| maximus242 |
Nov 15, 2008, 10:03 PM
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Hi everyone, after being away for quite some time I have some new insights to share. Thoughts & opinions on this are always welcome.
Can we design reality? What a strange question, but one worth considering. Is it possible for us to design reality? To create an entirely different reality with its own set of rules unlike the ones of this universe? Thinking about this requires that one looks at current scientific theory about the formation of the universe. Aka, the big bang. Now consider this question. Why does reality behave in the way it does? Why do things react in the way they do rather than in some other way? Some people think that how atoms interact with each other has to do with the big bang. So perhaps this universe and the laws governing it, are something of random variation. Meaning, if the big bang were to occur again, it could perhaps lead to an entirely different reality and cause it to work in a completely different way. Hard to imagine, but of course its hard to imagine the universe as anything different than what it is now. Its the only thing we've ever known. So with this in mind, the universe is not something consisting of set, unmovable laws. Rather it may be no different than a chemical reaction, except this reaction causes atoms to interact with each other in different ways. The idea is that under super immense force, such as the sum of the entire universe acting on itself. That the fundamental interaction between atoms can change. Naturally, this is of course theory. However if this is true, then perhaps it is possible to engineer a reaction between atoms in a undefinable space, so that they interact with each other in a way that is different from how the atoms in our universe interact. Just imagine the possibilities... |
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| maximus242 |
Nov 29, 2008, 08:04 AM
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Right, so what I am asking is, if you are enlightened then how can you see one mans trash as a another mans treasure, which is a thing of the Ego, if enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego.
Also, is not the statement that enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego also a statement which requires the Ego and therefore negates itself? You have not stated that in your last post but you have said on other occasions that to become enlightened a person must lose their ego. I do believe that correctness can be more or less an illusion but one must pose the question how can a person be enlightened under the assumption that it requires the cessation of the Ego when that belief in itself requires an Ego to create that belief? |
| Joesus |
Nov 29, 2008, 11:29 AM
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Right, so what I am asking is, if you are enlightened then how can you see one mans trash as a another mans treasure, which is a thing of the Ego, if enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego. Also, is not the statement that enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego also a statement which requires the Ego and therefore negates itself? You have not stated that in your last post but you have said on other occasions that to become enlightened a person must lose their ego. I do believe that correctness can be more or less an illusion but one must pose the question how can a person be enlightened under the assumption that it requires the cessation of the Ego when that belief in itself requires an Ego to create that belief? UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS The final step of growth of human consciousness comes when the refined value of celestial perception melts into continual awareness of the Absolute on the outside. This is the highest level of enlightenment and is known as Unified Perpetual Consciousness or Unity. Unity Consciousness sounds impossible from the perspective of the waking state: How can the Infinite be seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelled? It makes sense only from the standpoint of one who has risen to awareness of Infinite Consciousness on the inside. There is no resolution to my heart's longing until every individual, every object is experienced as being the same Infinite Self that I am on the inside. (The essence of "The Bodhisattva Vow") How does this final stage of growth occur? Through an act of intellectual discrimination, the enlightened individual realizes that the infinite light being experienced on the outside is the same infinite light that is being experienced on the inside. The glorious celestial reality melts into Infinity. Said another way, the individual discovers that his Cosmic Beloved is his own Self. Funnily enough, all love ends up directed back at the Self. It is not directed back at the limited self of the waking state, that self cannot love anything or anyone consistently. The love is directed back at the Universal Cosmic Self of the Enlightened Mind. And that gives us the full awareness that each and everyone of us is a spark of the Divine Flame; each and every one of us is the same beneath all our surface differences. What sparks this ultimate realization? Certain treatises on the subject of Unity were written by individuals in Unity: the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana, the Upanishads, the Maharamayana (Yoga Vasishtha) of Valmiki, A Course in Miracles. The entire Vedanta (literally, End of the Veda) philosophy of ancient India was designed for those in Exalted Consciousness to rise to Unity. Another catalyst of this transformation can be the direct words of the fully enlightened to the aspirant standing at the last doorway to Unity: "Thou art That," "All this is That," "There is nothing other than That." "That" of course refers to the Absolute. At the appropriate instant of time, these great words (Mahavakyas) irrevocably crush the last taint of limitation in the mind of the evolving soul. Or this transformation can occur in a countless number of ways; Nature Herself can create the necessary conditions so that it must happen. Individual life continues to function in Unity because of leshavidya, the "last remains of ignorance." Karma (action) is divided into two types: that which is returning, regardless of our present actions, and that which lies as if dormant -- dormant because it has no chance to reach us in this lifetime. The results of our past karma are comparable to seeds. A tiny fraction of these seeds have already sprouted and are going to have effects in our life. It is as if a small amount of our storehouse of karma has gone into building a bridge to this lifetime. Beyond this bridge lies the vast majority of our karma, comparable to mountain ranges of grain, awaiting the appropriate conditions to grow. The effective pathway (such as meditation) which reveals the absolute to awareness is a divine fire which roasts these seeds so they have no potential to sprout. The bridge burned, there is no longer a connection with the past; the karma no longer has the potential to return. The seeds have been roasted in the fires of wisdom. The karma that has already sprouted creates leshavidya. This keeps the body and mind functioning in Unity. It is like a thin film of grease on the hand after one picks up a cube of butter and then drops it down again. The life continues on by force of habit; the individual essence (ego) is experienced as a thin, almost invisible membrane between two fullnesses: the inner Self is experienced as Infinite, the outer world is experienced as Infinite; what is left of the individuality is the faint, translucent boundary between these two fullnesses. This is what is meant in the Upanishads by, purnam ida, purnam idam: "This is full, that is full." This Infinite, unchanging internal experience of Eternity is not different from the Infinite, unchanging external experience of Eternity. These two full-nesses are experienced as one. This is what my Teacher meant when he said, "200% of life is the birthright of every human being." |
| maximus242 |
Nov 30, 2008, 08:37 PM
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Right, so what I am asking is, if you are enlightened then how can you see one mans trash as a another mans treasure, which is a thing of the Ego, if enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego. Also, is not the statement that enlightenment requires the cessation of the Ego also a statement which requires the Ego and therefore negates itself? You have not stated that in your last post but you have said on other occasions that to become enlightened a person must lose their ego. I do believe that correctness can be more or less an illusion but one must pose the question how can a person be enlightened under the assumption that it requires the cessation of the Ego when that belief in itself requires an Ego to create that belief? UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS The final step of growth of human consciousness comes when the refined value of celestial perception melts into continual awareness of the Absolute on the outside. This is the highest level of enlightenment and is known as Unified Perpetual Consciousness or Unity. Unity Consciousness sounds impossible from the perspective of the waking state: How can the Infinite be seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelled? It makes sense only from the standpoint of one who has risen to awareness of Infinite Consciousness on the inside. There is no resolution to my heart's longing until every individual, every object is experienced as being the same Infinite Self that I am on the inside. (The essence of "The Bodhisattva Vow") How does this final stage of growth occur? Through an act of intellectual discrimination, the enlightened individual realizes that the infinite light being experienced on the outside is the same infinite light that is being experienced on the inside. The glorious celestial reality melts into Infinity. Said another way, the individual discovers that his Cosmic Beloved is his own Self. Funnily enough, all love ends up directed back at the Self. It is not directed back at the limited self of the waking state, that self cannot love anything or anyone consistently. The love is directed back at the Universal Cosmic Self of the Enlightened Mind. And that gives us the full awareness that each and everyone of us is a spark of the Divine Flame; each and every one of us is the same beneath all our surface differences. What sparks this ultimate realization? Certain treatises on the subject of Unity were written by individuals in Unity: the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana, the Upanishads, the Maharamayana (Yoga Vasishtha) of Valmiki, A Course in Miracles. The entire Vedanta (literally, End of the Veda) philosophy of ancient India was designed for those in Exalted Consciousness to rise to Unity. Another catalyst of this transformation can be the direct words of the fully enlightened to the aspirant standing at the last doorway to Unity: "Thou art That," "All this is That," "There is nothing other than That." "That" of course refers to the Absolute. At the appropriate instant of time, these great words (Mahavakyas) irrevocably crush the last taint of limitation in the mind of the evolving soul. Or this transformation can occur in a countless number of ways; Nature Herself can create the necessary conditions so that it must happen. Individual life continues to function in Unity because of leshavidya, the "last remains of ignorance." Karma (action) is divided into two types: that which is returning, regardless of our present actions, and that which lies as if dormant -- dormant because it has no chance to reach us in this lifetime. The results of our past karma are comparable to seeds. A tiny fraction of these seeds have already sprouted and are going to have effects in our life. It is as if a small amount of our storehouse of karma has gone into building a bridge to this lifetime. Beyond this bridge lies the vast majority of our karma, comparable to mountain ranges of grain, awaiting the appropriate conditions to grow. The effective pathway (such as meditation) which reveals the absolute to awareness is a divine fire which roasts these seeds so they have no potential to sprout. The bridge burned, there is no longer a connection with the past; the karma no longer has the potential to return. The seeds have been roasted in the fires of wisdom. The karma that has already sprouted creates leshavidya. This keeps the body and mind functioning in Unity. It is like a thin film of grease on the hand after one picks up a cube of butter and then drops it down again. The life continues on by force of habit; the individual essence (ego) is experienced as a thin, almost invisible membrane between two fullnesses: the inner Self is experienced as Infinite, the outer world is experienced as Infinite; what is left of the individuality is the faint, translucent boundary between these two fullnesses. This is what is meant in the Upanishads by, purnam ida, purnam idam: "This is full, that is full." This Infinite, unchanging internal experience of Eternity is not different from the Infinite, unchanging external experience of Eternity. These two full-nesses are experienced as one. This is what my Teacher meant when he said, "200% of life is the birthright of every human being." Hmm this is very insightful, I shall have to think on this some more. Do you think an infinite intelligence could in part be seen as a subconscious mind? Or is it ethereal, existing everywhere and nowhere? |
| Joesus |
Nov 30, 2008, 09:18 PM
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Hmm this is very insightful, I shall have to think on this some more. Do you think an infinite intelligence could in part be seen as a subconscious mind? Or is it ethereal, existing everywhere and nowhere? One could say the etheric mind existing everywhere is tucked underneath (ignored by) the conscious awareness which is very small in the isolated experiences of personality that are egoic. Consciousness is not isolated in itself, nor is it limited in any way other than through the beliefs and opinions that are imagined by the intellect that is immersed in belief and opinion. In other words, it is easy enough to turn the attention towards something specific ignoring everything else but that isolation of thought cannot be maintained forever. Life and death separates such foolishness into the experiences of personality and individuality, or the foolishness of the birth of a separate personality and individuality is only capable of ending in the experience of death. Consciousness or omniscient omnipresent omnipotent intelligence itself, never dies. |
maximus242 Reality Nov 15, 2008, 10:03 PM
Enki
Hi everyone, after being away for quite some time... Nov 16, 2008, 10:55 AM
Enki E.g. Agent Jay from Men in Black film became US pr... Nov 16, 2008, 11:33 AM
Enki Thus, slowly we approach to Mr. Pullman and Golden... Nov 16, 2008, 11:37 AM
Lindsay
Hi everyone, after being away for quite some time... Nov 16, 2008, 11:45 AM
Rick Creating reality is the object of Frank Tipler... Nov 16, 2008, 01:46 PM
maximus242
Creating reality is the object of Frank Tipler... Nov 17, 2008, 09:21 AM
Phi I guess that's why the story of Jesus exists. ... Nov 16, 2008, 07:08 PM
Lindsay YOUR INVITATION TO BE PART OF A GREAT MOVEMENT TO ... Nov 16, 2008, 08:21 PM
Phi I'm not, but maybe I could expound: I think it... Nov 16, 2008, 08:34 PM
Phi BTW, when you first introduced me to the term unit... Nov 16, 2008, 08:45 PM
Phi That's why I prefer metaphysics, but each part... Nov 17, 2008, 09:33 AM
maximus242 We are too large for an atom to grasp the entirety... Nov 17, 2008, 11:15 AM
Phi Yezzur. So once we know that we can't grasp w... Nov 17, 2008, 11:19 AM
maximus242 The more we understand about the world around us, ... Nov 17, 2008, 11:28 AM
Joesus
The more we understand about the world around us,... Nov 17, 2008, 03:24 PM
Phi Ok. So is there a practical application yet? Nov 17, 2008, 11:33 AM
maximus242 Well we cant have a practical application for some... Nov 17, 2008, 11:40 AM
Enki
Well we cant have a practical application for som... Nov 17, 2008, 09:43 PM
Phi Well, I believe you answered my question....the in... Nov 17, 2008, 11:49 AM
Rick If all life is extinguished in a planetary disaste... Nov 17, 2008, 03:30 PM
maximus242 I dont know if that is a discovery but rather a hy... Nov 18, 2008, 12:59 AM
trojan_libido I think that explanation fits best. The mind is s... Nov 18, 2008, 02:03 AM
Phi I 2nd that, it seems like trojan is my long lost t... Nov 18, 2008, 07:47 AM
Rick So rick, do you think you will be able to move int... Nov 18, 2008, 08:37 AM
Lindsay Max Making no claim that I am infallible, The pne... Nov 18, 2008, 08:36 AM
Phi So I guess you don't have to worry about what ... Nov 18, 2008, 09:01 AM
Rick I may not have to worry about it, but I do. Nov 18, 2008, 09:10 AM
Phi A plane could crash into your house Nov 18, 2008, 09:11 AM
Rick Or a gold meteorite. Nov 18, 2008, 09:13 AM
Hey Hey
Or a gold meteorite.
Another? LOL Nov 18, 2008, 09:26 AM
Phi with martian nymphs who have been deprived for a l... Nov 18, 2008, 09:21 AM
Rick I'm still waiting for my first one. Nov 18, 2008, 09:45 AM
Enki I'm still waiting for my first one.
It is com... Nov 18, 2008, 11:19 AM
Phi What would you do with it Nov 18, 2008, 10:14 AM
Rick
What would you do with it
Use it as proof of the ... Nov 18, 2008, 12:15 PM
Enki I mean I guess that it is coming. :P Nov 18, 2008, 11:21 AM
Phi hairballs...very funny Nov 18, 2008, 11:35 AM
rhymer Phi,
I love your animated avatar - it reminds me ... Nov 18, 2008, 03:33 PM
Phi
Phi,
I love your animated avatar - it reminds me... Nov 19, 2008, 06:07 AM
trojan_libido Haha, I think its a Pokemon.Can we design reality?... Nov 19, 2008, 02:27 AM
Phi I think reality is being designed in every aspect ... Nov 19, 2008, 06:14 AM
maximus242 What is god? Nov 19, 2008, 10:39 PM
Enki What is god?
I think for advancing to understandi... Nov 20, 2008, 07:24 AM
Phi Hah, a lot of people hate it when I say that. I h... Nov 20, 2008, 04:17 AM
Hey Hey I believe God is representative by life and all cr... Nov 20, 2008, 10:47 AM
Joesus
I believe God is representative by life and all c... Nov 20, 2008, 06:01 PM
Phi Yeah, I get sick of saying the same thing Nov 20, 2008, 05:52 PM
Phi Yes much more, but I say universe because that... Nov 20, 2008, 06:23 PM
Joesus But if you have experienced more, what better way ... Nov 20, 2008, 09:11 PM
Enki
But if you have experienced more, what better way... Nov 22, 2008, 12:43 AM
Phi
But if you have experienced more, what better wa... Nov 22, 2008, 04:52 AM
Phi I don't think people are interested til they r... Nov 21, 2008, 05:48 AM
Joesus
I don't think people are interested til they ... Nov 22, 2008, 01:13 AM
Joesus
Knowing the difference doesn't prevent those ... Nov 22, 2008, 01:02 AM
Enki
Knowing the difference doesn't prevent those... Nov 24, 2008, 08:07 PM
Joesus
One having ability to travel cannot self-assign... Nov 24, 2008, 08:39 PM
trojan_libido All God - Yes! All Good - No way! The Un... Nov 25, 2008, 12:09 AM
Joesus
All God - Yes! All Good - No way! The U... Nov 25, 2008, 12:33 AM
trojan_libido Well I don't idealize the throne. I just want... Nov 25, 2008, 02:17 AM
Joesus
Well I don't idealize the throne.
You do.
... Nov 25, 2008, 10:41 AM
Enki Your world vision differs from mine world vision J... Nov 25, 2008, 07:19 AM
Phi Hey enki, my reality is better than yours Nov 25, 2008, 10:24 AM
Enki
Hey enki, my reality is better than yours
Well, ... Nov 25, 2008, 07:19 PM
Rick So what's better, a Christian version of Buddh... Nov 25, 2008, 11:42 AM
Joesus
So what's better, a Christian version of Budd... Nov 25, 2008, 11:59 AM
Lindsay Rick, are you aware that the great inventor, Nico... Nov 25, 2008, 02:51 PM
Rick Yes, but such a conglomeration might be in danger ... Nov 25, 2008, 03:24 PM
Lindsay But seriously, Buddhism is non-theist. No unlike C... Nov 25, 2008, 05:36 PM
Rick Then it's more a discipline or philosophy than... Nov 25, 2008, 05:47 PM
Hey Hey
Then it's more a discipline or philosophy tha... Nov 28, 2008, 09:17 AM
Enki Buddha
Huddha (B and H on keyboard are nearby) :P
... Nov 25, 2008, 07:22 PM
Lindsay WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE WAY WE USE WORDS
==... Nov 25, 2008, 08:43 PM
Joesus
We do have a way of adding a lot of negative bag... Nov 25, 2008, 09:13 PM
Phi True that. So for the record, how does one stay w... Nov 26, 2008, 09:46 AM
Joesus Still the mind and open the inner senses to receiv... Nov 26, 2008, 11:33 AM
Phi
Still the mind and open the inner senses to recei... Nov 27, 2008, 04:44 AM
Lindsay PHI, this works for me. What works for you is your... Nov 26, 2008, 08:12 PM
Phi
PHI, this works for me. What works for you is you... Nov 27, 2008, 04:46 AM
maximus242 Hmm Joesus, how does one know if they are correct ... Nov 27, 2008, 11:06 AM
Joesus Being correct is a system of measure created by Eg... Nov 27, 2008, 11:47 AM
maximus242
Being correct is a system of measure created by E... Nov 28, 2008, 10:34 PM
Joesus
[quote name='Joesus' post='94779' date='Nov 27, 2... Nov 28, 2008, 11:52 PM
Lindsay Phi, thanks for asking this.
At the risk of bein... Nov 27, 2008, 02:38 PM
trojan_libido Lindsay, begging your pardon but do you fear death... Nov 28, 2008, 04:31 PM
Lindsay TL asks.
Was it Woody Allen who said, "I jus... Nov 29, 2008, 08:30 PM
trojan_libido Well just thinking about what happens when conscio... Nov 30, 2008, 11:47 AM
Joesus Jesus had much to say about it. It just wasn't... Nov 30, 2008, 12:06 PM
Enki
Jesus had much to say about it. It just wasn... Dec 01, 2008, 09:06 AM
Lindsay TL, have you heard of the book by Dr. Norman Doidg... Nov 30, 2008, 12:46 PM
Phi It's all about the imperfection of language. ... Nov 30, 2008, 05:12 PM
trojan_libido The accumulated Knowledge and Wisdom passed down t... Dec 01, 2008, 12:38 AM
Phi I'd love to read about it. Dec 01, 2008, 10:00 AM
Joesus Seek and ye shall find....
Then it'd be up to... Dec 01, 2008, 10:45 AM
Enki
Seek and ye shall find....
Then it'd be up t... Dec 01, 2008, 10:47 AM
Joesus
"From memory." I see, so, that means t... Dec 01, 2008, 11:07 AM![]() ![]() |
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