When one does a miracle it is God who does it, Power of God is inseparable from Him Options

[dattaswami]

When one does a miracle it is God who does it
Power of God is inseparable from Him

The other field is the unimaginable God with inherent unimaginable super powers called as Maya. This Super Power can never be isolated from God as said in Gita (Mayinamtu Maheswaram). This super power or Maya is the specific power of God used in His play of entertainment as said in Veda (Indro Mayaabhih….). When God gives a boon to any devotee, the devotee thinks that the super power of God entered him, which is being used by him. It is a false notion. God may give you a boon that you will create any thing by your will. You are thinking that the super power of God has entered you and that you are creating any thing using your super power. You will realize that this is absolutely wrong, if you realize the actual technique. When you wanted to create something, then that is created. No doubt! But what is exactly happening? When you wanted to create something, then the invisible God is creating that because He has given a boon to you to that effect.

Yourself and the other spectators are thinking that it is created by you with the help of the super power given to you by the God. It is only an illusion. Therefore, a real devotee having true knowledge will always say that God has done the miracle, even though the miracle was expressed by Him. Therefore, the Maya or super power can never be separated from God. If you are His true devotee, you can perform the miracles which are actually done by Him in invisible way. Therefore, you are getting the super power (in the sense of external world) through total surrender, devotion and selfless service to God in His Mission. You cannot achieve the super power through any amount of sharp intelligence or techniques or instruments or by any self effort. The basic reason is that you can never achieve the super power in real sense. The achievement of super powers mentioned in Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is spoken in this external sense only. This is the field of unimaginable powers or Maya.

[rhymer]

You are perfectly free to accept this explanation for all of mans activities.
That is to say, as far as your belief goes, God does everything and sometimes through man.
The man does not have the power to do it - only God has the power.

I will never accept this belief because I will never be satisfied with a God who does what ANY man wants.
GOOD things OK, BAD things - no thank you; the God I accept will never countenance such things!

[Joesus]

That's the problem most people have. God has to meet mans standards before God can be God.

[rhymer]

There is no problem, unless God exists.
You believe in the existence of God and I do not.

I know that I don't know where everything came from or even if it has a purpose, but none of the Gods portrayed and supposedly witnessed on earth seems appropriate to me.
You are rightly entitled to believe what you like, and this type of discussion will continue ad infinitum (because there is no proof either way).
We need to accept that different people have different beliefs.
Some will go to heaven, some to hell and God only knows where I will end up. (In other words, nobody knows where I, or themselves will end up when dead-body excluded).

[Joesus]

There is no problem, unless God exists.
You believe in the existence of God and I do not.

I know that I don't know where everything came from or even if it has a purpose, but none of the Gods portrayed and supposedly witnessed on earth seems appropriate to me.
You are rightly entitled to believe what you like, and this type of discussion will continue ad infinitum (because there is no proof either way).
We need to accept that different people have different beliefs.
Some will go to heaven, some to hell and God only knows where I will end up. (In other words, nobody knows where I, or themselves will end up when dead-body excluded).

Belief can be superseded in the awareness of something that exists regardless of belief. Such a Supreme anchor has been experienced by those sages who have spoken of their experiences and demonstrated their mastery of awareness. It is the lesser observant belief systems that attach themselves to these demonstrations and educators, who then pass their imagined version on to their children. Passing a story from person to person thru the personal baggage of belief and imagination degrades the Truth of reality because the mind is too busy thinking about what is real to actually see anything other than what belief can identify with.
If the mind is too busy thinking, it doesn't have much awareness left to hear or see what is going on around itself.

If you believe their is no God only says to me that you have not yet met the idea with any clarity, because the thought is surrounded with conflict of interests and beliefs that oppose your personal idealism.
Children often say to themselves they will never act like their parents did, and yet few really escape the habit of self identification with belief and personal opinion that makes them judgmental of others and creates the intention of being individual in and amongst so much opinion.
God has to be experienced beyond the individual definition of good and evil to be seen and heard.

It's not so hard to do if you can step aside the need to see the world from your own beliefs. But to the ego that means to die and become nothing.

[rhymer]

Ah the ego!

Ma Amritananda once described ego like this: "There was a cowherd boy who took his cows to the meadows every morning and brought them back to the cowshed at the end of the day. One evening, as he was tying the cows up for the night, the boy found that one of them was missing her rope. He feared that she might run away, but it was too late to go and buy a new rope. The boy didn't know what to do, so he went to a wise man who lived nearby and sought his advice. The wise man told the boy to pretend to tie the cow, and make sure that the cow saw him doing it. The boy did as the wise man suggested and pretended to tie the cow. The next morning the boy discovered that the cow had remained still throughout the night. He untied all the cows as usual, and they all went outside. He was about to go to the meadows when he noticed that the cow with the missing rope was still in the cowshed. She was standing on the same spot where she had been all night. He tried to coax her to join the herd, but she wouldn't budge. The boy was perplexed. He went back to the wise man who said, "The cow still thinks she is tied up. Go back and pretend to untie her." The boy did as he was told, and the cow happily left the cowshed.

This is what has been handed down because it illustrates a point very well.
In reality, when the boy got back with the sages suggestion to pretend that he had tied the cow up, the cow had already gone because it knew it was not tied up! He never found it.
This end to the story was never written down because it did not fit in with what the perpetrators wished to convey.
Truth does not matter when a story is needed.
You cannot believe anything you are told unless you can set some store by it. That is why having beliefs is necessary and useful for man (as long as he can accept changes to his beliefs if new information shows a need to change the belief).
Those who have held a belief for a long time become more and more resistant to accepting such changes as time goes by - too much 'work' needs to be done. It becomes far easier to ignore the new information than to realise and accept that your previous belief was wrong for so many years.
I think we are both in that category!

[Joesus]

Ah the ego!

Truth does not matter when a story is needed.

I think we are both in that category!

The end of the story is conjecture. In truth the cow could never be contained or owned because the cow represents beliefs and opinion. As long as you think you own them you become unavailable to the voice of God. The ego thinks it can own something including the personality replete with beliefs and opinion.

[Hey Hey]

After a seizure putting me into a coma for three days, I awoke and hallucinated for two days. At night I saw strange men involved in strange behaviour on my hospital ward. The strange men might well have been god had I awoken in a church rather than a hospital. The affect on my brain and the environment I found myself in obviously had a profound influence on what I experienced. This has probably happened to other people on one or two occasions in history. I don't believe that the things I saw when I hallucinated were real, and neither did the nurses caring for me. There were no strange men and there would probably not have been god. There is no god. No-one has actually seen god or related beings or activities. I don't need or want to become involved in yet another discussion about semantics or the nature of seeing. Hallucination, delusion, mistaken interpretation and misinterpretation easily explain experiences of god and the mechanisms by which this can occur are already quite well explained through neurophysiological changes, and will become better explained as techniques improve. When we are dead we are dead, the universe is the universe not god, g∆d, gΩd or gød, and physics will probably eventually explain almost if not all of what we want or need to know. The 50 billion neurons with up to 100,000 possible connections provides numbers of possibilities greater than the number of molecules in the universe. There are possibly parallel universes through which we could escape into a survival eternity, thus becoming poetically gods and that is the nearest to reality (pun) that god will achieve. Maybe the latter has already happened and we are life through previous god-like creatures seeding this universe. One's imagination can run wild. That is the problem. Imagination can create god. Instead there are practical things to do to ensure the survival and well-being of humans and it is time we got on with it instead of remaining as children with our fairy stories, wasting time and effort, creating excuses for inflicting pain and suffering on each other, as religions and the influence of this imaginary god continue to do.

[Joesus]

After a seizure putting me into a coma for three days, I awoke and hallucinated for two days. At night I saw strange men involved in strange behaviour on my hospital ward. The strange men might well have been god had I awoken in a church rather than a hospital.

But you would have to know God to recognize God, otherwise you end up labeling something with a name or a quality that gives the idea personal meaning.

The affect on my brain and the environment I found myself in obviously had a profound influence on what I experienced. This has probably happened to other people on one or two occasions in history. I don't believe that the things I saw when I hallucinated were real, and neither did the nurses caring for me. There were no strange men and there would probably not have been god.

Probably is not a validation of whether something is real or not. When something becomes consistent within all the diverse experiences and their surroundings it is more likely to be something to give consideration to.

There is no god. No-one has actually seen god or related beings or activities.

At least as far as you know and believe. I can understand how one can live with a limited and personal point of view, but one should know better than to take such a view as an authoritative point of reference.

I don't need or want to become involved in yet another discussion about semantics or the nature of seeing. Hallucination, delusion, mistaken interpretation and misinterpretation easily explain experiences of god and the mechanisms by which this can occur are already quite well explained through neurophysiological changes, and will become better explained as techniques improve.

But techniques are always changing, and as we refine the machinery we create, built from the imagination and belief of what we think to be real, looking to find what we know and believe is real, there isn't much likelihood we will find or look for something we don't believe is real. Someone would have to have a broader visualization of reality to allow for the emergence of something not expected or believed in.

When we are dead we are dead, the universe is the universe not god, g∆d, gΩd or gød, and physics will probably eventually explain almost if not all of what we want or need to know.

physics probably eventually will evolve beyond what we know now and explain God in some broader sense than that which is packaged in belief and disbelief.

The 50 billion neurons with up to 100,000 possible connections provides numbers of possibilities greater than the number of molecules in the universe. There are possibly parallel universes through which we could escape into a survival eternity, thus becoming poetically gods and that is the nearest to reality (pun) that god will achieve.

Now that is imagination. But still not a finite definition of God.

Maybe the latter has already happened and we are life through previous god-like creatures seeding this universe. One's imagination can run wild. That is the problem. Imagination can create god.

Imagination can also lead one to the discovery of God, far and beyond what one can imagine.

Instead there are practical things to do to ensure the survival and well-being of humans and it is time we got on with it instead of remaining as children with our fairy stories, wasting time and effort, creating excuses for inflicting pain and suffering on each other, as religions and the influence of this imaginary god continue to do.

I have to ask. Do you believe those that believe in God are wasting time with humanity and inflicting pain and suffering on humanity? I ask because in the duality of opposites it would lead to another question such as, do you believe those who don't believe in God never waste time, nor create pain and suffering for humanity?

You see the way I experience it, anyone who doesn't know God, can inadvertently waste an entire lifetime detailing an imaginative description of the meaning of life whether they believe in God or not.
Those who know God, live life in surrender and service to humanity, for it is experienced as the reflection of themselves/God.