| Rawlinson |
Sep 20, 2008, 04:19 AM
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Im not completely sure if I am posting on the right forum, but for starters I was a christian for a period of time and became confused on how the Bible should be interpreted this lead me to believe that I may be wrong. I then went onto this website and learnt of the Indian folk-tale of the elephant and the three blind men. The point of that story was that there are many interpretations (religions) but they are all of the same thing and only through understanding this can one totally understand God. After reading this I felt that I understood. I started looking into Hindu philosophy and the concept of reincarnation which I now feel is right. However, I am still confused as to where I should begin, I have contemplated reading the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu literature so as to understand because as far as I know (or think I know) already, in Hinduism, no belief should be considered wrong as they all stem from Brahman who is within everything. This is why I have considered Hinduism.
Is it possible that I can understand God through Hinduism, or should I look to other scripture and consider Hinduism as part of it all? Basically, I am searching for total understanding of God, and I don't know where to begin. I would like it if your answers would not dictate what I should do as I would like to understand myself but I feel I need a 'sign-post at the crossroads' as it were to point down the right direction without forcing me along the way. Thanks |
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| Rick |
Sep 21, 2008, 12:11 PM
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... I started looking into Hindu philosophy and the concept of reincarnation which I now feel is right. ... There are by far more people on earth now than ever before. It doesn't seem logical (perhaps fair is a better word) to me that some of us should have past lives and some of us should not. And if some of us have past lives, that raises the question of the mechanism for past life information storage and transfer. How does that work? |
| Joesus |
Sep 21, 2008, 01:16 PM
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... I started looking into Hindu philosophy and the concept of reincarnation which I now feel is right. ... There are by far more people on earth now than ever before. It doesn't seem logical (perhaps fair is a better word) to me that some of us should have past lives and some of us should not. And if some of us have past lives, that raises the question of the mechanism for past life information storage and transfer. How does that work? You are still assuming this particular planet hosts all of the intellectual life in the universe. It's like living in the United states and thinking primarily that all life that is important only lives on one continent. Without actual experience of the other cultures and beliefs the projections of what is relevant is limited to a single experience. Hinduism does not stress reincarnation as does say Buddhism but it does not leave out the relevance of the soul being timeless and with many faces. The relevance to timelessness or the now is much more prominent in the Hindu philosophy as it was originally taught than any relevance to the many separated manifestations. Hinduism stresses the reality of ONE consciousness with everything relative being THAT!! The symbolism of the Gods that exist within the Hindu culture are representations of manifest consciousness that exists in the relative world. Creation, destruction and the underlying presence that keeps things moving is symbolized by Brahma as the Creator, Siva as the Destroyer and Vishnu as the Maintainer. They are also called the 3 Gunas responsible for everything in creation. The Gunas playing upon the Gunas is creativity in action. In the relative world of the ego most identify themselves as one being. Born to live and die. Consciousness itself does not die with the body because it is the underlying nature that supports the individual life of the relative world and also engages in the experience at the same time. Time being relative but not a boundary that contain consciousness itself, all souls being projections of the One consciousness live in potential and experience at the same time. Time and space as we know it unfolds step by step like a frame by frame sequence on a film reel but we can pick up the reel and call it a movie. And we can stack many movies within a room, and if we wish.. view them at the same time or individually. Each movie could be likened to the individual experience of a life compressed between birth and death or a beginning and an end. This would be closer to the actual reality of consciousness in manifestation as we experience it in the world around us. This place in time and space is more like a bus station where we get off to take care of business, and at this particular stop in time and space is a projected event which can effect an evolutionary change within the individual soul. That advent is one reason so many are here on this planet at this time. If you assume all life began here in this world called earth, that would be presumptuous and based on information solely gathered within the confines of relative experience of this earth and all time and space as it is understood from the level of scientific understanding and popular democratic interface. The Science of Yoga however is not based on these relative rules and boundaries but the greater experience of consciousness itself without the boundaries of egoic reference. Also there are many translations of the Gita. Not all of which are translated from greater consciousness just as not all scripture in the bible is translated from literal meaning and understanding of the actual experience of God or of Jesus. |
| Rick |
Sep 22, 2008, 12:30 PM
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You are still assuming this particular planet hosts all of the intellectual life in the universe. ... If you assume all life began here in this world called earth, that would be presumptuous and based on information solely gathered within the confines of relative experience of this earth and all time and space as it is understood from the level of scientific understanding and popular democratic interface. If there are multiple civilizations in the universe, one of them had to be the first one to evolve. Maybe we are that first one. |
| Joesus |
Sep 22, 2008, 04:18 PM
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You are still assuming this particular planet hosts all of the intellectual life in the universe. ... If you assume all life began here in this world called earth, that would be presumptuous and based on information solely gathered within the confines of relative experience of this earth and all time and space as it is understood from the level of scientific understanding and popular democratic interface. If there are multiple civilizations in the universe, one of them had to be the first one to evolve. Maybe we are that first one. I don't think this particular civilization on this planet is the first to come to this level of technology, let alone fancy the idea that we as a civilization are the first to develop within the Universe. |
| Rick |
Sep 22, 2008, 04:45 PM
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I don't think this particular civilization on this planet is the first to come to this level of technology, let alone fancy the idea that we as a civilization are the first to develop within the Universe. Perhaps, but in that case, one of the other existing civilizations had to be the first one. Then, they would have been alone in the universe for a time (until the second one evolved), and during that time, it raises the question of how it is decided that some people would have past lives and some would not (assuming the population increases, at least for a time). |
| Joesus |
Sep 22, 2008, 06:02 PM
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I don't think this particular civilization on this planet is the first to come to this level of technology, let alone fancy the idea that we as a civilization are the first to develop within the Universe. Perhaps, but in that case, one of the other existing civilizations had to be the first one. Then, they would have been alone in the universe for a time (until the second one evolved), and during that time, it raises the question of how it is decided that some people would have past lives and some would not (assuming the population increases, at least for a time). That would be linear thinking and it would make linear sense if you made the assumption past lives are limited to the same location in the universe. But then what if a heavily populated planet explodes due to the sun going supernova or are killed off because of a man made bomb that destroys the planet? If the soul is not limited to being chained to time why would it be anchored or chained to space? Why couldn't the soul migrate within the universes and galaxies? Perhaps earth is the ghetto of the Galaxy rather than being uptown.... |
| Rick |
Sep 23, 2008, 07:22 AM
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Rawlinson former Christian searching for understanding of God, unsure where to begin Sep 20, 2008, 04:19 AM
lucid_dream the gita is a good place to start Sep 20, 2008, 08:19 AM
Joesus Sounds like you already had a start.. Sep 20, 2008, 10:58 AM
Rawlinson
Sounds like you already had a start..
Thanks fo... Sep 20, 2008, 11:12 AM
lucid_dream i agree with Rick. Also, reincarnation is not par... Sep 21, 2008, 12:28 PM
Orbz
Basically, I am searching for total understanding... Sep 22, 2008, 09:18 AM
graywulf
Im not completely sure if I am posting on the rig... Sep 22, 2008, 03:24 PM
Joesus
Rawlinson,
You need understand that no one can u... Sep 22, 2008, 04:26 PM
graywulf
Rawlinson,
You need understand that no one can ... Sep 22, 2008, 05:30 PM
lucid_dream has a ring of dogmatism, graywulf Sep 22, 2008, 03:33 PM
graywulf
has a ring of dogmatism, graywulf
What do you m... Sep 22, 2008, 03:40 PM
graywulf
has a ring of dogmatism, graywulf
Maybe so, may... Sep 22, 2008, 05:24 PM
lucid_dream I say Indian way is "good way" to begin.... Sep 22, 2008, 05:55 PM
graywulf
I say Indian way is "good way" to begin... Sep 22, 2008, 06:01 PM
lucid_dream Who you know who understand God? Do you understan... Sep 22, 2008, 06:05 PM

graywulf
Who you know who understand God? Do you understa... Sep 22, 2008, 07:14 PM
Joesus
Hinduism is not advanced, it, like Christianity... Sep 22, 2008, 06:06 PM
graywulf
Hinduism is not advanced, it, like Christianit... Sep 22, 2008, 07:12 PM
Joesus
Joseph,
You are one sly white man
Who said I wa... Sep 22, 2008, 07:18 PM
graywulf
Joseph,
You are one sly white man
Who said I w... Sep 22, 2008, 07:38 PM
Rick From Dictionary.com:
"unfounded positiveness... Sep 22, 2008, 03:57 PM
graywulf
From Dictionary.com:
"unfounded positivenes... Sep 23, 2008, 11:12 AM
Joesus No need to understand religions. They all are fal... Sep 22, 2008, 07:54 PM
graywulf
No need to understand religions. They all are fa... Sep 22, 2008, 08:43 PM
Joesus
Ah Joseph, you get part of it right and part o... Sep 23, 2008, 12:08 AM
graywulf
Ah Joseph, you get part of it right and part ... Sep 23, 2008, 06:13 AM
Joesus
Grandfather said, In the beginning was the Ear... Sep 23, 2008, 09:34 AM
graywulf
[quote name='tonto' post='92785' date='Sep 23, 20... Sep 23, 2008, 10:24 AM

Joesus
Oh, great wise one. So, this is what you think... Sep 23, 2008, 10:34 AM
Rick We'll leave the light on for ya...
Thanks. I... Sep 23, 2008, 11:13 AM
Joesus
We'll leave the light on for ya...
Thanks. ... Sep 23, 2008, 11:19 AM
lucid_dream how old are you, graywulf? I ask because, well, I... Sep 23, 2008, 07:16 AM
lucid_dream graywulf, I think you're taking the multiplici... Sep 23, 2008, 10:29 AM
graywulf
graywulf, I think you're taking the multiplic... Sep 23, 2008, 10:34 AM
Joesus
I take it as it is. I do not interpret it, li... Sep 23, 2008, 10:55 AM
graywulf
I take it as it is. I do not interpret it, l... Sep 23, 2008, 11:03 AM
Joesus I can only reflect what you are actually giving me... Sep 23, 2008, 11:12 AM
graywulf
I can only reflect what you are actually giving m... Sep 23, 2008, 11:23 AM
Joesus American Indian Myths
American Indian tribes shar... Sep 23, 2008, 11:18 AM
lucid_dream Wow, Indian mythology is quite imaginative, like a... Sep 23, 2008, 12:01 PM
graywulf
Wow, Indian mythology is quite imaginative, like ... Sep 25, 2008, 03:49 PM
Joesus From wiki:
Deloria was criticized for his embrace ... Sep 25, 2008, 04:10 PM
graywulf
From wiki:
Deloria was criticized for his embrace... Sep 25, 2008, 04:33 PM
Joesus One of my many, but not so famous talents. Sep 25, 2008, 04:55 PM
graywulf
One of my many, but not so famous talents.
Do y... Sep 25, 2008, 08:22 PM
Joesus
One of my many, but not so famous talents.
Do ... Sep 25, 2008, 08:48 PM
Lindsay ABOUT REINCARNATION, which I look at with an open... Sep 25, 2008, 08:36 PM
Rick ... There are several passages in the Bible, inclu... Sep 26, 2008, 07:14 AM
Joesus The condition of the mind and body directly affect... Sep 26, 2008, 11:08 AM
Lindsay THE BAD NEW IS
Rick, as you say, "Human memo... Sep 26, 2008, 12:12 PM
Rick ... Without any prompting from us, Catherine did h... Sep 26, 2008, 12:56 PM
trojan_libido Mr. Dream, you are most wrong. Hinduism is not adv... Oct 02, 2008, 12:53 AM
Rick @Rick/Lindsay: I dont believe reincarnation can b... Oct 02, 2008, 07:01 AM
trojan_libido Animism tends to include shamanic practices which ... Oct 04, 2008, 02:37 AM
Lindsay TL, this also fits in with the concept of reincar... Oct 04, 2008, 11:11 AM
Joesus
NATURE/NURTURE; HEREDITY/ENVIRONMENT
At this po... Oct 05, 2008, 09:50 AM
Lindsay Sure as shootin', some self-appointed, long-w... Oct 05, 2008, 04:43 PM
Joesus
Some self appointed Guru might, but the statemen... Oct 05, 2008, 05:04 PM
trojan_libido Disappointed that this thread is beginning to go o... Oct 05, 2008, 11:08 PM
Joesus
Disappointed that this thread is beginning to go ... Oct 05, 2008, 11:14 PM
graywulf
Disappointed that this thread is beginning to go... Oct 06, 2008, 07:55 AM
trojan_libido fractal expressions can be recursive linear functi... Oct 06, 2008, 08:46 AM
Lindsay RECENTLY, IN SCIENCE-AGOGO, I WROTE THE FOLLOWING.... Oct 06, 2008, 10:20 AM
Joesus
RECENTLY, IN SCIENCE-AGOGO, I WROTE THE FOLLOWING... Oct 06, 2008, 11:06 AM
trojan_libido I'm sorry if I've ever come across as a wi... Oct 06, 2008, 12:00 PM
Lindsay TL:
Your comment about "the spirit animating ... Oct 06, 2008, 08:46 PM
Hey Hey Is the past life of mentally deficient humans rele... Oct 06, 2008, 09:00 PM
Joesus Contrast is sometimes relevant to making a change.... Oct 06, 2008, 10:14 PM
trojan_libido Is the past life of mentally deficient humans rele... Oct 06, 2008, 11:05 PM
Joesus Nice. Oct 07, 2008, 12:46 AM
Phi Here's one: If you had the choice to believe i... Oct 07, 2008, 05:05 AM
Rick If you must believe, then believe in Zeus, the fat... Oct 07, 2008, 07:14 AM
trojan_libido If your going to believe in an artistic representa... Oct 07, 2008, 09:09 AM
trojan_libido 1. God exists
2. God does not exist
In #1, non-be... Oct 07, 2008, 09:20 AM
Rick Seriously though, can someone answer me a question... Oct 07, 2008, 11:04 AM
trojan_libido How do you move mass without expending energy? Oct 07, 2008, 11:43 AM
Rick
How do you move mass without expending energy?
Re... Oct 07, 2008, 12:13 PM
trojan_libido I understand what your saying, but complete energy... Oct 07, 2008, 01:52 PM
Rick You realise what I'm asking is whether polarit... Oct 07, 2008, 02:48 PM
Phi Well, that's how I started out, although I did... Oct 07, 2008, 02:30 PM
trojan_libido Consciousness, or at least brain activity, is defi... Oct 07, 2008, 11:29 PM
Rick What's so special about the number two? Why no... Oct 08, 2008, 07:44 AM
trojan_libido Simply mathematical order, 1 then 2! When did... Oct 08, 2008, 11:23 PM
Rick A tripod is the most stable structure. The prieste... Oct 09, 2008, 07:29 AM
P.j.S
A tripod is the most stable structure. The priest... Oct 03, 2009, 08:59 AM
Hey Hey Just because evolution hasn't invented a third... Oct 03, 2009, 09:10 AM
P JayS
Just because evolution hasn't invented a thir... Sep 15, 2012, 06:10 AM
trojan_libido The Oracles of Delphi seem to have been poor girls... Oct 09, 2008, 02:13 PM
Rick As we move further into abstraction (subatomic, qu... Oct 09, 2008, 02:18 PM
trojan_libido We've only just began to explore fractal mathe... Oct 09, 2008, 02:45 PM
Rick But fractals do not accurately describe trees, clo... Oct 09, 2008, 03:17 PM
trojan_libido Thats a non-issue really. It is massively more re... Oct 10, 2008, 02:49 AM![]() ![]() |
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