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YoungS
post May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
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This is a forum about the human brain so I think i'm at the right place to suggest to start a topic about this.

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post Oct 02, 2008, 09:09 AM
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Whatever takes place in the evolution of the species as a reflection of consciousness and its experience is/can be manifest within creation.

You're vision or subconscious expression is not like most of scripture, cognized from a deeper level of thought than the ego.
If the mind is clear and doubts removed, then reality is clearly seen. If intuition is clouded by the pounding thoughts of surface thinking, reasoning through belief, programming and conditioning, doubt and idealizing, through the limitations and restrictions of the egoic identification of reality we draw intuition into a box to change it to feel and fit into what is called normal to ones own experience.
Because experience and conscious awareness can evolve, the box will change.

Expulsion is a good word, there are layers of reality that have their own natural laws, and we often intuit the nature of reality beyond the one limited to physical birth and death.

The Garden of Eden is both symbolic and a manifestation of reality.
Adam and eve without clothes is the human psyche without conditioned beliefs, the mind and its masculine and feminine aspects working in innocence together in harmony with each other.
This is not an impossibility to imagine as a way of life in an evolutionary scene of humanity in a time and place that could be our future or our past.
The snake represents the ego and its nature of drawing the senses outward into the world of objects to distract us from our own true being saturated in spirit, love, omniscient wisdom and omnipresence.
It is just as real today in the thoughts that stop us from leaping off the cliffs of limitation by reason of fear and identification with beliefs in our limitations.

The spiritual world of Para is a very real world in the history of spiritual teachings. Heaven on earth is a reflection of that world and the concepts of evolution from one plane of existence into another make reference to such a world in the resurrection spoken of in the Bible and in Eastern philosophies regarding ascension.

Consciousness manifests by merging itself in the form of thought as energy into the absolute field of potential, to form experience which is translated by the ego from energy into a from of reality. Like going to the movies and watching a story unfold, but instead of leaving the theater and the story behind, the ego of the waking state awareness we are most familiar with, takes the story with it and includes it as a very real part of identification with the self and reality. The individual or personality takes what it likes and leaves the rest and so with 6 billion personalities we find commonality with ego and its limited identification but no two are exactly alike.

Original Sin is not of the origin of consciousness itself it is the origin of our belief in being mortal beings.
Original Sin is Karma or cause and effect. We carry with us baggage from the impressions of lifetimes of immersion into the movie screens of experience and the beliefs in mortality and all attachments to desire and sensory fulfillment. Karma is neither good nor bad in the sense that what we do has negative or positive applications from the awareness of consciousness. But as we identify with expansion and contraction, evolution and devolution what we create by diving into limitation or expansion lays the groundwork for what we build as lifetimes in bodies of incarnate experience through the beliefs and desires we entertain up to our physical deaths in those lifetimes that precede the incarnations of the lifetimes that follow.
Just as we progress or remain behind in the class rooms of public education if we learn and expand or fail to learn and remain behind.
The original Sin is also symbolic of the first step outward from consciousness into the manifest and that point in which mans consciousness first made the choice to identify with the world rather than its original nature as spirit or consciousness.

The fact that consciousness never really leaves its status which is free and above all that is limited by the physical realities, leaves all of the above to the illusions of ego, or an ongoing energetic of projections that come and go with the thoughts that are desire and fulfillment, which emerge and die out as creation and destruction of fading beliefs and alternating awareness from object to object.

The spiritual stories (Scripture) of the relationship between the father and the Son are the symbolic relationships of the unmanifest consciousness and its offspring, the manifest consciousness still connected to spiritual reality. The Christed human being.
The Son of man being the offspring of human frailty in limitation and identity as the object rather than the consciousness that created the object.
It, in its awareness of limitation and mortality through layers of belief intuits its relationship with something larger than limitation and thru superstition creates a Para(dise) deity which monitors its progress and judges its evolution and decides if it is worthy for heaven or hell.
But it is in reality the connection to universal laws, or the mechanics of choice/free will to identify with the object or the spirit behind the creation of the object.

Egoic Man fears its own mortality through the limited awareness of identification with it. It is what creates judgment day at the time of physical death and directs the energetics of ego toward its next experience according to what it has wrapped itself with. It can be a spiritual body similar to a Hugo or one that is like a Rolls Royce, or if it is extremely evolved a body of light.
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YoungS   God/Religion a creation of the powerfull human mind ?/!   May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
Joesus   Good topic heading. Can't wait to see if you a...   May 28, 2008, 04:31 PM
Lindsay   This is a forum about the human brain so I think ...   May 29, 2008, 08:10 PM
trojan_libido   We are the Universe experiencing itself. That is ...   May 29, 2008, 11:24 PM
Lindsay   [b]We are the Universe experiencing itself. That...   May 30, 2008, 05:18 AM
Joesus   John 17 a translation from the Aramaic texts (the ...   May 30, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   I started this topic because more than the half of...   May 31, 2008, 03:43 AM
Joesus   Survey says more than 90% which is substantially ...   May 31, 2008, 11:31 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, the feedback you just received from Joesu...   May 31, 2008, 01:55 PM
Joesus   God, beyond being encapsulated in experience doe...   May 31, 2008, 02:21 PM
YoungS   Joesus, No offence, but I don't know what the...   May 31, 2008, 03:18 PM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, unitheist/panentheist I think thi...   May 31, 2008, 03:30 PM
Lindsay   Hey Lindsay, I think this is new for me, i...   May 31, 2008, 08:15 PM
Joesus   It would stand to reason if you don't know w...   May 31, 2008, 04:06 PM
Lindsay   YoungS: =======ooo000ooo====== I think of GØD a...   May 31, 2008, 08:33 PM
YoungS   hey guys i'll respond tuesday when I got my ne...   Jun 01, 2008, 04:11 AM
trojan_libido   Hearing someone elses voice in your own head is sc...   Jun 01, 2008, 11:35 PM
YoungS   The most of your post I don't know what you ...   Jun 03, 2008, 07:56 AM
YoungS   I agree Agree again, I could not come to a di...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:11 AM
YoungS   Sound more like a spiritual (connection to god) ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:31 AM
Lindsay   Sounds, to me, more like a spiritual (connectio...   Jun 03, 2008, 09:43 AM
Joesus   That depends on whether you could comprehend the ...   Jun 03, 2008, 10:19 AM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ye...   Jun 03, 2008, 12:46 PM
lindsayking   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ...   Jun 03, 2008, 04:30 PM
YoungS   Joesus, I comparing it to the average religious...   Jun 03, 2008, 02:17 PM
Joesus   No, no need to be uptight but being truthful is ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:13 PM
YoungS   You know Joesus I really wanted to comment to what...   Jun 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I understand what you wrote: ...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:20 PM
YoungS   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. You know, Jo...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:39 PM
Lindsay   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. ... But my ques...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:08 PM
YoungS   From this point I do want to continue... The ...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:07 PM
Joesus   Well it looks like you did comment even tho you ...   Jun 05, 2008, 08:06 PM
YoungS   (1)yea I think that religious people are having...   Jun 06, 2008, 04:00 AM
YoungS   @ Lindsay, I prefer a debate. (1)true, that...   Jun 06, 2008, 05:27 AM
Joesus   1) If over 90% of the human race believes in a G...   Jun 06, 2008, 08:20 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I read you: I heard you say: ...   Jun 07, 2008, 09:08 AM
rhymer   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Brai...   Jun 07, 2008, 02:49 PM
Lindsay   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Bra...   Jun 08, 2008, 12:32 PM
Joesus   Who in hell would believe that!?......   Jun 07, 2008, 09:15 PM
rhymer   I don't believe there is a place called Hell s...   Jun 08, 2008, 09:05 AM
Joesus   Using that point of reference the quote: is misrep...   Jun 08, 2008, 11:34 AM
rhymer   Lindsay, In answer to your post..... I don't ...   Jun 09, 2008, 11:39 AM
Lindsay   Lindsay, In answer to your post ... I don't t...   Jun 10, 2008, 03:50 AM
Joesus   Finding any common truth, is impossible when no on...   Jun 09, 2008, 02:19 PM
rhymer   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth i...   Jun 09, 2008, 03:43 PM
Joesus   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth ...   Jun 09, 2008, 04:48 PM
Joesus   The ego is not an evil thing, however it is the o...   Jun 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
rhymer   To answer your questions Lindsay:- "I have ...   Jun 10, 2008, 12:15 PM
Joesus   Continuing from the last post in regards to Micah ...   Jun 10, 2008, 05:38 PM
Lindsay   Rhymer you write: "No God is required for tho...   Jun 10, 2008, 06:52 PM
YoungS   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informatio...   Sep 24, 2008, 06:19 AM
Joesus   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informati...   Sep 24, 2008, 10:31 AM
trojan_libido   @YoungS: I doubt Joesus thinks the Earth was creat...   Sep 24, 2008, 07:47 AM
Rick   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 08:26 AM
Lindsay   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 05:38 PM
Joesus   Psychology isn't really a science, is it? It...   Sep 24, 2008, 05:55 PM
trojan_libido   I thought we like to keep things based in science ...   Sep 24, 2008, 11:53 PM
Rick   Magic?   Sep 25, 2008, 07:18 AM
Joesus   Spiritual science.   Sep 25, 2008, 09:10 AM
Rick   With reproducible results?   Sep 25, 2008, 02:49 PM
Joesus   Most definitely. But repeatability doesn't a...   Sep 25, 2008, 04:19 PM
YoungS   If they find out the facts they want to find: CERN...   Sep 27, 2008, 02:06 PM
Joesus   If they find out the facts they want to find: CER...   Sep 28, 2008, 08:56 AM
trojan_libido   I don't think we have even the slightest handl...   Sep 28, 2008, 11:20 PM
YoungS   As for the question of our relation with God, I...   Sep 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
Joesus   One of CERN 'primairy' goal is to ...   Sep 30, 2008, 09:28 AM
trojan_libido   What people need to learn to do is to take unbelie...   Oct 01, 2008, 05:33 AM
Rick   If you replace the singularity from before the Big...   Oct 01, 2008, 07:21 AM
trojan_libido   I hope thats true rick, I'm rubbish at sarcasm...   Oct 01, 2008, 11:31 AM
Rick   I'm a straight shooter, generally. When I get ...   Oct 01, 2008, 12:33 PM
trojan_libido   Haha, yes I guess I used the term explusion subcon...   Oct 02, 2008, 03:46 AM
Joesus   Whatever takes place in the evolution of the speci...   Oct 02, 2008, 09:09 AM
trojan_libido   The way I see it the serpent is a symbol of the pa...   Oct 02, 2008, 10:57 PM
YoungS   @Jesoes I can make this statement because I gre...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:54 AM
Joesus   @Joesus I can make this statement because I gr...   Oct 05, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   @ Trojan_Libido No comment, nice explanation of y...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:56 AM
trojan_libido   The name Jesus is an Anglicization of the Greek, i...   Oct 05, 2008, 11:20 PM
Rick   Is it co-incidence that Jesus came back to life in...   Oct 07, 2008, 06:15 AM
Hey Hey   It's autumn again. And more old chestnuts to j...   Oct 06, 2008, 07:29 PM
Joesus   If we overcome something to evolve beyond it, what...   Oct 07, 2008, 08:55 AM
Rick   Sounds like a paradox, doesn't it? The problem...   Oct 07, 2008, 10:58 AM
trojan_libido   Chasing ghosts through the tunnels of evolution...   Oct 07, 2008, 11:44 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus True, u can tell a child a fairy tail t...   Oct 09, 2008, 03:44 PM
Joesus   Weren't we discussing what is true rather th...   Oct 09, 2008, 06:46 PM
trojan_libido   Weak minded individuals who have been broken down ...   Oct 09, 2008, 11:48 PM
trojan_libido   I believe its a fine line for sure. But being awa...   Oct 10, 2008, 12:46 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus I might have gotten of track there, I a...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:28 PM
Joesus   It does not bother me what others think of me, ...   Oct 10, 2008, 06:05 PM
YoungS   U might wanna avoid the mushrooms, every year 5 t...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:54 PM
trojan_libido   You are completely wrong here. Only tobacco is co...   Oct 11, 2008, 03:26 AM
YoungS   First off all, I live in The Netherlands. This ...   Oct 11, 2008, 06:06 AM
trojan_libido   Unfortunately theres no age limit on mushroom sa...   Oct 12, 2008, 02:20 AM
YoungS   No, the major of Amsterdam came with that idea, h...   Oct 12, 2008, 03:12 AM
trojan_libido   I guess you were playing devils advocate then. Do...   Oct 14, 2008, 04:01 AM
Rick   ... 'Is the human mind a creation of the power...   Oct 14, 2008, 06:57 AM
trojan_libido   I used the term 'God process' as a referen...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:06 AM
Rick   I don't like the term "God" because ...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:56 AM
Joesus   Not liking something is not a reason to keep other...   Oct 14, 2008, 09:33 AM
Rick   Obviously "God" the word added enough in...   Oct 14, 2008, 12:54 PM
trojan_libido   People believe God created everything. I believe ...   Oct 14, 2008, 11:36 AM
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