Reality Options

[Phi]

with martian nymphs who have been deprived for a light year

[Hey Hey]

Or a gold meteorite.

Another? LOL

[Rick]

I'm still waiting for my first one.

[Phi]

What would you do with it

[Enki]

I'm still waiting for my first one.

It is coming Rick.

[Enki]

I mean I guess that it is coming.

[Phi]

hairballs...very funny

[Rick]

What would you do with it

Use it as proof of the existence of the supernatural. Or at least weird coincidence.

[rhymer]

Phi,

I love your animated avatar - it reminds me of a cross between the Loch Ness monster and a sheep.

[trojan_libido]

Haha, I think its a Pokemon.

Can we design reality?

I'm sure we could attempt to implement things which have less of an immediate impact and be more a part of the long term design of culture. I understand this is in no way the designing you were originally talking about. I couldn't say whether the reactions between atoms were at some point fluid and only solidified at the Big Bang, but I can imagine what we could do if it were the case.

Maybe the scientists managing to slow light to 40mph would be the peopel to ask, since they seem to have done the impossible.

[Phi]

Phi,

I love your animated avatar - it reminds me of a cross between the Loch Ness monster and a sheep.

thx rhymer. If I come back after death, I want to look like that.

[Phi]

I think reality is being designed in every aspect as we speak. Every perspective that is consciously changed, along with the influence of other peoples idea of reality, is an example of a design.

Now if one is talking about changing physical properties, I think methods have been proven to work in some areas. I believe that one day, all aspects will one day be able to be modified...and we will become like god!

[maximus242]

What is god?

[Phi]

Hah, a lot of people hate it when I say that. I heard it somewhere and I use the term 'like God' to figuratively mean bringing out the best of their existence and the embodiment of truth.

I believe God is representative by life and all creation. God just is

[Enki]

What is god?

I think for advancing to understanding of such kind of Category a person should:

1. Accept possibility of existence of intellectual beings other than humans.
2. Accept possibility of existence of intellectual beings superior in intellect and capabilities than human kind.
3. Accept that there is a room of possibility that humans on subconscious level can somehow wirelessly exchange some sort of information between their brains even with 1-10% of accuracy of data decoding on subconscious level.
4. Accept that in that cybernetic system of brains some sort of intellectual immaterial creatures can reside.
5. Then in first approximation to call the most powerful of those immaterial creatures God of World Wide Brains-Net/Web.
6. Then accept that between all living creatures in the Universe there can be the same Net and there can reside the God of Universe Wide Brains -Net/Web (data transfer can be conducted via mechanism related with EPR paradox- thus instantaneously [the concept of the Force in Star Wars films of Mr. Lucas]).
7. Then consider possibility that all material objects are consisting of cybernetic knots called atoms that can emit information and receive it. So in that Pantheistic Cybernetic System some sort of immaterial cybernetic creatures can reside too. And so try to call the most powerful of them God of World Wide Pantheistic -Net/Web. Extending it all over the material objects and fluxes in the Universe you can come to the idea of God of Universe Wide Pantheistic -Net/Web.
8. In the same way if you consider trees and flowers you can in the same way come to the Lord of Green Elves etc, for stones and hills the King of Gnomes, King of Trolls and other interesting and respected creatures (sorry that I missed to note all), for waters and springs and underground waters the Fish King etc, for air and winds the Lord of Winds.
9. And if then you consider the Entire Cybernetic System including subatomic particles, possible parallel worlds (if such exist) etc, etc, etc, then overall you can probably find the Most Super Powerful being and in the Second Approximation you can call Him/Her God.
10. Then you can consider Time Fractal and look over all possible realizations (ensemble of most powerful beings in each realization) of that fractal like innumerable realizations of e.g. S-Attractors and maybe find the Key to the Greatest Secret of All Times: the True God - Mr. Almighty. Or maybe continue the Quest.

Hope I addressed your question properly Maximums? Is such an approach satisfactory to start Scientific Quest?
Though you can wait for the Golden a. like Rick.

Or/and then, maybe, you can travel over the world and meet him/her and drink a cup of tea with him/her and eat ice cream. That may turn to be possible as well. Why not?

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{“The stars shone through the window and the silence of the heavens seemed to be round him. He spoke at last out of his wonder and a sudden fear of that silence:
‘Who are you, Master?’ he (Frodo) asked.
‘Eh, what?’ said Tom sitting up, and his eyes glinting in the gloom. ‘Don’t you know my name yet? That’s the only answer. ...� } The Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tol'kiEn

That's the only answer... to your question Maximus...

[Hey Hey]

I believe God is representative by life and all creation. God just is

... the universe then ...

... and one word is thus redundant?

[Phi]

Yeah, I get sick of saying the same thing

[Joesus]

I believe God is representative by life and all creation. God just is

... the universe then ...

... and one word is thus redundant?

Much more than the universe and no one word is not redundant, redundancy is caused by thinking too much.

[Phi]

Yes much more, but I say universe because that's what can be induced from somebody who hasn't experience more.

[Joesus]

But if you have experienced more, what better way to lead others to their own experience of more than by speaking of it rather than to leave them in their illusions of less?

[Phi]

I don't think people are interested til they relate. Many people do not relate to you because the ideas you speak of are not fully defined to them...which leads them to think that your full of bs.

[Enki]

But if you have experienced more, what better way to lead others to their own experience of more than by speaking of it rather than to leave them in their illusions of less?

Lead others if they want to go and not jump on them and coach (ride) them like a cattle. Feel difference?

[Joesus]

Lead others if they want to go and not jump on them and coach (ride) them like a cattle. Feel difference?

Knowing the difference doesn't prevent those who jump into the identification of being the cow that is ridden from taking place.
Ego reacts violently always to the feeling of being judged, even if it is not spoken to directly.

Then there are those who draw to themselves exactly what they need for their growth, in which case guidance comes without any expectations of those in the cow mentality of doing anything other than mooing out loud in udder rejection of Truth.

God is always in perfect context. Only ego dismisses God for the judgment of the Cow mentality.

There are no victims....

[Joesus]

I don't think people are interested til they relate. Many people do not relate to you because the ideas you speak of are not fully defined to them...which leads them to think that your full of bs.

It doesn't matter. If you treat one like an idiot long enough they begin to believe they are an idiot. If you want a seed to grow into a tree you realize the tree rather than holding it to the image of a seed.
If someone is disinterested they wouldn't bother to engage themselves. More than often there is something that is of interest when one engages themself even if it is thru their intellectual judgment and personal opinion that they react.

Sometimes the heart is asking, when the intellect is saying no no no, the heart is saying yes yes yes. One has to know when by seeing thru the illusions of ignorance. This is not something you learn thru a book or a set of rules designed by personal or democratic opinion.

The best way to see and understand this is to open yourself to the reality of all experiences that invade personal opinion be it by circumstance of personalities or by circumstance of world and environmental experiences.
They are both the same in that each person designs and experiences their reality thru the underlying thoughts that dwell in the psyche.
Everyone creates the world around them as they see it and experience it.
Either its all God or all judgment, belief and opinion. It just depends on how clear the nervous system.

[Phi]

But if you have experienced more, what better way to lead others to their own experience of more than by speaking of it rather than to leave them in their illusions of less?

Lead others if they want to go and not jump on them and coach (ride) them like a cattle. Feel difference?

I feel you

[Enki]

Lead others if they want to go and not jump on them and coach (ride) them like a cattle. Feel difference?

Knowing the difference doesn't prevent those who jump into the identification of being the cow that is ridden from taking place.
Ego reacts violently always to the feeling of being judged, even if it is not spoken to directly.

Then there are those who draw to themselves exactly what they need for their growth, in which case guidance comes without any expectations of those in the cow mentality of doing anything other than mooing out loud in udder rejection of Truth.

God is always in perfect context. Only ego dismisses God for the judgment of the Cow mentality.

There are no victims....

One having ability to travel cannot self-assign activities of God following his own will.
If people are unaware it is the same as to violate their Free Will.

What you call "Rejection of Truth" is an act of free choice.

Your phrase "there are no victims" is a phrase heralding superlative cruelty hidden by pompous pride and superiority feeling over common mortals.

When people crush themselves from bridges down being led by those who want liberation from within or just blood, then is the dropping man not a victim? When people are forced to get into love by enchantment of some bastards planing to sustain the blood-line are they not victims? Etc. Your philosophy is unacceptable.
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[Joesus]

One having ability to travel cannot self-assign activities of God following his own will.
If people are unaware it is the same as to violate their Free Will.

Free will allows one to recognize themselves within God's will. Because one wills to ignore Truth does not make Truth non existent, nor does truth recede from reality, it remains a constant.

What you call "Rejection of Truth" is an act of free choice.

Unconscious choice...

Your phrase "there are no victims" is a phrase heralding superlative cruelty hidden by pompous pride and superiority feeling over common mortals.

No, that would be a supposition that God does not permeate free will among common mortals, and that those common mortals are not God. Those common mortals are not so common as they appear.

When people crush themselves from bridges down being led by those who want liberation from within or just blood, then is the dropping man not a victim? When people are forced to get into love by enchantment of some bastards planing to sustain the blood-line are they not victims? Etc. Your philosophy is unacceptable.

Your thinking is deluded by identification with common mortality...Not the God within those who draw to them the time, place and experience, regardless of their state of conscious awareness.
There are no victims, only creators conscious and unconscious in and amongst the manifestation of conscious awareness.
Otherwise its all God and its all good.

[trojan_libido]

Otherwise its all God and its all good.

All God - Yes! All Good - No way! The Universe exists because of reactions. Reactions like explosions, lightning, emotion, etc. This removes the eternally loving father from the clouds, then takes him off his throne, and finally removes his good name tag. I'd also like him to have a sex change, but thats another issue. lol.

[Joesus]

Otherwise its all God and its all good.

All God - Yes! All Good - No way! The Universe exists because of reactions. Reactions like explosions, lightning, emotion, etc. This removes the eternally loving father from the clouds, then takes him off his throne, and finally removes his good name tag. I'd also like him to have a sex change, but thats another issue. lol.

If the throne is idealized then what one sees as manifestation is altered into concepts of quality. But then if one looks through those concepts of quality they can see the throne still remains and God never moved, and that they are the ones sitting on the throne.

[trojan_libido]

Well I don't idealize the throne. I just wanted to put the opinion across that whatever 'God' is, its not a friendly personal Deity!
Sometimes Joe, you should just agree or disagree. The mystical replies can sometimes be OTT.