Ricks Questions on Divinity Options

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I moved this to a new thread as it goes off topic of "ego death" - sorry Phi that I didn't do this before with Joesus- I just got caught up in the conversation.

name='Rick' date='Jun 11, 2009, 08:33 AM' post='102001']

Lindsay keeps saying that all this natural stuff is really god, but that seems to be cluttering up the language with redundant and misleading labels. If it's not supernatural, isn't calling it god misleading? It's nature!

I would guess that there is always an answer. Is God - Nature? It's the old battle of
"where is God?" If we give in to the theory that God created all things then it's, yes.
but if we believe God is outside of Nature then , no. That's one reason I don't give in to the word "supernatural" . We do know that there is a creative force,(big bang) that begot all things. Does this "force" have a name? Is it just the "nature of life" or does this life have an origin such as God. So many want to combat the theory of was it "created" or "cause and effect" ?. To prove against the creationist we have to find what was the cause of the big bang. To prove against cause and effect we have to find God.
And still there are many (like me) that believe in the meathod of a middle way, that basicly it is both.
I can say this due to my experiences of knowing there is more than just my body, just my mind. But no one can force an individual to experience this "knowing".
I don't think Lindsay was mislabeling as much as he was trying to describe this "middle way".
Like the thread that discusses "what is consciousness?" no one can really give an answer- only opinions. We can say is was necessary to instinct or we can say it is the grace of God- again we revert back to the same questions.

Feelings of divinity: if divinity does not exist, then the feelings are illusory. I hate being mislead, even (especially?) by myself.

di·vine

di·vine [di vn]
adj
1. having godlike nature: being God or a god or goddess
2. relating to God, gods, or goddesses: connected with, coming from, or caused by God or a god or goddess
3. connected with worship: relating to the worship or service of God or a god or goddess

4. lovely: pleasing, attractive, or well performed (informal)


v (past and past participle di·vined, present participle di·vin·ing, 3rd person present singular di·vines

1. vt realize something: to come to understand or realize something

2. vt discover something as if supernaturally: to learn or discover something by intuition, inspiration, or other apparently supernatural means

3. vt predict something as if supernaturally: to predict something by apparently supernatural means

4. vti search with divining rod: to search for underground water, metal, or minerals using something such as a divining rod


n (plural di·vines)
1. theologian: a member of the clergy, especially one who is knowledgeable about theology
2. Di·vineGod: God, or an underlying creative and sustaining force in the universe


[14th century. Via French < Latin divinus < divus "god"]


-di·vine·ly, , adv
-di·vine·ness [di vn nəss], , n
-di·vin·er, , n

When I spoke "it's all divine" I was speaking in the terms of that which I put in bold print. But, I do have the view that we are all divine- even God-like. We have the consciousness to create that which was not in existence prior. We have the ability to, suppose, theorize, and imagine. This is divinity at it's core. For me it's not a measure of divinity being real or not but being actualized from the real to the illusionary.

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I'm not a fan of quackwatch....they hate everybody, including my profession. It isn't placebo to see a man go from a wheelchair to playing football with his son. It's a matter of getting the body to heal properly with understanding and instruction of anatomy and physiology. I don't think they are any different then those who preach from the other-side - they are just too far to the right as the others are too far to the left. This kind of imbalance will never convince me.

As acupuncture goes, I continue watching. If it is placebo than the conditions or diseases will return to those who receive this treatment.
but could I argue the same with chemo...many have there cancer return. Or with just about any medicine out there....yes.
Even the miracles that Jesus preformed, many returned to the same conditions they were "healed" from. Perhaps it really is a matter of lifestyle and conviction to what is begun for healing - not medicine or miracle?

It has always seemed to me that the main benefit of acupuncture is that it's like an enforced meditation. The patient is so full of needles, that he is afraid to move at all,