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post Feb 20, 2003, 11:48 AM
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What is the Singularity? Different people mean different things by this term. For me, the Singularity refers to the point of time in the future when human consciousness, at both the personal and species level, experiences an abrupt transition, a phase transition of sorts, into a state of transcendence that is conceptually impossible for us to imagine "what it's like" with our current limited cognitive abilities.

My usage of the term "Singularity" is an analogy to the well-known singularity in physics, the black hole, where you cannot see beyond the event horizon because light cannot escape from it. In a similar manner, we cannot see (or imagine) what's beyond the consciousness Singularity because it's beyond our cognitive (or imaginative) capabilities.

Imagine, if you will, what a monkey would experience if suddenly it's consciousness became like that of a human. Before the transition, the monkey would be incapable of imagining what it's like to be human simply because it's beyond it's cognitive capabilities. In the same way, I believe our species will undergo such transitions in our consciousness of such magnitude that we cannot even begin to imagine what these new states of consciousness are like.

At the Singularity, history as we know it, will cease. The universe, as we experience it now, will cease. Consider the most transcendent and mystical states of consciousness that have yet been experienced by mankind: these will pale in comparison with what's to come! This is the Singularity. And there won't be just one Singularity, but many, as consciousness overcomes and transcends itself, over and over again.

Our consciousness will be expanded beyond the confines of an egocentric sense of self to include transpersonal experiences and transcendent self-identity. This new existence will be both a form of collective consciousness and a form of expanded individual consciousness. Though sounding like a contradiction, realize that these two descriptions of transcendent consciousness are really two sides of the same coin. The Singularity is so far beyond our experience and knowledge today that we cannot even begin to comprehend it, unless we ourselves experience transcendent states of consciousness.

How do we realize the Singularity? How do we experience transcendent states of consciousness? See http://brainmeta.com/index.php?p=expandconsciousness for an answer.
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QUOTE(lucid_dream @ Dec 11, 2008, 10:27 PM) *

Aww, Trip, you took down my pic of me on the SF beach with my dog? I thought it was funny, though I have better pics at http://ucdavis.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3224315 .

GC, I have described aspects of this experience at http://brainmeta.com/index.php?p=consciousness-expansion .

It's interesting to read over this old stuff. I still think Joe (or Joesus) is mistaken on several fronts by his overemphasis of the One at the expense of the Many, and of his disregard for the neural basis of our consciousness. I don't think wisdom and enlightenment translates into escaping from the world and sitting under a Bodhi tree all your life, but rather that the more wisdom and enlightenment one has, the more one will be inspired towards enlightened and intelligent action. Wisdom and enlightenment does not compel one to retire from the world, but to be fully a part of it, to express the divine nature that we are lucky to partake in.

QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 12, 2004, 01:11 PM) *
It seems to me, then, that the TS (Technological Singularity) will come first, and the CS (Consciousness Singularity) will follow in time. Is there any conceptual frame or paradigm that has a better resolution of this?

I disagree, Rick. The CS will precede the TS (if you define the TS as the creation of smarter-than-human machines). The CS does not require that we fully understand the brain, only that we understand enough of in order to bring about the CS, whereas the TS kind of requires that we fully understand how the brain is computing and are able to replicate it in machines. On this basis, I think the CS will come first.


I am mostly interested in your personal experiences.
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Shawn   "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikula   Feb 20, 2003, 11:48 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 11, 2003, 03:21 PM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 11, 2003, 06:06 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 02:17 AM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 03:16 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 07:03 AM
The_Raven   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 09:11 AM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 04:23 PM
RikaB   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 12, 2003, 09:15 PM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 03:01 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 05:51 AM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 06:16 AM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 10:43 AM
GodConsciousness   What people refer to as God-consciousness or c...   Dec 10, 2008, 09:18 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 12:08 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 01:38 PM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 13, 2003, 10:04 PM
satan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 12:34 AM
satan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 12:39 AM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 05:54 AM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 08:57 AM
satan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 09:34 AM
Dan   Behold!   May 14, 2003, 10:59 AM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 12:08 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 01:27 PM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 02:58 PM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 08:04 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 14, 2003, 08:22 PM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 15, 2003, 03:21 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 15, 2003, 03:46 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 15, 2003, 04:05 PM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 15, 2003, 07:44 PM
Shawn   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 18, 2003, 08:11 AM
Lindsay   'Shawn' date='May 18, 08:11 AM' po...   Jun 04, 2006, 12:40 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 18, 2003, 07:59 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 19, 2003, 03:28 PM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 03:24 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 05:51 AM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 07:32 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 08:16 AM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 09:09 AM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 09:38 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 10:23 AM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 10:32 AM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 10:34 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 01:59 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 03:22 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 20, 2003, 05:43 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 21, 2003, 05:52 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 21, 2003, 06:07 PM
Dan   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 22, 2003, 06:44 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 22, 2003, 07:55 AM
synthesis   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 22, 2003, 09:27 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   May 22, 2003, 11:24 AM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 25, 2003, 10:31 PM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 26, 2003, 04:33 AM
numinoso   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 26, 2003, 08:58 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 26, 2003, 11:19 AM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 28, 2003, 08:24 AM
joe   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 28, 2003, 12:23 PM
synchronox   Re: "The Consciousness Singularity" by Shawn Mikul   Jun 29, 2003, 03:30 AM
Rick   The consciousness singularity (CS), as I understa...   Aug 12, 2004, 01:11 PM
lucid_dream   Aww, Trip, you took down my pic of me on the SF be...   Dec 11, 2008, 07:27 PM
Trip like I do   Aww, Trip, you took down my pic of me on the SF b...   Dec 11, 2008, 07:34 PM
Rick   It seems to me, then, that the TS (Technological S...   Dec 15, 2008, 09:05 AM
code buttons   Not being exactly sure what the CS is, how do we ...   Dec 15, 2008, 11:47 AM
Rick   Not being exactly sure what the CS is, how do we...   Dec 15, 2008, 12:46 PM
code buttons   [quote name='code buttons' post='95552' date='Dec...   Dec 15, 2008, 01:09 PM
Joesus   It's interesting to read over this old stuff...   Dec 15, 2008, 11:08 AM
lucid_dream   By the way. What happened to the forum where you u...   Dec 15, 2008, 03:43 PM
Joesus   [quote name='Joesus' post='95549' date='Dec 15, 2...   Dec 15, 2008, 04:59 PM
lucid_dream   hi Joesus, try clicking on Options in the upper ri...   Dec 15, 2008, 05:09 PM
lucid_dream   I'm glad it works now. with enough people r...   Dec 15, 2008, 07:23 PM
Joesus   I'm glad it works now. with enough people ...   Dec 15, 2008, 07:47 PM
maximus242   Manipulation is both useful and utterly horrifying...   Jun 04, 2006, 02:59 PM
Lindsay   What about matters having to do with morals and et...   Jun 04, 2006, 07:36 PM
maximus242   Most people like to believe they cant, but truth b...   Jun 05, 2006, 10:23 AM
Lindsay   Most people like to believe they can't, but t...   Jun 05, 2006, 02:12 PM
Steppenwolf   Who said consciousness was evolving? What's th...   Jun 05, 2006, 10:43 AM
maximus242   :P can conciousness evolve or just change?   Jun 05, 2006, 02:03 PM
Trip like I do   This guy, the founder of this forum I believe, is ...   Dec 10, 2008, 09:35 PM
Hey Hey   This guy, the founder of this forum I believe, is...   Dec 10, 2008, 10:39 PM
Trip like I do   ahaha.... ok, so you do have a sense of humour...   Dec 11, 2008, 07:31 PM
GodConsciousness   Aww, Trip, you took down my pic of me on the SF b...   Dec 11, 2008, 07:58 PM
Rick   We are not descended from the Neanderthals. Homo S...   Dec 15, 2008, 01:23 PM
code buttons   We are not descended from the Neanderthals. Homo ...   Dec 15, 2008, 01:32 PM
Rick   On the Neanderthals, there is convincing evidence ...   Dec 15, 2008, 01:46 PM
Lindsay   "... Neanderthals. Homo Sapiens (we) extermin...   Dec 15, 2008, 02:29 PM
Rick   "... Neanderthals. Homo Sapiens (we) extermi...   Dec 15, 2008, 02:42 PM
Lindsay   Just a technical matter, Rick: The buttons that us...   Dec 15, 2008, 03:10 PM
Rick   I have no problems with the BrainMeta features. I...   Dec 15, 2008, 03:48 PM
Joesus   That did it. Must have happened when I did the las...   Dec 15, 2008, 05:29 PM
GodConsciousness   The Consciousness Singularity will not come about...   Dec 17, 2008, 09:15 AM
Rick   ... Modern neuroscience will enable us to further ...   Dec 17, 2008, 09:31 AM
GodConsciousness   ... Modern neuroscience will enable us to further...   Dec 17, 2008, 09:43 AM
code buttons   Maybe, but it's not certain. It could be that...   Dec 17, 2008, 10:03 AM
Joesus   Maybe, but it's not certain. It could be tha...   Dec 17, 2008, 10:44 AM
GodConsciousness   [quote name='code buttons' post='95645' date='Dec...   Dec 17, 2008, 11:12 AM
code buttons   I'm shooting for a position with those that w...   Dec 17, 2008, 11:29 AM
Rick   Time will tell.   Dec 17, 2008, 10:02 AM
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