Palestine vs Israel,what do you think? Options

[Trip like I do]

What concern is it of yours what happens in Palestine/Israel? You are Egyptian are you not? Are you a Jew? Are you a member of Hamas? Are you a Palestinian?

Israeli-Palestinian conflict is really an Israeli/Arabian one..its roots go deeper to such level and Israel itself knows that well.

yes.... being a Roman Catholic, one of my favorite stories/events from the Holy Bible was Moses and his "let my people go" speech!

[Trip like I do]

When I visited Israel a few years back, it seemed that most of the everyday people cared very little about the political extremism prevalent. Its extremely unfortunate, however, that everyday people are getting caught in the crossfire.

Hmmm... I see a quarrel with my own eyes between two girls(one with parents from palestine,but immigrated in italy,ad a girl from israel that I don't know why she's in italy) on a talk show. They were really excited, and they said things like "We tried to socialize with palestinian girls,but they spitted in our faces". I don't really think that common people are out of the conflict
The same talk show also gives me the idea to talk about this argument in this forum. The approach of the talk show to the argument was very unusual,in fact it is now in course a debate about the show between the politicians. The show tryed to represent war in her emotional implications,instead of searching to understand it rationally(the choice to let two common girls talk,instead of experts or analists,reflect it clearly). One of the important questions of the show was:how can human mind tolerate violence of war?
A possible answer was given by an israelian psicologist,used to treat shocks caused by war. She said that humans tends to consider it like a dream or a play,so that the reality doesn't seem real. She gave the example of a soldier with the hobby of making photos. First,he was quite happy to do the war,because he could make very amazing photos. He looked the world with the eye of his camera,protected by it. But one day,he saw a group of arabian horses in agony,because of war. That made him crazy! It sound strange,but maybe the imagine of animals in agony,because is not as shocking as the imagine of a man in agony,can "pass through" the camera. It can be accepted as real. But these meant that all the war was real,and so the soldier was assailed by the shock.
Maybe the conflict is so long because of this. I think that in situations of cultural conflict,the reality of the violence can be overshadowed by cultural reasons,that make people forget how much they hate conflict and blood. They don't really understand that they are in war. Maybe,when we use some higher functions of the brain,like imagination and rationality,that are typical of culture,we can't pay attention to other basilar,natural istincts.
Humm...what do you think about my english?

:S do not do this to me...I know myself well

huh? this one flew right over my head!

[Wafa..]

Moses and his "let my people go" speech!

You know this particular situation was personally Egyptian; with the pharaohs..Egypt was not Arabic except before 1200 years ago or little more. The Arabs had no prominent history before the advent of Islam.
I do not know actually if this was the king attitude or the public also had that negative behavior.

huh? this one flew right over my head!

I meant that I have extremely bad English..do not make a correction like the one you did. ()

[Trip like I do]

I meant that I have extremely bad English..do not make a correction like the one you did. ()

.... only if you ask me how your english is as yin yang had done, lol

[Phi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6T3XrnYtFk

[Trip like I do]

lmfao.... too friggin funny man! Nice camera angle on that one.... you are a sicko phi

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Let's get back on track. This topic, it's serious stuff, notwithstanding what I said before (about humour).

I'm amazed that there have been so few comments in this post. Are people maybe a little afraid to view their opinions, for fear of retribution or something? Surely it can't be complacency.

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Ummm.... I have been open and honest about my feelings on this topic here hey hey! Have you? What are your thoughts?

[Phi]

I honestly don't think I can pick a side...there's no solid proof I can trust. As a solution to the problem, I believe Israel should let people in to give a perspective from a third party. I guess we're supposed to have satellites which can see a license plate, so we could watch(if we know where to look). Then we would have to trust a governments judgment to begin with...

I grew up in las vegas, so i have no ties to my land; so I would say: move somewhere else. Some don't have that opportunity, so I guess we have to rely on the world.

I suppose there is a stigma against jews to begin with...and there's one for muslims from america. The media will have to be there and show an unbiased view of events as much as possible. Considering american news coverage(not only limited to) were screwed on being able to make any kind of judgement. Our own system needs to be fixed first.

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I honestly don't think I can pick a side...

Hey, both of them are good sheep herders by trade. You should feel right at home in either side!

[Phi]

haha...again a lol. *no sarcasm*

which side sympathizes with my heart?

[Rick]

Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. While they may not be making the best decisions in the interest of the people, the people must live with the government they elected, just as we here in the USA have lived with an abysmal government for the last eight years. Elections have consequences. The only guarantee is that you will get the government you deserve.

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Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. While they may not be making the best decisions in the interest of the people, the people must live with the government they elected, just as we here in the USA have lived with an abysmal government for the last eight years. Elections have consequences. The only guarantee is that you will get the government you deserve.

When will you ever stop bitching about the elephants? You got your wishes through and through (an all democrat Washington) today, so let's see how much better things will be now.

[Rick]

When will you ever stop bitching about the elephants? You got your wishes through and through (an all democrat Washington) today, so let's see how much better things will be now.

The Repugligans are still there, just less powerful now, fewer in number, and not in control, but you can fully expect they will make all the trouble they can and drag their feet all the way into the 21st century. As long as evil exists, I will point it out. Call it bitching if you want, but if enough of us had bitched enough in 2000 and 2004 we wouldn't be in the economic meltdown we have now.

But hope is on the way:

http://www.amazon.com/New-Golden-Age-Revol...n/dp/1403975795

[Hey Hey]

Ummm.... I have been open and honest about my feelings on this topic here hey hey! Have you? What are your thoughts?

I heard an old man on BBC news (that, I believe disappointedly, has been especially biased wrt the recent I-H conflict), a Gaza citizen who's home had been flattened, say that he just "Wanted to live there." He blamed both Israel, AND, courageously, Hamas! It affected me greatly.

I want a world with NO politicians, just a civil service, who take their instructions from every citizen who can be bothered to vote on EVERY issue. This is the electronic age (at least in the developed world) and each of us should be able to give an acknowledged and acted upon opinion on EVERY issue! We should strive for freedom for each individual on the planet. We should strive for non-localized energy resources (we have the technology) that would prevent 1/2 of the wars on the planet , that are related to non-renewable resource ownership and usage. Through a concerted (and initially forced, yes forced [come on Dawkins, join in]) education plan, we should ban religion - it is infantile and worthless. Another 1/2 of the wars would disappear. That leaves a small number of other wars (I'm obviously talking approximately) that I'd welcome views on!

How's that for a start Trip, my good friend. Peace ... and love ... with a bit of poetry thrown in ... and not forgetting your wonderful art ...

[Hey Hey]

At least President Obama seems to have a brain. We shall see. Our guy (Brown) has a calculator but no imagination. There is more to brain than a calculator. (Perhaps a minor one, but one of those 'other' things is personality - helps with the inspiration, aspiration, enthusiasm sort of stuff. Brown - yawn, sleep, coma, suicide ... and straight to suicide with Bush).

[Rick]

... We should strive for non-localized energy resources (we have the technology) that would prevent 1/2 of the wars on the planet, that are related to non-renewable resource ownership and usage. Through a concerted (and initially forced, yes forced [come on Dawkins, join in]) education plan, we should ban religion - it is infantile and worthless. Another 1/2 of the wars would disappear. That leaves a small number of other wars (I'm obviously talking approximately) that I'd welcome views on!

Completely correct. However, I hope that in the long run, religion will not need to be banned, just as we don't ban believing in a flat earth, just nobody of importance does it any longer. We already have compulsory education in the USA, but it needs to be made much better, and completely free from religious influence.

[Hey Hey]

... We should strive for non-localized energy resources (we have the technology) that would prevent 1/2 of the wars on the planet, that are related to non-renewable resource ownership and usage. Through a concerted (and initially forced, yes forced [come on Dawkins, join in]) education plan, we should ban religion - it is infantile and worthless. Another 1/2 of the wars would disappear. That leaves a small number of other wars (I'm obviously talking approximately) that I'd welcome views on!

Completely correct. However, I hope that in the long run, religion will not need to be banned, just as we don't ban believing in a flat earth, just nobody of importance does it any longer. We already have compulsory education in the USA, but it needs to be made much better, and completely free from religious influence.

Yes, you're correct about the 'not banning'. It's just that we need to do more than twitter (sorry!) about the religion issue to convince people.

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When will you ever stop bitching about the elephants? You got your wishes through and through (an all democrat Washington) today, so let's see how much better things will be now.

The Repugligans are still there, just less powerful now, fewer in number, and not in control, but you can fully expect they will make all the trouble they can and drag their feet all the way into the 21st century. As long as evil exists, I will point it out. Call it bitching if you want, but if enough of us had bitched enough in 2000 and 2004 we wouldn't be in the economic meltdown we have now.

But hope is on the way:

http://www.amazon.com/New-Golden-Age-Revol...n/dp/1403975795

Making excuses already? The economy goes in cycles. Plus, monetary policy-maker jobs such as the chairman of the Federal Reserve are not term or party dependent.

[Hey Hey]

The economy goes in cycle

Very well reminded as we see the USA's new political focus. Fingers crossed. I keep thinking of Lindsay pointer to the non-monetary system. F**k the banks and let's start afresh now we have chance? Slim chance ... Good luck (!?*$) anyway.

[Wafa..]

Hamas is the duly elected government of Gaza. While they may not be making the best decisions in the interest of the people, the people must live with the government they elected, just as we here in the USA have lived with an abysmal government for the last eight years. Elections have consequences. The only guarantee is that you will get the government you deserve.

I am a close observer to things going around there..

Hamas is not refused from people..Hamas is refused from Israel Egypt USA and many other systems..and thats the main element that complicates things much.

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this just in.... obama has already made contact with all parties involved in this conflict!

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The economy goes in cycle

Very well reminded as we see the USA's new political focus. Fingers crossed. I keep thinking of Lindsay pointer to the non-monetary system. F**k the banks and let's start afresh now we have chance? Slim chance ... Good luck (!?*$) anyway.

I agree. I'm trying to find his post on the subject. Very insightful.

[Hey Hey]

The economy goes in cycle

Very well reminded as we see the USA's new political focus. Fingers crossed. I keep thinking of Lindsay pointer to the non-monetary system. F**k the banks and let's start afresh now we have chance? Slim chance ... Good luck (!?*$) anyway.

I agree. I'm trying to find his post on the subject. Very insightful.

Many of the ideas are here:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthrea...at&Number=29083