Flying Car, Still waiting for it, but it's getting closer. Options

[Hey Hey]

Hey!... you have just helped me get another idea for whatever it may be worth. I don't know that much about ozone. It might be O3. If it is then why can't h2o be separated here on earth leaving 2 parts hydrogen to be used as fuel of some sort and 1 part oxygen to rise to the atmosphere and combine with oxygen there to make ozone?
If salt water is used which is more plentiful the sodium or other trace minerals may be helpful as a catalyst in getting the oxygen in the atmosphere to recombine with itself. Just wondering. If it could work then ozone could be made by people "boiling water on the stove" so to speak, while still waiting for flying cars that are less polluting and giving more time for carbon emissions control to have its positive effect on the environment.

PJS

If I can get enough sponsorthip for my invention, I shall then render to you my legacy for all humankind to benefit: The flying wheel. What do you think, PJ?

Hi Code Buttons!

How does your flying wheel help restore the ozone?

PJS

Easy! Find a way to make a magnent long enough to last from Miami to Los Angeles and put a train with metal wheels that'll repel the magnent, yet will hold it in place due to the train's weight. Make yourself a superconductor superhighway!!!

Coo!.

PJS

What do pigeons have to do with it?

That's hilarious to me! I make my "l" with an exclamation mark "!" in the word cool "coo!." for kids that might be reading. Lot's of time they have the brains to take new good ideas to higher levels. That's the first time though that someone pointed out that it looks like pigeon talk to them! Ha.

I use the period to try and avoid that. "Coo!." translation...Great idea Code Buttons.

BTW Hi Hey Hey!

It's really coo! that you got it! Hello PJS! Up in the Ozone layer she would be Cold Buttons!

If heat were used on the surface of the earth to separate H2 from O then you think that the extra O would migrate to the upper ozone layer since heat rises and it is in a singularity condition to re-knit the ozone layer somehow. The spinoff H2 could be used for something else. Just Wondering.

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[P.j.S]

Further enough single O might accumulate through manmade water separation on earth so that if ozone was delaying in formulating in the sky at least cloud cover may increase for protection from the sun's direct rays. If salt water is used then rising oceans could be combatted by the O distilling process. How many O's could be gotten out of a chunk of iceburg? Then let the iceberg slowly melt where it is and take the ocean water from Manhattan for example. The polluted water can be purified in the process as H2 is stored for fuel and the single O from H2O is released into the atmosphere. It has to go somewhere and do something beneficial it stands to reason. With global warming this part of New York is predicted to sink so why not start evaporating the local ocean now? The hydrogen would be a cleaner fuel to use with the by product being water again if my memory serves me right.

PJS

[Rick]

Where do you get the energy to split the water?

[P.j.S]

Where do you get the energy to split the water?

How about burning some of New York's garbage. Or Pipeline natural gas from Russia. I'm not sure what the process is for splitting water is as you may discern. But it seems likely that something should be available.

Can you tell me how the process works please?

[Rick]

See the Wikipedia article on electrolysis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

Basically, it takes just as much energy to split water into oxygen and hydrogen as you get back when you burn the hydrogen and oxygen. So you could burn a ton of garbage, take the resulting heat, boil some water to drive a steam turbine, generate electricity, and electrolyze water to make hydrogen and oxygen gas that you could then sell as fuel, all with an overall efficiency of about 10 percent. So you would burn a ton of garbage to electrolyze about 100 pounds of water. You would still need to gather the garbage, feed the furnace, dispose of the smoke and ash, and find some way to efficiently distribute the hydrogen gas to consumers (it's explosive and takes up lots of room).

[P.j.S]

See the Wikipedia article on electrolysis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

Basically, it takes just as much energy to split water into oxygen and hydrogen as you get back when you burn the hydrogen and exygen. So you could burn a ton of garbage, take the resulting heat, boil some water to drive a steam turbine, generate electricity, and electrolyze water to make hydrogen and oxygen gas that you could then sell as fuel, all with an overall efficiency of about 10 percent. So you would burn a ton of garbage to electrolyze about 100 pounds of water. You would still need to gather the garbage, feed the furnace, dispose of the smoke and ash, and find some way to efficiently distribute the hydrogen gas to consumers (it's explosive and takes up lots of room).

Thank-you very much. Is "exygen" a spelling oversight or is this chemistry spinoff from water?

A couple of things. Nova Scotia is a world leader in recycling initiatives. There disabled people and other more healthy ones too scour the countryside looking for pop cans and bottles that they only get paid $.05 each for. 40 pop bottles will allow you to tip your coffee server at Tim Hortons when you get refreshment and have a rest from your walking and searching. It is a lot of work but these people love the land they live on.

New York has a garbage problem anyway and burning may be a viable alternative. What if the excess hydrogen was vented under the sea out a hose say 500 ft down? What would the H2 do in the existing H2O? Would the H2 be motivated to do some sort of benefial work?

When the floods come real estate values plummet. What is the harm in running a lower percentage of productivity when the result is less water rising and less water falling. The green house effect would probably cool faster as well with renewed ozone to deal with constant rays from the sun again.

A catch 22 situation of a garbage generator for ozone or cloud moisture retention cover from salt water is better than consumption of unrenewable reserves of crude that already has electricity and other chores to maintain while supplies last. A catch 22 buys time for other ingenuity to expand the horizons of the new endeavor.

And what about the salt? Winter roads or sidewalks even at least?

P.j.S

[P.j.S]

Further oxygen is pumped from the bottom of sewage treatment ponds which work the pond as it rises to the top. What if the H2 was placed into the mix. Then lightly salted water could agitate under the pump pressure and since water is the universal solvent it may under these conditions maximize the efficiency of the local pond. Mere speculation though.

P.j.S