -June 18, 2009 pjs quote:

The Star that was unusual led the wise men to King Herod who gathered intelligence from these ones and on his own initiative had all the children two years and under killed in an attempt to dispose of baby Jesus the future King to be in Herod's mind as well. So who provided the star for that activity? God? Probably. But not the one that Jehovah's Witnesses worship.

People looking for flaws in my speech are not in harmony with me

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nor do you seem to be in harmony with yourself...

This is not a competition for me.

Then why bring up idea?? There is no competition just dialog.

I am not aspiring to be a Supreme God on this site. That is forced upon me due to the number of times that I post.

meaningless... it's a fun way the admin put together the forum, nothing more- ...

Yet people looking for flaws in my speech are in harmony with me because they love me if they love the truth themselves.

Love Truth...not personal interpretation.

There is only the one way to God which is Jesus Christ because all true prophesy is based on that one.

True prophesy??? One way?? oh bull...Jesus was endowed with the Christ and taught how we are all to become learned toward this consciousness. He was a Light- the Teacher- and the disciples after him.
He taught many and with many philosophies but never taught prejudices to only know him- but God.
This is what bothers me about certain religions. Your in hell if you don't follow "their" curriculum.
This concept is what created devastation and war among the people of the earth and is the advocate of the dark forces plan to destroy the soul of man.
The many people of the world who know love, truth and personal responsibility are cherished by God as much as you are- whether or not they know or practice his (Jesus) "image"
God created ALL life, all people, all things. And all will follow Him without reserve as we cannot do any other but know our creator and follow that which created us. All of us...

He prophesied himself. Don't you think that he is now concerned about seeing that he is not a liar for the people living now in the time that he prophesied about? No Doubt.

P.j.S : PJS : P.J.S.

He prophesied the second coming - not himself- read carefully...this second coming is the combined consciousness of all of us with the Christ and God. The day of realization.
He also said that we will do greater things than even he.

[P.j.S]

Thank-you for your comments Catseye, Phi and others.

[Joesus]

Let's say there were 18 killed in Jesus day for the sake of the discussion. They died. If they were to change into differing insects because of the deeds of their past life, who decides what insects that they should each be? There is at least chance, god of luck, coincidence, planning (God of Order), god of chaos, god of destiny, predestination, probability, superstition.

The evolutionary process of the soul does not digress from human to insect. The concurrent forms are developed from the desires (thoughts) initiated in the previous lifetime. There is no coincidence, only natural law, cause and effect. There is always only expansion never digression regardless of whether belief and interpretation says otherwise.

By the way for your information Time and unforeseen occurrences befall all. These do not have to be just death dealing circumstances only. But other timely incidents like a tower falling on a few people by probability because it had fatigued and collapsed when innocent passers-by were in the wrong place at the wrong time for it. The tower could not call out I'm falling Look Out Below! But when it was built it was known that it could probably fall down sometime. That would be not unthinkable. It didn't have to be necessarily a fall that killed anything when it fell if ever. Like humans, animals or insects.

There are no coincidences. The life expectancies of the material world are not random but fixed according to the construction and the materials. All things considered, nothing is created out of randomness and chaos. Everything is perfectly organized including the superstition of organized religion. There is no thing that is without purpose and separate from God.

At another time Joe and Jim arrive at the local Coffee Shop at the same time although the visit was an unplanned surprise for each other. If they both lived nearby then this would be more likely to happen. If they rarely ever talked to each other then it probably be less likely of an occurrence. Reasonable conclusions.

Reasonable to the ignorant and superstitious, and reasonable to the awakened, knowledgeable, conscious individual, would be two different interpretations. In the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus told his disciples of how they would betray him after waking them from their sleep and reprimanding them for their laziness in falling asleep, rather than to stay immersed in communion with the absolute spirit with him during the hours spent in the Garden. Following his arrest his predictions came true.
There are no coincidences.

Unless God builds the house it is to no avail that the workers have worked hard on it. You see it probably won't last as long as it would if the God of Order had helped build it.

God is in everything and so everything is of God

Seek righteousness, seek meekness, probably you may get saved in the day of Jehovah's burning anger.

God does not burn with anger. Anger is of the human ego.

(Here I just actually remembered the scipture. I am putting here to show how far apart my conversional quality is to actual recordings.) Zephaniah 2:3, 3 seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.

King James Version:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. Aramaic Bible: Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth, execute justice; seek righteousness and meekness; perhaps you may find refuge in the day of the Lords anger.
The Old Testament is full of prophetic idealism. Much of it dramatized to create an effect.
The anger referred to is not really an emotion but the natural law of cause and effect. It is the Justice referred to in the Aramaic text. knowledge of the Self and the laws of creation.

It would truly probably be strict superstition to reason otherwise.

It would be superstitious to reason without the direct experience of the unconditional Love of God, the spirit within ones self and the awareness of the mechanics of creation

Likewise as you condemn other religions for this way of doing things, it is just a way for the rich of the caste system to wield power over the poor people making them believe that they did something earlier in another life to deserve this poor disadvantaged way of life now being experienced by them and that they better be good while in that state or the next life could be worst for them. (you could be a dead bug on a rich person's car windshield. That's just sick somehow isn't it?)

Like I said Karma doesn't take a human and make them into something less. Life progresses always. Digression is a state of mind not a state of God. Only the ego creates such illusion.

Sidhartha recognized in principle this sort of reasoning if my memory about reading about him is working right. This serves to make the populace severely superstitious indeed about their impossible previous or next life resulting from this way of teaching about what happens to a person after they die.

One would have to reject the ridiculous idea of becoming a bug obviously because it is not true. Gautama Buddha taught the same doctrine of reincarnation as Jesus did.
Like you said, there is nothing new under the sun. The teachings of Jesus were not original to Jesus, they are found in scripture written thousands of years before his arrival on this earth 2000 years ago.

The Bible teaches that man and animal have the same eventuality when they die. They are both unconscious after that. Those reasoning persons alive know that they will die. How superior this advice is. Even in the caste system it cannot be avoided knowing that a person is going to die just the the Bible says it would be!

Everything of the material will change and has its time just as the materials of any building have a lifespan. This is why Jesus spoke of the Triune nature of man, and focused primarily on what was everlasting, which was the spirit. God the Father which is the unmanifest absolute, God the Soul which is the reflection of God and the voice of God and God the Son, the manifestation of God. The real manifestation being the Christed or fully awakened individual Self aware of the One. The Real Man is the trinity of Atma-Buddhi- Manas, which has nothing to do with the flesh. Atma is Spirit as is the Buddhi taught in Buddhism, but the Buddhi in Buddhism refers to the reflection of the Spirit, the spirit being unmanifest and the manifestation of that being more active in expressing the omnipresence of Spirit. Manas being the mind (not to be confused with the fleshy material in the skull called the brain) which directs the projections of Self in the reflections of what is called manifest reality, according to how the Higher Self or Buddhi expresses itself in varying degrees of vibration. Matter appears solid at lower frequencies of vibration and appears to the low vibration of human egoic thought as dense and heavy. That is really an illusion for if you were to look into the atoms which make up matter you will find there is nothing other than 99.999% empty space. In reality there is no impure manifestation only the illusion of impurity where the ego, lost in ignorance of its Self, thinking itself separate from God as a separate entity, and hasn't the awareness of its own nature, or where it ignores its nature for the belief in circumstance, randomness, personal idealism, and feels itself victim to some power which is both benevolent and vindictive in nature. But that is just ignorance rather than Truth.
Actually humans have a septenary nature which is often reduced to a threefold idea:
1) The Body, or Rupa.
2) Vitality, or Prana-Jiva.
3) Astral Body, or Linga-Sarira.
4)Animal Soul, or Kama-Rupa.
5)Human Soul, or Manas.
6)Spiritual Soul, or Buddhi.
7) Spirit, or Atma,

God the spirit aspect of creation in all humanity does not cut of its own appendages and punish them for being something other than what they are. The appendage in its egoic idealism thinking itself something other than the whole never really gets away from the whole nor does it act out of accordance of the whole any more than your finger could on its own decide to leave your hand or take control of itself and act against the rest of the body. Religion has this kind of idea that humans having lost favor with God born separate from the whole must find some way to reattach themselves to the original body and become animated by the mind of the creator by performing some kind of penance or spiritual feat.

A wise parent is often amused rather than perturbed at the imaginings of the child who loses itself in fantasy crying in the dark and in fear of the boogerman. But often the parent cannot take the imaginings from the child if it insists the boogerman exists and is out to get them.

[Phi]

dancin with my se elf....oh oh oh oh

[P.j.S]

The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Otherwise, Jesus, did he not die? Where was his sin?

He was dead 3 days in a tomb. the sign of Jonah. This was sufficient before his Father ressurrected him again. Lazarus was dead 4 days before Jesus brought him back to life by means of Jehovah's life restoring power.

There is no immortality of the soul. Adam and the woman had perfect life unendingly and yet ended up dieing without having eaten from the Tree of Life. That tree was so important to continued everlasting life that two cherubs of God and a turning sword blocked the path to the Garden of Eden once the man and woman had been expelled.

Immortality of the soul is your fanciful dream of what you think life should be. The Scrptures do not teach the same thing.

[Phi]

do you take these stories literally? because if you do....you must certainly realize that many stories can be interpreted and related to the many stories of other religions. and if thats the case, what makes you so sure that you chose the RIGHT one.

honestly i think it's pathetic to take a religion literally....even those who teach their religions know better

[Joesus]

The soul that is sinning it itself will die. Otherwise, Jesus, did he not die? Where was his sin?

Nothing of God dies in the sense that you believe. Everything is a reflection of the one not a separate entity thrown out or manufactured separately of the one. Sin is misdirected thinking and it is not in itself a problem to the soul any more than stumbling is to a child learning to walk. You learn from it and expand experience and understanding from it.

He was dead 3 days in a tomb. the sign of Jonah. This was sufficient before his Father ressurrected him again. Lazarus was dead 4 days before Jesus brought him back to life by means of Jehovah's life restoring power.

The Flesh is a mirror of the astral body, it can easily be manufactured dissolved and re-manufactured as was demonstrated by Jesus and many saints and sages prior to Jesus and after Jesus, providing the soul has not abandoned the astral body.

There is no immortality of the soul.

You don't know your own soul.

Adam and the woman had perfect life unendingly and yet ended up dieing without having eaten from the Tree of Life.

The metaphor is that the body has a transitory life span and the Soul does not. When the mind immerses itself in the senses of physical reality it begins to age and die. When it remains connected to its source, that source is eternal.

That tree was so important to continued everlasting life that two cherubs of God and a turning sword blocked the path to the Garden of Eden once the man and woman had been expelled.

The Block was the ego, that block is easily removed through prayer/meditation and self realization.

Immortality of the soul is your fanciful dream of what you think life should be. The Scrptures do not teach the same thing.

Not your scriptures in the way you have interpreted them obviously. But then you have no interest in exploring anything outside or your own box and so there you shall remain. In your box.

[P.j.S]

do you take these stories literally? because if you do....you must certainly realize that many stories can be interpreted and related to the many stories of other religions. and if thats the case, what makes you so sure that you chose the RIGHT one.

honestly i think it's pathetic to take a religion literally....even those who teach their religions know better

How can you teach in your religion unless you can trust the Genesis account where the information about Adam and Eve are found leading up to the birth of the multitude that Noah preached to is taken from?

Jesus said that just as in the days of Noah so would those days of the Son of man prove to be. (I would I like to have the exact words here but I am forgetting them and also where they are found in the Bible. sorry!) The point being that Jesus referred to Noah as a real historical figure anf not just a myth. Jesus never corrected the things that that Moses as christ collectd in the first five books of the Bible from being just a myth because they were real.

Would Jesus prophesy a mythlike warning of his own later time to be? Not likely. He was strictly interested in saving lifes not confounding intellectuals at the time and thus everyone else in the future as so necessarily so anyway when intellectualism flourishes so much. But just like few getting saved in Noah's day compared to only a few in the last days as well from a huge global population is just sad! to contemplate.

[P.j.S]

Life started with time counting backward> 1 B.C.E > 1 C.E. onward to 1898.
Where does a cycle start in time? How many years backward from <1 B>C>E that way and how many years forward? To 1 C>E> that way? Does it divide evenly into two?

For eg. 4320000000 / 2 = 1/2 < this way ! BCE and 1/2 > this way 1 CE counting in time do you know haow many years to count backwards before it cycles again?

1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1 BCE > forward time 1 CE 1 2 3 4 5 5 4 3 2 1 > then what? 1 CE again? The year is 2009 now how much further does it go before counting backwards again in this cycle?

Surely such reincarnated ones would have this information at the ready if they have lived through it. 4320000000 yrs is a lot of time for an immortal soul to know things.
People are interested each year when the daylight saving hours are turned back and forth. Why not know when 2009 needs to be counted backwards now. What do you say Joesus?

what is the cycle of years? We know that man has lived longer than 2009 years. How about when you count backwards. With 1 CE and 1 BCE in what year did 4320000000 divide into two? Take 1/2 of that and subtract 2009 years means that there is how many tears left to count from 2009 before it cycles again. I imagine that the Jews would like to know atleast if not all mankind. Please furnish the correct answer.

[Joesus]

Please furnish the correct answer.

You need to look further than this type of thinking before you might comprehend any understanding.

How can you teach in your religion unless you can trust the Genesis account where the information about Adam and Eve are found leading up to the birth of the multitude that Noah preached to is taken from?

How can you trust any story unless you have a direct experience of it. The lawmakers of today seem to have a differing opinion of the U.S. Constitution and what it means. What makes a religionist an expert on the bible if that religionist does not have the same conscious awareness as that from which the accounts were spoken?
Just because a group of believers hold something to be relatively true does not make it so, anymore than believing the world was flat made it so.

Jesus said that just as in the days of Noah so would those days of the Son of man prove to be. (I would I like to have the exact words here but I am forgetting them and also where they are found in the Bible. sorry!) The point being that Jesus referred to Noah as a real historical figure anf not just a myth. Jesus never corrected the things that that Moses as christ collectd in the first five books of the Bible from being just a myth because they were real.

He referred to the days of Noah and he did not say when those days were or where they were, and the example laid against the days of the Son of man refer to something specific in evolution of consciousness and God awareness. But anyone can make up ideas as to what it means.

Would Jesus prophesy a mythlike warning of his own later time to be?

Would his parables be understood by a layman not of the same understanding of his knowledge and experience? Could someone of ignorance and without the same conscious awareness as a Christed individual hope to decipher the connotations of a Christed individual? Is any story the same story when it is passed down from one to another such as in a crime scene where several individuals describe the same thing in different words? Not likely.

He was strictly interested in saving lifes not confounding intellectuals at the time and thus everyone else in the future as so necessarily so anyway when intellectualism flourishes so much. But just like few getting saved in Noah's day compared to only a few in the last days as well from a huge global population is just sad! to contemplate.

Jesus had his awareness on spirit and was guided in each moment to prepare the seeds that needed to be planted that would flourish in the evolution of humanity. They are working at different levels and degrees just as the nature of growth is a constant in and amongst evolving human mores and idealisms.
What a first grader can absorb is available for the first grader and for the more mature individuals in soul progression the parables are easily deciphered thru Christed consciousness.
Those that struggle to make their level the only one are often stuck on an idea that is relative to their understanding rather than expanded into the greater picture of omnipotent potential and growth of the whole.
Jesus never struggled to save anyone from themselves, that was not his mission. With the powers he displayed it would be ludicrous to think he was limited in any way to change the world unless the world did not need changing but did need a timely infusion of fertilizer as would any owner of a Garden supply, or just as he would apply water to a thirsty plant.

[P.j.S]

You did not answer the question with facts and figures.

It is common sense that this is only 2009 CE and that years must have counted backwards before this particularly 1 CE. What about it then?

Jesus Spiritual awarenwss certainly was deep. Therefore to obey is better than a sacrifice. he arranged the door to door ministry revolving around that the Goods News that the Kingdom of God had drawn near.

Likewise today from the Bible, Christian Witnesses of Jehovah's Kingdom today proclaim from door to door that it has been Ruling since 1914 CE.

Should an individual know the teachings of Jesus regarding this Good News then what is holding them back from telling others and from preaching from door to door?

[catseye]

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 20, 2009, 08:20 PM' post='102405']
You did not answer the question with facts and figures.

It is common sense that this is only 2009 CE and that years must have counted backwards before this particularly 1 CE. What about it then?

What is the relevance to this? Why does it matter how we construct linear time to that of theological history?

Jesus Spiritual awarenwss certainly was deep. Therefore to obey is better than a sacrifice.

No. awareness does not = submission to fear
The sacrifice Jesus gave was to teach all men to overcome fear and embrace everlasting life.
"Not by my will, but thine" was an affirmation of choice not consequence of obeying.

he arranged the door to door ministry revolving around that the Goods News that the Kingdom of God had drawn near.

No. He arrange the true Church of which those who had ears to hear came to him. Not He or the Disciples went knocking on door to door but created a method to which others were drawn out to them as a congregation.

Likewise today from the Bible, Christian Witnesses of Jehovah's Kingdom today proclaim from door to door that it has been Ruling since 1914 CE.

Should an individual know the teachings of Jesus regarding this Good News then what is holding them back from telling others and from preaching from door to door?

the JW bible is not from the true scrolls....

Why then only 100,000? If only this many are to achieve Heaven than why bother recruiting anymore? I would think that by now - since 1914, a hundred thousand have been counted. How can you let false fear derail the true mission of Christ?
He came to share the word of God to the Jew and Gentiles by his own words, he protected the word of God in every action, he shared his life by example of discipleship, he made miracles to the wrong and the right.

[Joesus]

You did not answer the question with facts and figures.

You didn't ask a question with any relevance to anything real. No one counted the years before Jesus birth as BC, and if superstition persisted in designing some relevant ideal to births and deaths which the JW's don't acknowledge in the first place they might have some strange plan to start numbering years after what they believe is the second coming to 1BSC (before the second coming) and or 1ASC (after the second coming). The Ego comes up with some strange ideas about how to place itself between one moment to the next and how to plan for the future always thinking of it by using the past without every really being present in the now.
It's comical to think of Jesus saying to someone during his teaching at 30, "Take a note, on this day of our lord, (that'd be me) in the 30th year after my birth...."

It is common sense that this is only 2009 CE and that years must have counted backwards before this particularly 1 CE. What about it then?

It is a common usage to reference the years according to what was created by the ruling classes of the past and a convenience to prevent confusion for people who can't think beyond what was created in the past.

Jesus Spiritual awarenwss certainly was deep. Therefore to obey is better than a sacrifice. he arranged the door to door ministry revolving around that the Goods News that the Kingdom of God had drawn near.

He surrendered to Spirit which he told was easily found within EVERY individual if they but would turn the awareness inward and away from the isolation of personality separated from God in what is called the external egoic senses. He did not come to obey by any order or decree but to be a part of his spiritual destiny in the unfolding universe. If he hadn't been created someone else would have, but as there are no coincidences his destiny was included in the creation of his soul thousands of lifetimes before Jerusalem came to be Jerusalem. He did help to make it (his destiny) happen.

Likewise today from the Bible, Christian Witnesses of Jehovah's Kingdom today proclaim from door to door that it has been Ruling since 1914 CE.

They proclaim a lot of ridiculous superstition, and they also claim to be the chosen ones....But then so does every other organized religious zealot.
But in your case I guess referencing the year 1914 means Jesus wasn't as successful in leadership to have taken almost two thousand years to rule in death, rather than in life. But even more interesting there is no real history in the past of the JW's having any influence on State or country in any event on the Globe tho they do like to think like so many others that they stand out amongst the rest.

Should an individual know the teachings of Jesus regarding this Good News then what is holding them back from telling others and from preaching from door to door?

All individuals in their time will come to know the Christ within themselves and live the teaching as he taught it rather than to wait for death holding their breath due to some story of a jealous and vengeful God that does not love his children unless they perform like circus animals all the while hoping like hell they made it through the ringer of God's anger and judgment.
But honestly one who does not know God within and cannot know God in everyone else as did the Christed Jesus, can hardly know what God is or who each individual is in relationship to God and creation.

Here's some more prophetic ideas taken off of the web in the spirit of the upcoming movie 2012.

The Mayan Calendar

2012 gained the patina of doom with the best-selling 1966 book "The Maya" by Harvard archeologist Michael D. Coe. He noted that the Mayan culture's famously complex "Long Count" calendar simply ends on 12/21/12, speculating that civilization might come crashing down on that date. Other scholars argue, however, that the Mayan calendar would merely flip over like an odometer that reached 100,000 miles.

Galactic Alignment

Astrologers have also pointed out that during the winter solstice of 2012, the orbital planes of the solar system and the twelve Zodiacal constellations will intersect with the "Dark Rift" -- a black bit of the Milky Way located next to Sagittarius. Some argue this intersection is precisely why the Mayans -- who were brilliant astronomers -- ended their calendar when they did. But other astrologers believe that this conjunction will usher in a great shift in consciousness.

Timewave Zero

And then there's ounterculture thinker Terence McKenna whose Timewave Zero theory -- drawing off of elements from the "I-Ching," the teachings of philosopher Alfred North Whitehead, and modern fractal mathematics -- which determined that 12/21/12 is, you guessed it, the exact date of a profound change in world. Roughly speaking, the Mayans, astrologers and McKenna are all predicting global doom or the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

Sunspots and Pole Problems

So if the apocalypse is set just in time for holiday shopping season three years from now, how exactly will the world end? One theory that actually has some traction in the scientific community is that a solar flare will cause a sudden shift in the magnetic orientation of the Earth's poles, causing all kinds of planetary problems like volcanic eruptions and earthquakes. NASA is predicting strong solar activity around 2012 and there's evidence that the magnetic poles are slowly weakening, something that reportedly presages a reversal. Of course, most scientists think that this reversal will take centuries, not days, to occur.


Everybody get in line with their story so that humanity can come to some democratic decision just which disaster they choose to be real, how to panic, or prepare for it, and which God and organization of God they wish to wrap themselves with in order to get some relief from the impending eventuality of decreed Global prophesy.

Catholics got an in by the way, because you can wait until the last minute and just ask for forgiveness to be absolved of any wrongdoing or past sins and get yourself a nice spot in the holy land of heaven. So that means you just gotta beat the deadline.

[P.j.S]

Jesus was born in 2 BCE. not 1 CE and then count to now 2009 CE. why was that?

It is interesting that when you come to something that you're not sure of then you blame "ego" or "superstition". Could it not be that your ignorance comes from not understanding another who has been reincarnated with superior knowledge than you and who is trying to get you to wise up? Could it not be that you fail to recognize who your spirirtual brothers are who are superior to you in understanding life's ways?

Aren't all people reincarnated according to you? Or are some dealt with in another manner. Afterall what is the problem with Catholic's who have last minute confessions or Jehovah's Witnesses who preach from door to door if everyone is reincarnated? Not likely. Reincarnation does not fit well under the light of the Scriptures and a Bible based knowledge and understanding. It is repudiated by True Christians.

The diversity alone in people with their beliefs defeats reincarnation and your superior egotistical attidude toward other people not encompassing your belief. Your way of accounting for death is in grievious error. Jesus was only asleep in death for 3 days ever. He was raised up as King of the Jews designated by Pilate in three official languages at the time that he died and after 40 days further went to sit at the Right Hand of God waiting to be installed as Ruler of God's Kingdom after the end of the Seven Gentile Times had fully passed in 1914 CE. CE still in CE of forward time not back to BCE again.

The Apostle Paul preached with Christ Jesus' approval that if Christ had not been raised up then they (the preachers saying that Jesus had been raised up) were the most of men to be pitied.

Likewise the Devil does not know where Moses bones are hidden by God, indicating that Moses is still dead and in God's Memory. Daniel too was told that he would rise up at the end of the days for his lot but the Devil (wicked one) never worried about where his bones where hidden. Then Daniel is still dead as well. The end of Daniel's prophesy is just about fulfilled about the King of the North and the King of thr South. The end of days at least of which Daniel has to wait in the sleep of death before he is raised up for his lot.

There are things that you fail to take into account. You swipe them away as ego or superstition but perhaps more serious worshippers of God cannot afford to do that so easily in their case.

Deception is a tool of the wicked one. No one has ascended into Heavan but he who descended the Son of man. Jesus was the Son of man. Moses was not in Heaven. And the wicked one did not know where his bones were then hidden by God at that time of Jesus quite possibly. Moses was therefore dead and in God's memory not reincarnated into someone else.

[P.j.S]

The Bible Book of Genesis that Moses compiled to be written speaks of man's creation in the beginning as from the dust, of the ground. God created a body and God blew into his nostrils the breath of life and that one became a living soul. The very first man. But who was God? Gen. 2:7 says that it was Jehovah God that created the first man and named him Adam.

There were no people previous to this. Jesus' geneology is outlined in Matthew and in Luke. From this information counting backwards leads to Adam also a perfect son of God at the time of his being created. Christ Jesus was to be a corresponding sacrifice. The first man became imperfect and the "Last Adam" (1 Corinthians 15:45 should I not be mistaken) Christ Jesus was to offer up his perfect life as a man to pay as a ransom for imperfection and win life back from death, so that imperfect people could have the hope of everlasting life on earth again at a much later date, when?. Good Question.

Every dedicated Jehovah's Witness preaches now after the Kingdom of God has been set up in 1914 CE as did shortly before 1914. Such ones reveal to people that Jehovah God is the one who is the Most High over all the earth (Ps. 83:18). There is no mistaking this. Jesus said that the generation seeing these things will no means pass away until all these things occur (Matt. 24:14,34). These things were part of the signs of the conclusion of the system of things.

People still see evidence of people trying to rule themselves at the late date of 2009 CE. Does this mean that Jesus was incorrect or are we living in those last days mentioned at 2 Timothy 3:1-5?

Jesus said at Matthew 24:35 what would happen to his words that he was prophesying about the sign that his disciples asked him about in private. (Matt 24:3). <--Hint:look in this scripture to find out.

It was Jesus disciples who asked him. If you had a desire to want to know what that scripture said then you too may well be on your way to becoming a disciple of Christ Jesus if not one alraedy. Otherwise also read further on from Matthew 24:3 if you want too, to see all the words Jesus spoke there concerning the conclusion of the system of things and the indication of his presence (Matt 24:14). Words that would not pass away.

[Joesus]

You really need to spend some time studying all religions. But first it would be of help to Know God within before you will be able to understand the essence of what was written originally in the Scripture of the bible and where it came from before Jesus, and before it was divided and altered into so many churches, all of which claim ownership to original precedent.

[catseye]

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 21, 2009, 07:20 AM' post='102416']
But who was God? Gen. 2:7 says that it was Jehovah God that created the first man and named him Adam.

Gen. 2:7 King James

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Jehovah is not mentioned, and Adam is not mentioned by name until Gen. 2:19
....please try to be accurate or state from what source you are quoting from.

[P.j.S]

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 21, 2009, 07:20 AM' post='102416']
But who was God? Gen. 2:7 says that it was Jehovah God that created the first man and named him Adam.

Gen. 2:7 King James

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Jehovah is not mentioned, and Adam is not mentioned by name until Gen. 2:19
....please try to be accurate or state from what source you are quoting from.

Unless otherwise indicated, Bible quotations are from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.

As mentioned earlier please don't take all the conversational quality of my speech as word for word quoted scripture.

Joesus: You have said that there are no coincidences. So it is not a coincidence that the prophesied birth of Jesus was in 2 BCE and that was when Jesus was born on, 2 BCE.

Was it December 25, 2 BCE or not?

[catseye]

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 21, 2009, 08:19 AM' post='102420']


As mentioned earlier please don't take all the conversational quality of my speech as word for word quoted scripture.

Anytime that you state a quote from anyone or any source, be it religious or science or literature, you must be accurate, there is no place or forum or for that matter, person (except the empty minded sheeple's) that will accept "your translation" of what your stating without due resource and accuracy. Save yourself from undo hardship and just clearly state what your quoting.

Have you given yourself the freedom to read anything else in regard to scripture, or are you afraid that your "church" will excommunicate you for being free minded enough to learn or accept what was written by those who actually wrote.
If you have, what have you read? Did you find any truth in it?

How long have you've been a JW?

Are you sharing dialog here to convince yourself of what you know or to learn that which you are reading from Joesus?

Is it a coincidence that what you debate with him is a course to open your mind, or do you really think that you, who is 48 years old and stated that you don't know everything knows more than a man who is 102 ?

If you do convince that old stager to become a JW - I'll eat my Hat.....lol



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just in case :

old stag·er

(plural old stag·ers)
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U.K. experienced person: somebody with long experience in an activity

[P.j.S]

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 21, 2009, 08:19 AM' post='102420']


As mentioned earlier please don't take all the conversational quality of my speech as word for word quoted scripture.

Anytime that you state a quote from anyone or any source, be it religious or science or literature, you must be accurate, there is no place or forum or for that matter, person (except the empty minded sheeple's) that will accept "your translation" of what your stating without due resource and accuracy. Save yourself from undo hardship and just clearly state what your quoting.

Have you given yourself the freedom to read anything else in regard to scripture, or are you afraid that your "church" will excommunicate you for being free minded enough to learn or accept what was written by those who actually wrote.
If you have, what have you read? Did you find any truth in it?

How long have you've been a JW?

Are you sharing dialog here to convince yourself of what you know or to learn that which you are reading from Joesus?

Is it a coincidence that what you debate with him is a course to open your mind, or do you really think that you, who is 48 years old and stated that you don't know everything knows more than a man who is 102 ?

If you do convince that old stager to become a JW - I'll eat my Hat.....lol



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just in case :

old stag·er

(plural old stag·ers)
n
U.K. experienced person: somebody with long experience in an activity

Joesus from hearsay I am told that you are 102 yrs old. Blessings on your longevity regardless of your age presently!

The Truth is the Truth Catseye. Those hearing mere words can detect the trurh in them particularly when having trained with accurate knowledge. I have studied much but my memory does not let me recall my material readily. So I have to guard my conversational quality to reveal the truth based on Scripture from God's word the Bible and not deviate or mislead others from what is True. Therefore I openingly warn those engaging in listening to me to keep checking the Scriptures for themselves.

Everlasting life is an endurance run for each individual. Sharing truth is loving and therefore builds up a brotherhood. Anything else needs to be sifted out and the gentle reminders of adhering to truth given. This is so by the example of a fluencial speaker Apollos. He preached on the basis of the Baptizm of John the Baptist. But Aquilla and Priscilla (I'm quite sure these are the people) took Apollos into their care and taught him more correctly the advanced state of the truth revolving around the message of the Goods News of God's Kingdom. For the sake of his preaching to others and for his own personal upbuilding and well being too.

[Enki]

Christ Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Now the Lord of Ps.83:18 is somehow subordinate to His own son by this line of reasoning. Such a twisting of Scripture is not good. The proper name Jehovah should be put back in its proper places it logicly seems.

Dear Peter,

As you noted Mr. Lindsay quoted very interesting statement of Jesus Christ from the Bible:

It is interesting that in John 10:34 it is recorded: "Jesus answered, "It is written in your own Law (the Hebrew Bible) that God said, 'You are gods.' ..."

It is extremely interesting passage which tells that the person who said so had some knowledge about the concepts of the Consciousness Singularity.
But I want to add something more. Something extremely important and specific. I cannot not to add, you know Brain Meta is a miraculous forum, an exceptional on this planet. First of all please note that the Name of Jesus Christ as we all know it is today is not such in true, in true his name was Joshua (Jehoshua or Yehoshua) which in Hebrew means "Yahweh is Salvation". The name Jesus Christ is a later invention. I think it is extrimly important to mention.

His baptizer, who somehow led him to enlighten was John (HOVHAnnes) the Baptist as we know from the Bible. Then, possibly, when all events happened a group of people somewhere in the East decided to write the Gospel’s texts and to great surprise they Changed the Name Joshua="Yahweh is Salvation" to Jesus Christ possibly to co-sound with Zeus(Jesus) and Krishna (Christ) and Celtic God Hesus, why they did that is another question...(possibly to provide cybernetic and mnemonic diffusion of the religions...or redirect some of the so called energy or magic manna… whatever) but coincidentally the life story of Krishna and Christ as is described in New Testament 'miraculously' coincide one with another in many, many points... In computer terminology we can say thatmaybe some gentlemen Hacked the System. But possibly they utilized some elements of teachings of True Joshua="Yahweh is Salvation" and John (HOVHAnnes) the Baptist as well while merging it with legends about Krishna. In the Bible there is another very interesting passage which if to put along with what Mr. Lindsay quoted one can come to extremely simple and surprising tremendous conclusions:

Jesus Christ or True Joshua="Yahweh is Salvation" says the following: [previously it was typed 23 instead of 32, sorry] “Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

So as you see Joshua says that there is ONLY ONE BOSS, the rest are subordinate including the Son, so the Son is not Omniscient thus the Son is not God if God generally is considered to be Omniscient, the Son is just a Messenger, that what Bible tells. If to follow this EXTRIMLY OBVIOUS logic we can come to simple conclusion that the Christianity is a fake religion because Jesus himself says that he is not Omniscient, so he is not the God, while all Christian churches say that Jesus is God, while Jesus cannot be the God as he himself in his own New Testament says that he-Jesus is not Omniscient (see quote above). The other question is who is the God in that case and that is the matter of the main debates. But at the same time if we look at statement quoted by Mr. Lindsay from that point of view, then the logic of Jesus/Joshua remains quite uncertain along with the cross-quote from the Old Testament.
So maybe that is why they invented (appropriated from other religion) Trinity concept to solve the problem? But it looks like it does not work in our present era.

From that point of view Islam seems more candid religion, it considers the True Joshua="Yahweh is Salvation" as a messenger. Though there is another very specific peculiarity related with Islam: the matter is that the word Allah and word MagdAllah are very similar…Besides there is a another great question: who is the Gabriel? An Archangel, a Vampire, a Whereof ,a Wizard, a Sufi Qutub who plays God on distance talking with prophet in Remote Viewing regime etc? Question of Questions.

Within this frame please also note that though the
Throne of Jew Piter is situated over the Glory of the Caesars in Rome, but nonetheless the phrase
Throne of Jew Piter 'miraculously' sound very alike Throne of Jupiter.
And if there is no coincidences, then it means that Jupiter still dominates over the Holy Roman Empire, at least Cybernetically. If to suppose of course that God Jupiter was/is real Super Being.

Hope you have seen the first chapter of the movie called Zeitgeist (the first chapter about Gods) and you already noted that stories about them are very interrelated, possibly such synchronization can be explained by Fractal Stricture of Events in Time Retrospective or that there is something about our world we do not know well. Who knows maybe reality is synchronized through Shadow Time Gates Enigma 23/17, it sounds fantastic, but who knows, maybe Noise can travel in time and what we call Random is not Random from point of view of Super DMT Beings dominating the unknown Spheres of reality. Just some thoughts.

Or maybe we all are slaves of some Celestial Beings controlling humans on mental level by inserting into brains via languages certain Names of all those Gods and some Constructs - in true protocols of control in Astral Databases. Thus we come to the Matrix concept.

And now some comments related with Mr. Jehovah.
Coincidentally the English word HEAVens can be represented as EHVAens (this EWAN Almighty term is coined in the well known Movie), while the EHVA is very similar in pronunciation with YHVA, YHWH[a], Jehovah. That interesting coincidence, which should tell us something about that Name from religious point of view within frames of the Old Message carried in the word Heavens we use to mention Paradise. Besides the word EVA (Adam wife's name in some Roman languages) defers from EHVA just by one letter H, it is another very interesting coincidence, which if Mr. Jehovah really exists possibly heralds certain message to humanity from that Person. Besides that a part of the word Evangelic: Evan differs from word Evah just by a small element over the top of letter n, it is another interesting coincidence or message from Mr. Jehovah. The most interesting coincidental message was reported by Mr. Gregg Braden in his book The God Code: http://www.amazon.com/The-God-Code/dp/B001J6OR94 , I did not read his book yet but it states that

According to Braden's logic, the basic elements of DNA--hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon--directly translate into specific letters of the Hebrew alphabets (YHVA), which then translate into the original name of God.

The main Masonic Symbol made form letters A and V with letter G at the middle (A-compass, V-open book, G-God or Geometry) also can be related with word EHVA, because G is the 7-th letter of English Alphabet, 7 in Hebrew sounds sHiVA just like the name of the well known Hindu God, and what stands over that letter is the letter H the 8th letter (something higher in rank than G), in its turn 8 graphically is comprised from 33 (symmetric transposition gives 8), which as rumors tell defines one of the highest levels in Freemasonry, if we go up one level 34 we shall get again 3+4=7, thus letter G, so the circle of meanings is closed G is H and H is G. So the main Masonic symbol heralds the name HVA, what is the key letter E which converts that name to EHVA remains a great secret yet. And if Freemasons pay so much attention to that name, then it means that somehow the Grand Architectori somehow is related with Mr. HVA.
There are also many other very interesting regularities related with EHVA name e.g.:
George Washington (32 GeoWa)
George Walton Lucas (32 GeoWa)
George Walker Bush (32GeoWa)
etc.
And as you know Gnostics hate the God of Bible (at least I learned that from literature) calling him evil lord who created bad world etc.
But in Sumerian religion the Universe creator is called ANU and what is interesting is that ANU (Anu) and AHV(Ahv) in English look quite similar in appearance (the same logic of adding an element over letter n). Besides the symbol within the circle of Dr. Faustus is made out of letters HAV put one on another with some small additions, which is the Name of God protecting the one who is in the circle. There are many other very interesting and specific examples related with that Name but let me not to number them, the list is a very long list.

But can we be sure that Jehovah is the Main Omniscient Boss, Jesus Christ or True Joshua="Yahweh is Salvation" speak/have spoken about??? So this all remains a matter of faith, still. Gnostics say that the true Boss is goddess Sofia. I never met her personally but if they say so, then maybe in meditation state they see that lady and she talks with them and maybe that is why they think so. Personally I dislike Gnostics, because I feel that there is something wrong in them, I just feel some negative flow of something from their world perception. Whatever... I have nothing against Ms. Sofia, I just do not understand that specific logic of the Gnostics. When a DMT-creature percolated from world A to world B, then yes indeed it possibly can turn into a Frog, Spider, Potato, Tree, Stone or a Man and certainly the freedom to transform in the world B is very restricted (and that maybe can be considered as a great torture, I do not object), but does it mean that the one who made the world B is a malignant evil being? Maybe it is better to understand the plan of the one who created world B? I think it is more wise to do so, maybe something extremely reasonable stands behind that plan? Maybe mutual co-understanding can polish the sharp angels and stop that senseless war/resistance? Maybe there is something Gnostics do not understand well too? And who knows who Ms. Sofia is in true... is not it?

Who knows maybe there is a very simple way to prove who is the Main Omniscient Boss, but who knows the proof? That is the question. Or maybe there is something in structure of our world we still know nothing about. E.g. movie Underworld 3 actually depicts story that men are ruled by DMT-Vampires and DMT-Werewolves and actually Jesus is represented as Lucian and Maria Magdalena as doter of Victor, and who is Victor we possibly should guess. But that can be a true conspiracy against religion. There are movies where Gabriel is represented as Werewolf possibly because word God in reverse form sounds Dog and God Anubis is generally depicted in Dog-like (Jackal-like) way, etc. So we have very serious boiling of religious concepts at present times. Besides you also can pay attention to my following ruminations about our Matrix: http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=101349
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=101371
You see there are many interesting regularities and the matter cannot be handled by simple statements, in true we have very complex situation.

In Harry Potter movie the You know Whom once pronounce "I am a merciful Lord" so the movie makers make hint at God of the Bible as Malignant Wizard of DMT-Harry Potter world. So as you see Gnostics make all efforts to belittle the God of the Bible trying to represent him as evil as is possible. My recent observation indicate that some former Jewish people hate the God of the Bible too, it looks like it is a new tendency, to what consequences that neglect and hatered to Mr. Jehovah will lead we shall see from coming events, maybe.
In that view Jesus in frames of 'Miraculously' emerged Gospel of Judah is considered as a Gnostic alternative to the entire Jesus story. In contrary e.g. the Movie DOGMA (I AM GOD) expresses idea that God is lost somewhere and that Metathron handles the matter, the same is heralded in His Dark Materials and in Transformers movie where word Metathron is replaced by Megatron (malignant DMT-robot thirsty of power) and in some children cartoons he is replaced by Megabite personage. So there is a great process going around, many make great efforts having aim to kill Ego-human identity (the Self) and replace it by Consciousness Singularity - New Babylon Tower (in my opinion), when humans are just bio-robots executing the will of the Server Computer (or Server Computers) they consider themselves a part of and call it God. So they want to replace Variety by Unity, some sort of Insect Logic. I keep to point that Variety provides Quality, Security and Healthy Freedom. Variety is an important segment for providing Synergy.

So as you see there are a lot of things which should be researched. Hope I could cover some important aspects related with your very interesting ruminations which interested me much.

Regards,
Enki

PS: Btw people I noted that attached pictures on Brain Meta vanished, e.g. look here: http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=101373
Who is doing that Kids?

[Enki]

Are you sharing dialog here to convince yourself of what you know or to learn that which you are reading from Joesus?

Is it a coincidence that what you debate with him is a course to open your mind, or do you really think that you, who is 48 years old and stated that you don't know everything knows more than a man who is 102 ?

If you do convince that old stager to become a JW - I'll eat my Hat.....lol

Joesus from hearsay I am told that you are 102 yrs old.

Whau! Is it a joke guys?

[catseye]

ROFLMAO....

name='P.j.S' date='Jun 21, 2009, 09:23 AM' post='102422']


Joesus from hearsay I am told that you are 102 yrs old. Blessings on your longevity regardless of your age presently!

It's in his profile.

Therefore I openingly warn those engaging in listening to me to keep checking the Scriptures for themselves.

why not keep it correct to begin with- no warnings needed, I check anyway.

Anything else needs to be sifted out and the gentle reminders of adhering to truth given.

That's what I just did, thanks for recognizing it !

This is so by the example of a fluencial speaker Apollos. He preached on the basis of the Baptizm of John the Baptist. But Aquilla and Priscilla (I'm quite sure these are the people) took Apollos into their care and taught him more correctly the advanced state of the truth revolving around the message of the Goods News of God's Kingdom. For the sake of his preaching to others and for his own personal upbuilding and well being too.

I haven't read this....JTB was wrong? not advanced? but these two were? I'll go take a look at this "story".
Thanks.


Enki, that was great read !

[Enki]

Enki, that was great read !

I know.