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post Aug 15, 2008, 11:41 PM
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Hello fellow dreamers and dreamets. I have noticed some talk about lucid dreaming here and there at brain meta, but I haven't yet seen a topic/section dedicated to it exclusively. If it's not too forward of me I'd like to start this one up for further discussions on the subject.

I hope this reaches you well oneironauts of the REM table!:)

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post Aug 16, 2008, 07:26 AM
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it's a good idea to try to consolidate and centralize info over lucid dreaming. Here are other threads that are most relevant:
Looking for lucid dream inducing drugs
corpus callosum, lucid dreaming
Aware while sleeping
Lucid Dreaming herbs and enhancers

And here's one that you have to search a bit to find the relevance, but it's there:
Brain: Constructs rather than mirrors reality
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post Aug 16, 2008, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(lucid_dream @ Aug 16, 2008, 07:26 AM) *

it's a good idea to try to consolidate and centralize info over lucid dreaming. Here are other threads that are most relevant:
Looking for lucid dream inducing drugs
corpus callosum, lucid dreaming
Aware while sleeping
Lucid Dreaming herbs and enhancers

And here's one that you have to search a bit to find the relevance, but it's there:
Brain: Constructs rather than mirrors reality

Thanks for posting those lucid. Good thought.
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post Aug 16, 2008, 05:15 PM
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funny thing; because I saw this post yesterday, I think it primed me to lucid dream last night....

The way it came about in the dream was strange; I was meeting someone at work on Sunday, and at that point, I became aware of the fact that I must be dreaming because this person I was meeting with never works on the weekend.... and when I became aware I was dreaming, at that instant, I woke up. Not much for a lucid dream... will have to prime myself for it again tonight.

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post Aug 23, 2008, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(lucid_dream @ Aug 16, 2008, 05:15 PM) *

funny thing; because I saw this post yesterday, I think it primed me to lucid dream last night....

The way it came about in the dream was strange; I was meeting someone at work on Sunday, and at that point, I became aware of the fact that I must be dreaming because this person I was meeting with never works on the weekend.... and when I became aware I was dreaming, at that instant, I woke up. Not much for a lucid dream... will have to prime myself for it again tonight.

That's great! I think the more we are reminded during the day about lucid dreaming; the more likely we will actually have them. Too bad it was so short. I've had that happen so many times:( More recently though I've been having more lasting ones. ???
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post Aug 25, 2008, 11:29 PM
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Best way to begin lucid dreaming is with a dream journal. Keep it by your bed and record as much as you can on waking. It may also be a good idea to set your alarm to around 2-3am, so you are woken at a time you should be dreaming.

L_D: I've had that happen a few times, when you realise your dreaming, you'll either be woken straight up or whisked away in another dream. I believe its some kind of internal mechanism, because becoming lucid is actually circumventing the bodies paralysis and movie showing smile.gif
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post Aug 26, 2008, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Aug 25, 2008, 11:29 PM) *

Best way to begin lucid dreaming is with a dream journal. Keep it by your bed and record as much as you can on waking. It may also be a good idea to set your alarm to around 2-3am, so you are woken at a time you should be dreaming.

Sometimes I set my alarm to go off about 6 or 7 hours after I've gone to sleep, stay up an hour or two, then go back to sleep for an hour or two. This method seems to work well for me. I learned of it from Stephen Laberge's book, Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. I don't remember how REM cycles work exactly, but I think they become more frequent as the night progresses.

Is 2-3am the best time to do that for some reason?
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post Oct 21, 2008, 12:39 PM
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What are the main differences between lucid dreaming and astral projection?
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post Oct 22, 2008, 06:56 AM
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Lucid dreaming is a verified practice. Astral projection is considered pseudo-science which has its roots in Lucid Dreaming. You will get results from lucid dreaming, you will fill your head with cartoons trying to astrally project. Lucid dreaming is taking the minds creativity and consciousness and making it work for your own pleasure. You're lucid in worlds of your own creation. Astral projection is using an astral body to go to both physical and mental places. You can apparently visit the waiting place for newly deceased people, or another time, or somewhere real today (bodies in UK, minds flying across Egypt etc). Its never been verified and should have been by now given the amount of study done on sleep and lucidity. I'd call it a false practice.

In regards to the 2-3am thing, you are more likely to be dreaming at 2-3am and if you are awoken then you can remember your dreams for your journal. This practise also helps you gain lucidity. Its also possible to wake up at 2-3am and go back to sleep 5-15 minutes after and gain lucidity.
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post Jan 02, 2009, 01:53 PM
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imagine having a lucis dream, and being able to picture beautiful women in your head, meet them and then u know what lol. That'd be so cool!!
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post Jan 02, 2009, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(nito @ Jan 02, 2009, 01:53 PM) *

imagine having a lucis dream, and being able to picture beautiful women in your head, meet them and then u know what lol. That'd be so cool!!

why have lucid dreams about this when you can easily do it in real life. It's somewhat funny that I've never had a lucid dream involving beautiful women. They've generally involved doing otherwise impossible things, like flying into the stars or over cities, or making things magically materialize.
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post Feb 09, 2009, 12:02 AM
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Sex whilst flying would be cool. "LOOK OUT BELOW! BODY FLUIDS COMING YOUR WAY!" biggrin.gif

When sex is involved in my dreams, it tends to be always short of the goal somehow. Either interuptions, the dream repeating the awkwardness or something else silly.

I just have sex or watch porn in real life, and save the little lucidity I get to feel the wind in my hair or experience the speed of sound.
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post Feb 09, 2009, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(lucid_dream @ Jan 02, 2009, 04:07 PM) *

why have lucid dreams about this when you can easily do it in real life. It's somewhat funny that I've never had a lucid dream involving beautiful women. They've generally involved doing otherwise impossible things, like flying into the stars or over cities, or making things magically materialize.

What's your method or system or diet like in order to accelerate or just produce lucid dreaming?
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post Feb 09, 2009, 11:49 PM
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For me its when I detox and stop drinking and smoking. My dreams come back in full effect, often lucidly. My method is simply to take notice of your dreams, go to bed early, wake yourself up with an alarm around 2am, go to the toilet and back to bed. This is usually enough to give me a glimpse of lucidity. Holding on to it is the tricky part.
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post Feb 10, 2009, 08:32 AM
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I prefer to get a good night's sleep and pay little attention to dreams. I find that full consciousness is much more rewarding.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 10, 2009, 08:32 AM) *

I prefer to get a good night's sleep and pay little attention to dreams. I find that full consciousness is much more rewarding.

Rick, if you've ever experience a lucid dream, I can guarantee you: You would like to have it again. I'm just not willing to take any chemicals to accomplish this; as of right now.
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post Feb 10, 2009, 01:01 PM
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I have had some very vivid dreams, and even though I have awakened with what I thought were interesting thoughts or inventions from dreams, I eventually have concluded that waking consciousness is more productive creatively. I prefer to let my unconscious creativity remain unconscious until it's good and ready. Why chase it?
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post Feb 10, 2009, 02:09 PM
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Did anyone just see the BBC Horizon programme on Dreams? Near the end they did a bit on lucid dreaming. It wasn't a very enlightening programme for the already well informed, but worth a view if you want something to watch to help you go to sleep!
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QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 10, 2009, 01:01 PM) *

I have had some very vivid dreams...

Vivid dreams are not lucid dreams:
http://www.luciddreaminginfo.com/?p=163
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Feb 10, 2009, 11:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 10, 2009, 01:01 PM) *

I have had some very vivid dreams...

Vivid dreams are not lucid dreams:
http://www.luciddreaminginfo.com/?p=163
but lucid dreams can be vivid dreams ...
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post Feb 10, 2009, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Feb 10, 2009, 04:01 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Feb 10, 2009, 11:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 10, 2009, 01:01 PM) *

I have had some very vivid dreams...

Vivid dreams are not lucid dreams:
http://www.luciddreaminginfo.com/?p=163
but lucid dreams can be vivid dreams ...

"This happens once you have already begun to dream and during the dream, you come to the realization that you are indeed dreaming. At this point, you have brought an element of control to the dream because your conscious mind is now involved."

Been there, done that.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 11, 2009, 12:18 AM) *

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Feb 10, 2009, 04:01 PM) *

QUOTE(code buttons @ Feb 10, 2009, 11:39 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Feb 10, 2009, 01:01 PM) *

I have had some very vivid dreams...

Vivid dreams are not lucid dreams:
http://www.luciddreaminginfo.com/?p=163
but lucid dreams can be vivid dreams ...

"This happens once you have already begun to dream and during the dream, you come to the realization that you are indeed dreaming. At this point, you have brought an element of control to the dream because your conscious mind is now involved."

Been there, done that.
You will need to do it again and in REM be stimulated by a light and your eyes react. Otherwise it's anecdotal.
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post Feb 11, 2009, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Feb 10, 2009, 10:09 PM) *
Did anyone just see the BBC Horizon programme on Dreams? Near the end they did a bit on lucid dreaming. It wasn't a very enlightening programme for the already well informed, but worth a view if you want something to watch to help you go to sleep!
I saw it Hey Hey, I was pleased they implied I was special for having the ability. wink.gif lol. Its good to have mainstream evidence for the few that still believe its pseudo science. My colleague at work thinks its BS, and he missed it! Damn.

Best statement in the programme:

"We're always dreaming, the only difference is when we're awake we're guiding the dream with the senses, when we're asleep its guided/generated internally."

Thats quite profound for the average Joe.
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QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Feb 11, 2009, 12:17 AM) *

"We're always dreaming, the only difference is when we're awake we're guiding the dream with the senses, when we're asleep its guided/generated internally."

Thats quite profound for the average Joe.

It's not Joe, it's Joesus laugh.gif
But Seriously, thought: That's a powerfull statement coming from... Who is it coming from?
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post Feb 11, 2009, 06:56 AM
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I've no idea on the names of the people in the documentary. I've no excuse, I just don't care enough to remember biggrin.gif
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Afternoon naps after an intake of piracetam, alpha gpc, vinpocetine and most importantly l huperzine a is a good start in the direction of lucidity or at the very least a memorable dream. Try to focus on relaxation and look at the black space inside your mind and watch for basic visuals to occur (works best when very tired), and try and hold on to awareness. Also, digital time cannot be read in dreams and light switches don't work. Mirrors are supposed to be weird too. Watch the film 'Waking Life' director Richard Linklater for a nice insight into things and stuff.

Flight in a dream is something I've 'dreamed' of having in a dream. I once attempted it by creating hurricanes and bringing them towards me, lifting me up in their eye. Unfortunately i never got past zero gravity. The rest of the dream was spent in acid like visuals. First lucid dream I experienced involved imagining cars and the keys being conveniently inside them. Good times. Another involved zombies but the friggin shot gun didn't appear on the bed.

On a stranger note, i've become conscious of dreams for a short while, then they 'crash'. Imagine your dream as a TV, it freezing, and going on right angles. It eventually trickled off into another dream. Other times i've woken in sleep paralysis.. most disturbing.
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post May 04, 2009, 11:30 AM
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I don't like lucid dreams. I'd rather be awake and so I wake up.
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post May 04, 2009, 11:34 AM
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Joseph Murphy wrote a lot of books of the subconscious minds and the interactions it has on dreams and dreams recall. He even mentions how to dream what you would like to dream because the subconscious mind reflect anything you trully believe in...really interesting author.

http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=se...s=joseph+murphy

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QUOTE(Rick @ May 04, 2009, 11:30 AM) *

I don't like lucid dreams. I'd rather be awake and so I wake up.


Into another dream???

Lucid dreaming is a well-spring of possibilities for the expression of creative energy. Not only that but, those different experiences you have while lucid dreaming can carry over into this world. Especially the Creative aspect.

For me, lucid dreaming is worth the energetic investment. The possibillities within are more staggering than most people know, or even care to. Maybe this is a part of the schema that would have us dismissing dreams as imaginary. To me--they aren't exactly. I can hardly deny this part of life out of mere preference for a more familliar one. There's just too much I don't know about it's ultimate potential, and too much I suspect.

Not to mention my problem with time. I just don't have much.
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Of corse...it may turn out to be less productive in certain areas; no doubt.
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