What God is is a Title? Then who is God? Options

[P.j.S]

You didn't invent your principles yourself did you?

Some very simple principles:

Love: good.

Hate: bad.

I didn't invent water either, but I don't need to praise any water spirits when I'm thirsty and have a drink.

No but you know how to divide it into electrons. Wow!

Rick that is pretty good...for a start. I'm sure that there is more substance to you than that. For one thing you use few words but make them count. That's pretty efficient and likeable I must say.

Here's something for you if you didn't already know it, I mean. Hate can mean love less. But it is still love.
Leah was hated. It really means loved less than her sister. Otherwise hate can mean looking to do serious wrong to someone else. Not good as you might say.

However Jacob had many children with Leah. Her father would have no doubt guarded her interests if Jacob had been abusing her. Isrealite families were close then. And I hope that they are today as well.

Peter

[Joesus]

Birthdays are held in a bad light in the Bible.
In both cases someone lost their life.

That is a bad interpretation of the bible.

The Star that was unusual led the wise men to King Herod who gathered intelligence from these ones and on his own initiative had all the children two years and under killed in an attempt to dispose of baby Jesus the future King to be in Herod's mind as well. So who provided the star for that activity? God? Probably. But not the one that Jehovah's Witnesses worship.

No it was the Other God...

I respect your presentative quality and demeanor in approach. But my particular time budget hasn't allowed me to read everything that you post. Continue to satisfy your need of expression with long posts for the record or downsize with focus per post if you want to. Just a suggestion.

It explains why you don't answer most of the questions and isolate yourself to your belief.

The world could not contain all the books to be written about what Jesus did while on Earth. The Bible offers many things of great delight. I do not know of a Biblical encounter by Jesus with the Seven Sages in Galilee but I do find it questionable that he would attribute ruling power to a triune god of some sort.

Of course you doubt it. You couldn't understand it without the direct experience of the absolute, the manifest as it is created and the connecting link between the two. You'll just have to stick to God the person who creates bad Juju.

He did ask for God to just give him the Glory that he had before when he returned to Heaven. Perhaps that may bother you that the Father and 1st born Son be together again like an old way of doing things instead of some new triune way. I sense serious spiritual sickness here somewhere. Perhaps it's just my poor memory acting up again.

No your memory is fine, its just what you believe to be true that is making all this personal to you and the rest of the JW's, rather than universal and applicable to all Teachings of Absolute Oneness.

Jesus speaking of being with his heavenly Father in like manner again or in a new triune setting is a conflict of interests. I don't buy one of these two offerings. Show me the scripture where Jesus addresses the Seven Sages please or I will just have to relegate myself to experiencing triune god hearsay.
Peter

Those with the eyes to see and the ears to hear can recognize universal Truth only. You'll just have to continue to relegate yourself to what you believe and leave everything else to those who have room for more than belief.

[P.j.S]

You speak of Universal Oneness.

Who will all win in the Struggle between Good and Evil? When?

[Joesus]

You speak of Universal Oneness.

Who will all win in the Struggle between Good and Evil? When?

There is no win or lose. Like learning to walk, you fall and get up and learn to walk. It's not a winning scenario its natural law. Duality is a necessary part in growth. There is no light without darkness and no darkness without light. The one-ness or God particle exists in everything that is created regardless of whether one believes in it or not and regardless of interpretations of reality as seen through colored glasses of fear or idealism.

[P.j.S]

Here is a mathematical approach. If it's universal physical oneness? Is there Choas, Order or both?

Spiritually speaking it seems to me like you may have lead a sheltered life or encountered few difficulties along your path because when a person is suffering evil they're losing somehow. To destroy bad people (like History reveals has been done already)would be a necessary evil on God's part with Him taking the responsibility for His actions when He did it.

How about wanton acts of evil. Most sane individuals want justice and relief granted from Superior Authorities. You are abnormal in my opinion. Sorry! But I felt compelled to say that too you.

Asteroids hitting the Earth and causing an ice age are Spiritual terrorist ideas. This can be deep and I'm not diving into it any further with you right now. But I'll tell you right now that God does not suffer from a split personality. The wicked one inventing injurious things at others expense is accountable and Vengence is Jehovah's and He will repay.

you may now be concerned what that means in Hebrew, Hindi, or Hyspanola (spelling quetionable) to see what all the words mean in the translation. Good for you. Not my department. I trust others for that.

I am concerned that people get COMFORT somehow Mr. or Mrs. or Miss with use in the English language.

[P.j.S]

Joesus evil comes from improper pride. Jehovah God totally lacks improper pride because He is humble. The wicked one was once too. So there may have been a universe oneness at one time.

Now there isn't total oneness. That is plain to see and God may want it back soon. You see He has a yearning for the work of His hands. That is His dead friends that He wants back. People that are alive in His memory like Abraham and Daniel who will stand up for his lot at the end of the days. Actually Christ Jesus died for many.

Evil cannot last. It is the work of a deception of evil to make people think that it will. Luke SkyWalker never drove a Volkswagon Beetle on a nice suuny day before and sometime long into the future his father Darth Vader is trying to kill him. It may be exciting and entertaining with appropriate music to make the violence more palatable. But morally it lacks somewhat. Personally I loved the pod races. There is no perfect movie to see that I know of for the sake of entertainment. Red Skelton is gone for now for a live act example of much cleaner times.

The Authority of the Air has affected us negatively. Death is our enemy as well. So many have such good study habits but what are they studying? hhhmmm... Who is God Then? I Hope so anyway.

[Lindsay]

"There are no gods, and even if there were, why should we obey them?"
You need obey only yourself. " Rick.

It is interesting that in John 10:34 it is recorded: "Jesus answered, "It is written in your own Law (the Hebrew Bible) that God said, 'You are gods.' ..."

[P.j.S]

And yet Paul and Barnabus told a crowd that they were not gods and the mob violently turned on them.

[Joesus]

Here is a mathematical approach. If it's universal physical oneness? Is there Choas, Order or both?

Only order. Ego can't determine the unfolding universe with its contrast as a continuous process of expansion but rather a random occurrence of dueling principles seeking to gain greater ground.
Jesus knew he was to be nailed to the cross and he held no grudge toward those who crucified him and he knew everything was in order. He did mention something to the effect of forgiveness for they (the people) know not what they do. Or in other words the people know not of God and know not of their part in the sequence of events because they lacked conscious awareness.

Spiritually speaking it seems to me like you may have lead a sheltered life or encountered few difficulties along your path because when a person is suffering evil they're losing somehow. To destroy bad people (like History reveals has been done already)would be a necessary evil on God's part with Him taking the responsibility for His actions when He did it.

An eye for an eye kinda thing eh? Rather than to turn the other cheek or to offer ones coat to one who would take it...
The bud must die for the flower to be born.
The child must die for the man to be born.
And the ego of separation must also die to know fully how present God is in everything.

How about wanton acts of evil. Most sane individuals want justice and relief granted from Superior Authorities. You are abnormal in my opinion. Sorry! But I felt compelled to say that too you.

It's OK Jesus' disciples wanted him to take justice in his own hands and he had a hard time explaining to his disciples the reality of Free will and Karma. That each person creates their own lessons thru cause and effect.
It appears that without actually knowing spirit and experiencing it in everything you have not begun to understand life other than thru the dogmatic approach of superstitious resolve.

Asteroids hitting the Earth and causing an ice age are Spiritual terrorist ideas. This can be deep and I'm not diving into it any further with you right now.

Please don't, so far you show little knowledge of reality and it would be a waste of your time and mine.

But I'll tell you right now that God does not suffer from a split personality. The wicked one inventing injurious things at others expense is accountable and Vengence is Jehovah's and He will repay.

There is so much you could know and experience and unfortunately your cup is full.

you may now be concerned what that means in Hebrew, Hindi, or Hyspanola (spelling quetionable) to see what all the words mean in the translation. Good for you. Not my department. I trust others for that.

As long as they come up with something that fits in your box.

I am concerned that people get COMFORT somehow Mr. or Mrs. or Miss with use in the English language.

That is the way of the ego. No awareness of universal cause and effect.

Joesus evil comes from improper pride. Jehovah God totally lacks improper pride because He is humble. The wicked one was once too. So there may have been a universe oneness at one time.

The Universe has always been of the One at all times. God can never be victimized like you believe you can be.

Now there isn't total oneness. That is plain to see and God may want it back soon. You see He has a yearning for the work of His hands. That is His dead friends that He wants back. People that are alive in His memory like Abraham and Daniel who will stand up for his lot at the end of the days. Actually Christ Jesus died for many.

Superstition..

Evil cannot last. It is the work of a deception of evil to make people think that it will. Luke SkyWalker never drove a Volkswagon Beetle on a nice suuny day before and sometime long into the future his father Darth Vader is trying to kill him. It may be exciting and entertaining with appropriate music to make the violence more palatable. But morally it lacks somewhat. Personally I loved the pod races. There is no perfect movie to see that I know of for the sake of entertainment. Red Skelton is gone for now for a live act example of much cleaner times.

Evil is like hate which is twisted love. It is the contrast to expansion and necessary to inspire one to make expanding choices. Humanity will always have contrast as long as it is in a state of evolution.

The Authority of the Air has affected us negatively. Death is our enemy as well. So many have such good study habits but what are they studying? hhhmmm... Who is God Then?

That is what you need to find out so you will stop fantasizing this superstitious dogma.

[P.j.S]

You propound your words in English. How many other languages is this work articulated within?

Have you thought of all the probabilities linguisticly? There are Tongues of Angels to consider for example.
Do you know what they all are? Can you readily translate between them. If you can then your work is found in all languages of the Earth too it stands to reason. If your information is truly from Oneness that is then it would be too important to leave any tongues out. You must agree.

Also how did good and evil ever decide that they would sit down and learn a common language together for the sake of better communication between them? In other words does evil have other top secret languages that nobody knows about? Does good? Do you know? Would you believe someone if they told outright that you didn't know all the languages that there are in existence presently Heavenly or Earthly? Is not the problem that good and evil are really confused good and good. Something lost in the translation and we're getting killed in the heat of their frustrations? Not Likely.

God said that there is nothing new under the sun. Understandably with evil on the loose destroying what was already made by hard work then why create something new until that problem is done away with? So evil doers die at some point and don't get to live again to see what else God can do everlastingly. Isn't that a serious penalty for serious sin enough. That is why we do not take lives under the Teaching of Christ Jesus who dedicated his life to do Jehovah's Will. Vengence is Jehovah's He will repay.

You speak with an air of Superiority to me Joesus. That's okay. Christians are to view others as superior to them. But that doesn't mean that a Christian has to be gullible. You are glutted in your own counsels that are not at present adequately made known readily in as many languages as possible in a most responsible way. I know that you are not a miracle worker either.

The Message of the Good News about God's Kingdom is being preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come. People are identifying themselves with an Organization on the Earth right now and for about a generation of time already that is very busy doing that preaching work. It is no time for anyone who appreciates this to be distracted away from it. It is a dedicated way of life like our Master Jesus Christ subjected himself too while on the Earth. Although he had great priviledges he said that his followers would do greater things than he did. Obviously his work was mostly restricted for the benefit of his own people the Jews. His Ministry lasted only 3and 1/2 years from the time of his baptizm in 29 C.E. until the time of his death. So he prepared the way for his disciples to find the joy in serving the immensity of a greater population of varied people like that of the nations outside the Jewish territory.

Those first century disciples were given the Helper which is God's Spirit. To help them with tongues of people of the nations to help speed up the work at that time, a time of miracles. Since they covered their territories faithfully is it hard to understand that the second time that the preaching work had to be done that it would start of with no less a multitude than previously prepared? You do not understand court and law Perhaps. A matter is based on 2 or 3 witnesses. 1) The Preaching of Noah to an ungodly world 2) Mosaic Law testimony of a way of life Organized by God. 3) Christian Preaching activity arranged by Christ Jesus 4) Christian Preaching activity during the time period of the Critical Last Days adhering closely to Christ Jesus original direction. 5) other pertinent events by God not in any particular Order that may be mentionable as learned about from the Bible and corresponding Secular History.

I have read and learned no-where that God is taking evil-doing people any further than Matthew 24:14 in time and I believe Him.

Jehovah's Witnesses knock on people's doors constantly and speak of these things there too primarily.
Would you like a free home Bible Study? Jehovah's Witnesses are busy right now doing that type of work and would love to fit you in where possible.

Joesus I have heard from you at length. I do not find your rhetoric appealing or satisfying. What are you dedicated to do with your life? Who is your dedication made to? I'm not talking about broken New Year's Eve resolutions.

What is the name of your God?.

PS I am sorry that I was blunt about your effort. I previously mentioned that personally finding comfort in your words has been eluding me. Therefore as only one of many suffering people appreciation for the knowledge wasn't welling up any satisfaction by means of comfort achieved through the material at hand.

Some people are in a form of worship because they are born into it. That happens with Jehovah's Witnesses too. But by and large the majority of individuals among Jehovah's favored people reach their dedication after repudiating other forms of worship and deeply entrenched things for the joy to be had in the door to door ministry. It is only natural when you get some good news to want to run and share it with somebody else Joesus. Thus happy Jehovah's Witnesses though enduring evil as well like everyone else, take up the work that Jesus offered to his disciples to do. You need to be motivated by some force when one takes it upon themselves to get cleaned up respectably and go at one's own expense and help Teach the Bible to one's neighbor for free. When one seeks to comfort others then they receive comfort in the mutual experience together at the door.

[Joesus]

You propound your words in English. How many other languages is this work articulated within?

Have you thought of all the probabilities linguisticly? There are Tongues of Angels to consider for example.
Do you know what they all are? Can you readily translate between them. If you can then your work is found in all languages of the Earth too it stands to reason. If your information is truly from Oneness that is then it would be too important to leave any tongues out. You must agree.

What I have eluded to is written in ancient Sanskrit, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. But more importantly it comes from within as the voice of spirit as it has through those who have written of their own experience and in those ancient languages.

Also how did good and evil ever decide that they would sit down and learn a common language together for the sake of better communication between them? In other words does evil have other top secret languages that nobody knows about? Does good? Do you know? Would you believe someone if they told outright that you didn't know all the languages that there are in existence presently Heavenly or Earthly? Is not the problem that good and evil are really confused good and good. Something lost in the translation and we're getting killed in the heat of their frustrations? Not Likely.

Without the direct experience of One-ness it is easy to get confused and lost in the reality of duality, opposites, contrast of thought and ego. Evil only exists within the mind of man separated from God. IT is the ego. Satan is a word derived from that which is separated from God and in Greek it can translate into the word EGO. It is personality individualized and tempered by ideas of past impressions, thoughts and programming of superstition and beliefs shoved into a child's mind by society and the parents of the child, a hypnotism of beliefs based on false information and lack of a direct experience with Spirit or the absolute.

God said that there is nothing new under the sun. Understandably with evil on the loose destroying what was already made by hard work then why create something new until that problem is done away with?

The meaning behind those words is that whatever is created already exists in the absolute. Everything is a reflection of the One.

So evil doers die at some point and don't get to live again to see what else God can do everlastingly. Isn't that a serious penalty for serious sin enough.

That is a false belief. You know nothing of cause and effect, Karma and the soul which does not die.

That is why we do not take lives under the Teaching of Christ Jesus who dedicated his life to do Jehovah's Will. Vengence is Jehovah's He will repay.

He as you refer to him is within the doer and whatever the doer sows he reaps in his concurrent lifetimes. It is a fair mechanism based on each individual being tied to a scientific system of cause and effect. God does not invest himself in what should and shouldn't be done. That is an egoic human concept based on ignorance.

You speak with an air of Superiority to me Joesus.

I could say exactly the same thing about you

That's okay. Christians are to view others as superior to them.

That unfortunately was not a part of Jesus' teachings to view others as superior but to view all things as equal in God's eyes. It is unfortunate that the Christian beliefs have fallen so far from its roots.

But that doesn't mean that a Christian has to be gullible.

No it doesn't but unfortunately they store information passed down from one authority to another based on surrendering all intuition and awareness of the Soul. That is surrendering to blind authority which is what Jesus accused the Pharisees and Sadducess of doing. Blind authority without having direct experience in the communion with God, and it also known as the nature of the Beast or egoic pride that keeps people preaching without direct experience in something that is Self evident and experiential. This blind authority maintains rules that change with beliefs devoid of the direct experience or communion with God. Most Christians have lost touch with God within themselves and do not know the nature of the soul.

You are glutted in your own counsels that are not at present adequately made known readily in as many languages as possible in a most responsible way. I know that you are not a miracle worker either.

So far you show me that your knowledge is programming, and you have no knowledge of spirit that is self evident.

The Message of the Good News about God's Kingdom is being preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come.

There is no end to the absolute only the ideas and ramblings of superstition.

People are identifying themselves with an Organization on the Earth right now and for about a generation of time already that is very busy doing that preaching work.

History shows that the weakness of organized religion has its foundation in belief and that belief changes with every generation. Organization once killed outsiders who would not join its organization. Now instead of killing people (which isn't as easy to get away with) threats of hellfire and damnation are thrown at those outside of the organization, in an attempt to bolster the organizations system of righteousness and to intimidate anyone who is not a part of the organization. It's all part of the same old approach to superstitious nonsense.

It is no time for anyone who appreciates this to be distracted away from it. It is a dedicated way of life like our Master Jesus Christ subjected himself too while on the Earth.

You have yet to learn anything about Jesus that is real.

Although he had great priviledges he said that his followers would do greater things than he did.

Provided they became Christed and One with the Absolute unmanifest Father as he was.

Obviously his work was mostly restricted for the benefit of his own people the Jews.

You are deluded.

His Ministry lasted only 3and 1/2 years from the time of his baptizm in 29 C.E. until the time of his death.

His ministry began as a Child and culminated as an adult. He began lecturing to his teachers as a Child of scripture and its meanings, and it is said at one event where a Childhood teacher tried to beat him for going off on his own ideas, the teachers hand shriveled. You really should step outside of that JW box you live in and expand your understanding. Better yet find a way to connect with spirit so you will not continue to sequester yourself to superstitious dogma.

So he prepared the way for his disciples to find the joy in serving the immensity of a greater population of varied people like that of the nations outside the Jewish territory.

He taught his disciples the method of approach for the direct experience of God and for them to pass this information on to those who were ready. Jesus never called himself Jew or a witness to Jehovah or any other name that would try and wrap the unbounded absolute into a single personality or idea.

Those first century disciples were given the Helper which is God's Spirit.

They were themselves guided by their teacher who was self realized to become self realized themselves, to become Christed and filled with the spirit/God within. That spirit is the voice that speaks beyond language and belief to those who have the ears to hear.

To help them with tongues of people of the nations to help speed up the work at that time, a time of miracles. Since they covered their territories faithfully is it hard to understand that the second time that the preaching work had to be done that it would start of with no less a multitude than previously prepared?

Since you end that with a question mark I'll be presumptuous and say you're guessing. But to be more to the point Jesus prepared his disciples by instructing them in the approach to stabilize the spirit connection within so that Spirit speaks when they teach. This is the universal voice and not a linguistic mechanic. Also it is a belief that miracles happen only at certain times when a master walks the planet. The masters walk the planet in all ages and all times, it is just that they only come out visibly to help when humanity loses itself so far into delusion to give a boost to comprehension of the True reality of things. Miracles exist in abundance always but the masters do not call them miracles, only people who live superstitiously behind the guise of the ego see things they do not understand as miracles.
Its a good bet that if Edison had taken his light bulb back a few hundred years his miracle would have been deemed a satanic abomination and he would have been burned at the stake.

You do not understand court and law Perhaps. A matter is based on 2 or 3 witnesses.

God is not democratic and the Soul does not validate itself by having someone outside of itself say it exists.

1) The Preaching of Noah to an ungodly world 2) Mosaic Law testimony of a way of life Organized by God. 3) Christian Preaching activity arranged by Christ Jesus 4) Christian Preaching activity during the time period of the Critical Last Days adhering closely to Christ Jesus original direction. 5) other pertinent events by God not in any particular Order that may be mentionable as learned about from the Bible and corresponding Secular History.

All of this is determined to have relevance by circumstantial idealism rather than having direct experience of any of the events or of the Spirit. 1 ) The story of Noah is based on an event not of this earth. If you want to argue this point provide evidence to the actual Ark and its location. To my knowledge it has never been found. 2) Jesus had several arguments regarding Mosaic law with the Pharisees and the Sadducees saying that moses law had been taken out of context and that the 10 commandments were based on levels of conscious awareness that could not be achieved without a direct experience of God. The Pharisees and Sadducees then called Jesus a Heretic and that such talk of anyone especially himself having a direct connection to God was improvable and ridiculous. 3) Christian teaching is based on Christ Consciousness not a form of worship based on a description of Christ consciousness having no experience of it, or of any diatribe extending a proposition of something outside of the ability of direct experience. No waiting for death or judgment day kinda thing that is so heavily espoused by the lunatics of today. 4) Christ told his disciples to trust what they had achieved in their stability of the experience of God the absolute so that when he left they would stand in the same shoes he did rather than rely on some outside Icon to lean on as the voice of truth. If some idea was to be upheld that all power of salvation is in someone who could be killed all attention would be on the flesh rather than the spirit within. Therefore it was important for those who were to carry on the tradition of Oral instruction that every teacher be stabilized in Union with the Father as was Jesus when He said "I and my Father are one." 5) Any event within the bible is subject to interpretation and with the history of religion using fear to manipulate the masses into compliance even the threats and actual killing that has been done there is little evidence that anyone in any body that has been organized in any history has had any success in reaching the levels of the disciples in the understanding of Jesus' words or of Jesus' experience of the Spirit.

I have read and learned no-where that God is taking evil-doing people any further than Matthew 24:14 in time and I believe Him.

It is unfortunate that you do not put this in context with the rest of the bible but instead take this passage to create fear and distrust of everything other than your own religious dogma.

Jehovah's Witnesses knock on people's doors constantly and speak of these things there too primarily.
Would you like a free home Bible Study? Jehovah's Witnesses are busy right now doing that type of work and would love to fit you in where possible.

And people everywhere slam doors in the faces of this preaching having a distrust and a bad feeling of those who manipulate with words of doom and gloom and a belief that one must join an organization to become saved from what the JW's preach as the coming apocalypse.
Would you care to step outside of that Box without leaving your beliefs behind to explore scripture that is not specific to the JW bible?

Joesus I have heard from you at length. I do not find your rhetoric appealing or satisfying.

Someone call the waaaambulance... I'll bet every time your mother made you do something you didn't want to do that was for your own good you told her that her rhetoric was not appealing nor satisfying.

What are you dedicated to do with your life? Who is your dedication made to? I'm not talking about broken New Year's Eve resolutions.

Universal mind, the Father or Spirit as it is inside of all life and creation. One cannot surrender ones self to something they do not experience directly less it become a belief or an idea of ego, and I do not surrender myself to the organization of ego.

What is the name of your God?.

MY God? I do not have a personal God. There is only One and that is what comprises all life and matter. That has been called by many names including your God Jehovah, but such fragmentation of personal ownership and egoic worship always ends in death, only to give rise like the phoenix to the souls further course in growth and experience to discover that which is nameless and not bound to any quart jar containment of belief and superstitious religion.

PS I am sorry that I was blunt about your effort.

Apology not necessary you only do the best that you know how, but not yet with the potential that is to be realized.

I previously mentioned that personally finding comfort in your words has been eluding me. Therefore as only one of many suffering people appreciation for the knowledge wasn't welling up any satisfaction by means of comfort achieved through the material at hand.

That is the ego. Always searching for personal comfort and building walls around itself so that it may try to keep any conflicting idea from destabilizing ones pride and identity with past programming.

Some people are in a form of worship because they are born into it.

To varying degrees of enlightenment and ignorance that is true.

That happens with Jehovah's Witnesses too.

yes

But by and large the majority of individuals among Jehovah's favored people reach their dedication after repudiating other forms of worship and deeply entrenched things for the joy to be had in the door to door ministry.

Yes that is called a closed mind based on isolating good feelings so that righteousness is dependant on the group. If the Group falls apart the individual itself has no stability and becomes lost.

It is only natural when you get some good news to want to run and share it with somebody else Joesus.

It is natural for the ego to try and solidify itself by congregating in force so that its fear of being isolated is lessened. When one is not full of God within such as Jesus was in and amongst the lunacy of a spiritual vacuum that is the ego and fear, people need to be in a Herd like cows, to feel protected and happy.

Thus happy Jehovah's Witnesses though enduring evil as well like everyone else, take up the work that Jesus offered to his disciples to do.

JW's and the Mormans, the Catholics, the Baptists.... every religious herd sing the same song.

You need to be motivated by some force when one takes it upon themselves to get cleaned up respectably and go at one's own expense and help Teach the Bible to one's neighbor for free. When one seeks to comfort others then they receive comfort in the mutual experience together at the door.

If that Force comes from the same place as Jesus and one can be full of spirit it resonates with the heart. When that force comes from a herd mentality it resonates with group protectionism and that of an Army showing its superiority by number and voice regardless of where the voice comes from. Fear based animals find comfort in such a force. Love that comes from being filled within by spirit exists regardless of the herd and such a person only can lead another to be filled with spirt also rather than the false expectations of the fear based herd mentality.

[P.j.S]

Motivation Bounds comfort seeking. You may claim ego but more realisticly someone striving to do what is right refrains from speading bad experiences and otherwise seeks to share with his neighbor what is more beneficial. Comforting things fall within this catagory of what is loving to share and are initiated to a stranger even by a generous spirit.

Why do you rail a whole Organization doing works of the spirit like this on even a grand scale?

You lack Christian Maturity. A spiritual person can discern a physical one.

Again you offer no comforting commendation at all. Dry and arid are your words. Little grows there. Jesus said that some of the seed falls by the road side. That soil doesn't produce much. Yes you may Know its a road but big deal. That is not the type on soil that a man with a plow is looking to plant and expect a good return from. I do not see your Harvest time (that's when a growing season has ended and the vegetation needs in most cases to be reaped before it diminishes in value or even spoils altogether). You portray evil continueing on. That is a deception that I don't need to bet on. You have no harvest time. You have no weeds to be collected from the mature wheat. You have no benefit of Jesus' illustrations to draw people to you either. Search your comments. Where does your teaching draw on any illustrations from the Masterworker Jesus Christ for humble people loaded down and toiling to draw comfort from? Again you are grossly inexperienced about such matters of spirit and truth.

What farming do intellectuals do anyway?

Paul planted, Apollos watered but God kept making it grow.

I hope that you are not trying to insinuate that you are greater than Jesus Christ. His foot-step followers lead a life following his examples to the best of their ability.

[Joesus]

Motivation Bounds comfort seeking. You may claim ego but more realisticly someone striving to do what is right refrains from speading bad experiences and otherwise seeks to share with his neighbor what is more beneficial. Comforting things fall within this catagory of what is loving to share and are initiated to a stranger even by a generous spirit.

Morality based on comfort is subjective only. Egoic. Examples directed to the protection of ones comfort by assimilating others into like mindedness is called theivery.
There is an old saying; "Let the thieves create an institution and let the Teachers walk amongst the world." What it means is that those who feed off of the energetics of a herd have no power without the herd and are thieves or parasites. They are like machines sucking off of an external power supply without the ability to stand complete within themselves. Jesus was a Teacher who walked amongst the world and needed no organization to draw from, for his power for it came direct from spirit.

Why do you rail a whole Organization doing works of the spirit like this on even a grand scale.

A huge mass of people who have no direct experience or immersion into spirit does not make for a spiritual group. It makes for a herd.

A spiritual person can discern a physical one.

That is a fact.

Again you offer no comforting commendation at all.

No praise given to something that does not merit what it claims to be is Truthfulness. The Pharisees had much to say to Jesus about not offering any comforting commendation..

Dry and arid are your words.

To the ego yes.

Little grows there. Jesus said that some of the seed falls by the road side. That soil doesn't produce much. Yes you may Know its a road but big deal. That is not the type on soil that a man with a plow is looking to plant and expect a good return from.

Your belief is the road that does not nurture seed, but yet carries the seed of fear of the apocalypse with ideas of comfort in a herd lifestyle.

What farming do intellectuals do anyway?

They preach the Gospel of ideas and dogma, similar to Jehovah's Witnesses?

[P.j.S]

Jesus Christ is the Leader of Jehovah's Witnesses not you. Unless... are you claiming to be Jesus Christ?

Did you notice that my postings at this time are 111. You are not superstitious about this matter are you?

What is the Universal One saying to you about this matter? Are you Jesus Christ?

Has the time of triune ruling arrived at long last? What do you think? Remember the much of the world believes in a trinity and I am not Jesus Christ. Are you?

[Joesus]

Jesus Christ is the Leader of Jehovah's Witnesses not you. Unless... are you claiming to be Jesus Christ?

You or one of your constituents have met him personally and are taking direction from him directly?

Did you notice that my postings at this time are 111. You are not superstitious about this matter are you?

I hadn't noticed why did you bring it up?

What is the Universal One saying to you about this matter?

There is only One, "One."

Are you Jesus Christ?

I am not Jesus.

Has the time of triune ruling arrived at long last? What do you think? Remember the much of the world believes in a trinity and I am not Jesus Christ. Are you?

The trinity is part of creation. It is part of natural law and has existed as the foundation of material reality. It in itself does not rule or control but support creation as it is experienced.

[P.j.S]

Please enlighten upon post # 44.

Is your superstitious spirituality subject to mere coincidence? Or what higher is happening at this time?

[Joesus]

Please enlighten upon post # 44.

I don't think you can really grasp enlightenment yet.

Is your superstitious spirituality subject to mere coincidence? Or what higher is happening at this time?

There is no such thing as coincidence, that is what superstitious people believe when God has to do damage control for things that are running amok of his best intentions.

[P.j.S]

So you are saying that 111 was no coincidence when I asked you if you were Jesus Christ. The circumstance forced you to admit that you are not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ might be upset that you are delaying admitting that when asked.

Further you have said this:
" "The time has come; I go my way unto Jerusalem, and by the power of living faith, and by the strength that you have given. And in the name of God, our Father-God, the kingdom of the soul shall be established on the seven hills. And all the peoples, tribes and tongues of earth shall enter in.
The Prince of Peace will take his seat upon the throne of power; the Triune God will then be All in All." "

The post was 111. Is that not an indicator that the triune God is sending a sign that the Prince of Peace is now Ruling. Particularly since 1914?

Or is it an indicator that you really do not know what is happening here?

[Joesus]

So you are saying that 111 was no coincidence when I asked you if you were Jesus Christ.

There are no coincidences

The circumstance forced you to admit that you are not Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ might be upset that you are delaying admitting that when asked.

Jesus Christ doesn't get upset nor does God. People get upset and imagine things to be other than they are.

Further you have said this:
" "The time has come; I go my way unto Jerusalem, and by the power of living faith, and by the strength that you have given. And in the name of God, our Father-God, the kingdom of the soul shall be established on the seven hills. And all the peoples, tribes and tongues of earth shall enter in.
The Prince of Peace will take his seat upon the throne of power; the Triune God will then be All in All." "

The reference is to consciousness, which appears fragmented in duality (the triune manifest world of sense experience) which will return to It's absolute source, perfect stillness and oneness, when the awareness is taken inward and away from the illusions of belief and sense orientation.

The post was 111. Is that not an indicator that the triune God is sending a sign that the Prince of Peace is now Ruling. Particularly since 1914?

No. Do You believe its a sign from angels that there is something special in your post?

Or is it an indicator that you really do not know what is happening here?

Your words are an indicator that you have many ideas based on some kind of biblical interpretation rather than the source which produced the Biblical references.

[P.j.S]

I was asking you questions not rendering interpretations.

Two meet by appointment.

[Joesus]

I was asking you questions not rendering interpretations.

Questions arise from rendered interpretations.

Two meet by appointment.

There are no coincidences

[P.j.S]

Time and unforeseen circumstances befall all. Did you know that I was going to say that? No?
Right that was no coincidence.

[Joesus]

Time and unforeseen circumstances befall all. Did you know that I was going to say that? No?
Right that was no coincidence.

There are no coincidences, which has nothing to do with whether one is omniscient or not.

[P.j.S]

I'm vaguely remembering that a structure fell and killed 30 people in Jesus day. If that wasn't a coincidence then did somebody plan that event?

PS the number may have either been been 18 and it may have been a bridge or a tower

[Joesus]

I'm vaguely remembering that a structure fell and killed 30 people in Jesus day. If that wasn't a coincidence then did somebody plan that event?

PS the number may have either been been 18 and it may have been a bridge or a tower

There is no such thing as a coincidence.

[P.j.S]

Then who planned the disaster?

[Joesus]

Then who planned the disaster?

Was the crucifixion a disaster?

But to answer your question, the process is similar only the crucifixion was known of prior to its manifestation by the protagonist in the story. The other you refer to probably created and possibly unknown consciously by those directly involved, with the help of natural law. Remember, there is only ONE.

No one ever really dies. It's more of a change of clothes for the soul when the body is dropped. Every event is determined thru the choices of those directly involved. People who don't know God or cause and effect have no clue as to how they create their future ahead of them. Life is a process of perfecting awareness, of Self discovery, and Self creation. After all man is made in the image of God, and that image is immortal with the ability to self realize and experience creation and creativity. People fall in death but they get up again and walk, or at least learn to over a period of a few thousand lifetimes.
It's interesting that Christianity dropped the whole reincarnation thing a few hundred years ago, because they felt it allowed the people to stray from the control of the organized church. People began to think that if they didn't get it right or didn't act perfectly they could do it over again, and they wouldn't have to judge themselves or let others judge them. So in order to regain control of the masses they omitted that little item from the biblical teachings so they could scare the b'jesus out of folks to get them back under church submission.
Organized religion has used this kind of fear tactic to maintain the organizations power, and to control the masses. It made for better business and kept the church coffers full, and the Pulpit pounding sermonizers in rich clothing.
Fortunately everyone always reap what they had sewn in one life and paid for it in subsequent lifetimes. That is the natural law of soul progression and evolution. Jesus went thru the same process just like everyone else does.
As I said, it's a very good system. No emotional involvement by spirit because spirit never suffers, just the mind that is lost in the illusion of the sensory driven belief burdened ego in the skewed awareness of separation from God. That was the real Hell Jesus spoke of... Life ignorant of God with no direct experience in Self awareness and in Self Creation, always feeling like a victim to circumstance.

Oh well.. the saying goes you can lead a horse to water, but..

[P.j.S]

Let's say there were 18 killed in Jesus day for the sake of the discussion. They died. If they were to change into differing insects because of the deeds of their past life, who decides what insects that they should each be? There is at least chance, god of luck, coincidence, planning (God of Order), god of chaos, god of destiny, predestination, probability, superstition.

Which force chooses what the individual becomes next. Or is it a combination of these forces? To make One?

By the way for your information Time and unforeseen occurrences befall all. These do not have to be just death dealing circumstances only. But other timely incidents like a tower falling on a few people by probability because it had fatigued and collapsed when innocent passers-by were in the wrong place at the wrong time for it. The tower could not call out I'm falling Look Out Below! But when it was built it was known that it could probably fall down sometime. That would be not unthinkable. It didn't have to be necessarily a fall that killed anything when it fell if ever. Like humans, animals or insects.

At another time Joe and Jim arrive at the local Coffee Shop at the same time although the visit was an unplanned surprise for each other. If they both lived nearby then this would be more likely to happen. If they rarely ever talked to each other then it probably be less likely of an occurrence. Reasonable conclusions.

Unless God builds the house it is to no avail that the workers have worked hard on it. You see it probably won't last as long as it would if the God of Order had helped build it.

Seek righteousness, seek meekness, probably you may get saved in the day of Jehovah's burning anger.
(Here I just actually remembered the scipture. I am putting here to show how far apart my conversional quality is to actual recordings.) Zephaniah 2:3, 3 seek Jehovah, all YOU meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably YOU may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.

It would truly probably be strict superstition to reason otherwise.

Likewise as you condemn other religions for this way of doing things, it is just a way for the rich of the caste system to wield power over the poor people making them believe that they did something earlier in another life to deserve this poor disadvantaged way of life now being experienced by them and that they better be good while in that state or the next life could be worst for them. (you could be a dead bug on a rich person's car windshield. That's just sick somehow isn't it?) Sidhartha recognized in principle this sort of reasoning if my memory about reading about him is working right. This serves to make the populace severely superstitious indeed about their impossible previous or next life resulting from this way of teaching about what happens to a person after they die.

The Bible teaches that man and animal have the same eventuality when they die. They are both unconscious after that. Those reasoning persons alive know that they will die. How superior this advice is. Even in the caste system it cannot be avoided knowing that a person is going to die just the the Bible says it would be!

[Phi]

I just figure the relation of the holy spirit to us. It exists within all, therefore we are hands of god. I guess you could be jealous that you're only a part of something bigger, or you could think of yourself as privileged enough to have the opportunity to do the work of something bigger than anything one could imagine.

Who gives a shit who god is? I give a shit that everyone has limitless potential, which creates more opportunity, which creates more happiness overall. If god created everything, then god created limitless opportunity. We just happen to decide on what to pursue.

Whatcha say suckas?

[P.j.S]

I just figure the relation of the holy spirit to us. It exists within all, therefore we are hands of god. I guess you could be jealous that you're only a part of something bigger, or you could think of yourself as privileged enough to have the opportunity to do the work of something bigger than anything one could imagine.

Who gives a shit who god is? I give a shit that everyone has limitless potential, which creates more opportunity, which creates more happiness overall. If god created everything, then god created limitless opportunity. We just happen to decide on what to pursue.

Whatcha say suckas?

If the holy spirit is within all why does it bother you what other people do with their share of it so much?
Is your's wearing off somehow?