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post May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
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This is a forum about the human brain so I think i'm at the right place to suggest to start a topic about this.

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post Jun 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
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Now, perhaps we need to dialogue on the question: What is the role of the ego? Is the ego an evil part of our nature? Is it possible to be a loving ego?

The ego is not an evil thing, however it is the only thing that will attach itself to everything that is determined to be evil.
When it comes to love, there is attached love which is love that likes and dislikes and is based on conditions. And unconditional love which is not based on attachment to conditions.
The spiritual teachings of Jesus were about unconditional love. The Love of God which supports all of creation regardless of its nature, and that includes the love for man who is attached to love of evil.

The ego identifies itself and its love according to what it wants to see and maintain in a world it calls real.
Jesus said "I and my Father are one, and my father is spirit." This meant that God the Father (whom man was made in his image), was not a thing, or an object but consciousness itself. He was eluding to the fact that the relative world was a temporary creation and that the permanent image was that of consciousness.

Micah 7
1 Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the firstripe fruit.

When man has lost his innocence he becomes withered, hardened and conditioned to internal programs of identity and attachment to what personality calls good and evil. For this man segregation is a way of life.
Jesus is saying woe is me for I have come to find the image of God tightly wound in belief, fear and separation. This is the epitome of ego that has become the master to man rather than the servant.
See the following verses..


2 The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net.

3 That they may do evil with both hands earnestly, the prince asketh, and the judge asketh for a reward; and the great man, he uttereth his mischievous desire: so they wrap it up.

4 The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of thy watchmen and thy visitation cometh; now shall be their perplexity.

5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.

Here he says trust not in a friend being that anyone who is bound to the identifications of ego will not be thinking clearly but with a mind that is attached to feelings and emotions. Clear discernment cannot be gained by a mind that is emotional, for the emotions will prejudice a mans discernment of any situation, especially reality.
The friend Jesus refers to and that which lies in thy bosom which is referred to as 'she' is the ego, that is conditional love, and the emotions


6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house.

This is the culmination of conditional love. Even in ones own house or family a son will turn against a father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter in law against her mother, for a mans enemies are chosen through the ego's attachments to likes and dislikes, beliefs and emotional attachments to self serving ideas that may go against the growth of the whole family. This is self evident in the many beliefs, religions and political ideals that become the cornerstone for the position man takes in defending and fighting for, in and amongst the individual ego identity that is the reality of each other.


7 Therefore I will look unto the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation: my God will hear me.

Therefore I will look unto the Lord, (Spirit, the Voice of God, The holy spirit, the creator of ego).




The example of Adam and Eve (intellect and emotions) being thrown out of the garden of Eden is based on the development of the ego as the foundation for perceptions of self. When the image becomes the master rather than the servant. When the Hermaphroditic spirit becomes divided by emotional love in its attachment to the earthly senses and one becomes lost to ones own nature.

"Our birth is but a sleep and forgetting: / The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star,
Hath had elsewhere its setting, / And cometh from afar:
Not an entire forgetfulness, / And not in utter nakedness,
But trailing clouds of glory do we come / From God, who is our home:
Heaven lies about us in our infancy! / Shades of the prison-house begin to close
Upon the growing Boy, / But He beholds the light, and whence it flows,
He sees it in his joy; / The Youth, who daily farther from the east
Must travel, still is Nature's Priest,
And by the vision splendid / Is on his way attended;
At length the Man perceives it die away, / And fade into the light of common day...."

-Wordsworth, "Intimations of Immortality"
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YoungS   God/Religion a creation of the powerfull human mind ?/!   May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
Joesus   Good topic heading. Can't wait to see if you a...   May 28, 2008, 04:31 PM
Lindsay   This is a forum about the human brain so I think ...   May 29, 2008, 08:10 PM
trojan_libido   We are the Universe experiencing itself. That is ...   May 29, 2008, 11:24 PM
Lindsay   [b]We are the Universe experiencing itself. That...   May 30, 2008, 05:18 AM
Joesus   John 17 a translation from the Aramaic texts (the ...   May 30, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   I started this topic because more than the half of...   May 31, 2008, 03:43 AM
Joesus   Survey says more than 90% which is substantially ...   May 31, 2008, 11:31 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, the feedback you just received from Joesu...   May 31, 2008, 01:55 PM
Joesus   God, beyond being encapsulated in experience doe...   May 31, 2008, 02:21 PM
YoungS   Joesus, No offence, but I don't know what the...   May 31, 2008, 03:18 PM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, unitheist/panentheist I think thi...   May 31, 2008, 03:30 PM
Lindsay   Hey Lindsay, I think this is new for me, i...   May 31, 2008, 08:15 PM
Joesus   It would stand to reason if you don't know w...   May 31, 2008, 04:06 PM
Lindsay   YoungS: =======ooo000ooo====== I think of GØD a...   May 31, 2008, 08:33 PM
YoungS   hey guys i'll respond tuesday when I got my ne...   Jun 01, 2008, 04:11 AM
trojan_libido   Hearing someone elses voice in your own head is sc...   Jun 01, 2008, 11:35 PM
YoungS   The most of your post I don't know what you ...   Jun 03, 2008, 07:56 AM
YoungS   I agree Agree again, I could not come to a di...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:11 AM
YoungS   Sound more like a spiritual (connection to god) ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:31 AM
Lindsay   Sounds, to me, more like a spiritual (connectio...   Jun 03, 2008, 09:43 AM
Joesus   That depends on whether you could comprehend the ...   Jun 03, 2008, 10:19 AM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ye...   Jun 03, 2008, 12:46 PM
lindsayking   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ...   Jun 03, 2008, 04:30 PM
YoungS   Joesus, I comparing it to the average religious...   Jun 03, 2008, 02:17 PM
Joesus   No, no need to be uptight but being truthful is ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:13 PM
YoungS   You know Joesus I really wanted to comment to what...   Jun 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I understand what you wrote: ...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:20 PM
YoungS   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. You know, Jo...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:39 PM
Lindsay   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. ... But my ques...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:08 PM
YoungS   From this point I do want to continue... The ...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:07 PM
Joesus   Well it looks like you did comment even tho you ...   Jun 05, 2008, 08:06 PM
YoungS   (1)yea I think that religious people are having...   Jun 06, 2008, 04:00 AM
YoungS   @ Lindsay, I prefer a debate. (1)true, that...   Jun 06, 2008, 05:27 AM
Joesus   1) If over 90% of the human race believes in a G...   Jun 06, 2008, 08:20 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I read you: I heard you say: ...   Jun 07, 2008, 09:08 AM
rhymer   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Brai...   Jun 07, 2008, 02:49 PM
Lindsay   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Bra...   Jun 08, 2008, 12:32 PM
Joesus   Who in hell would believe that!?......   Jun 07, 2008, 09:15 PM
rhymer   I don't believe there is a place called Hell s...   Jun 08, 2008, 09:05 AM
Joesus   Using that point of reference the quote: is misrep...   Jun 08, 2008, 11:34 AM
rhymer   Lindsay, In answer to your post..... I don't ...   Jun 09, 2008, 11:39 AM
Lindsay   Lindsay, In answer to your post ... I don't t...   Jun 10, 2008, 03:50 AM
Joesus   Finding any common truth, is impossible when no on...   Jun 09, 2008, 02:19 PM
rhymer   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth i...   Jun 09, 2008, 03:43 PM
Joesus   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth ...   Jun 09, 2008, 04:48 PM
Joesus   The ego is not an evil thing, however it is the o...   Jun 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
rhymer   To answer your questions Lindsay:- "I have ...   Jun 10, 2008, 12:15 PM
Joesus   Continuing from the last post in regards to Micah ...   Jun 10, 2008, 05:38 PM
Lindsay   Rhymer you write: "No God is required for tho...   Jun 10, 2008, 06:52 PM
YoungS   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informatio...   Sep 24, 2008, 06:19 AM
Joesus   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informati...   Sep 24, 2008, 10:31 AM
trojan_libido   @YoungS: I doubt Joesus thinks the Earth was creat...   Sep 24, 2008, 07:47 AM
Rick   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 08:26 AM
Lindsay   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 05:38 PM
Joesus   Psychology isn't really a science, is it? It...   Sep 24, 2008, 05:55 PM
trojan_libido   I thought we like to keep things based in science ...   Sep 24, 2008, 11:53 PM
Rick   Magic?   Sep 25, 2008, 07:18 AM
Joesus   Spiritual science.   Sep 25, 2008, 09:10 AM
Rick   With reproducible results?   Sep 25, 2008, 02:49 PM
Joesus   Most definitely. But repeatability doesn't a...   Sep 25, 2008, 04:19 PM
YoungS   If they find out the facts they want to find: CERN...   Sep 27, 2008, 02:06 PM
Joesus   If they find out the facts they want to find: CER...   Sep 28, 2008, 08:56 AM
trojan_libido   I don't think we have even the slightest handl...   Sep 28, 2008, 11:20 PM
YoungS   As for the question of our relation with God, I...   Sep 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
Joesus   One of CERN 'primairy' goal is to ...   Sep 30, 2008, 09:28 AM
trojan_libido   What people need to learn to do is to take unbelie...   Oct 01, 2008, 05:33 AM
Rick   If you replace the singularity from before the Big...   Oct 01, 2008, 07:21 AM
trojan_libido   I hope thats true rick, I'm rubbish at sarcasm...   Oct 01, 2008, 11:31 AM
Rick   I'm a straight shooter, generally. When I get ...   Oct 01, 2008, 12:33 PM
trojan_libido   Haha, yes I guess I used the term explusion subcon...   Oct 02, 2008, 03:46 AM
Joesus   Whatever takes place in the evolution of the speci...   Oct 02, 2008, 09:09 AM
trojan_libido   The way I see it the serpent is a symbol of the pa...   Oct 02, 2008, 10:57 PM
YoungS   @Jesoes I can make this statement because I gre...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:54 AM
Joesus   @Joesus I can make this statement because I gr...   Oct 05, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   @ Trojan_Libido No comment, nice explanation of y...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:56 AM
trojan_libido   The name Jesus is an Anglicization of the Greek, i...   Oct 05, 2008, 11:20 PM
Rick   Is it co-incidence that Jesus came back to life in...   Oct 07, 2008, 06:15 AM
Hey Hey   It's autumn again. And more old chestnuts to j...   Oct 06, 2008, 07:29 PM
Joesus   If we overcome something to evolve beyond it, what...   Oct 07, 2008, 08:55 AM
Rick   Sounds like a paradox, doesn't it? The problem...   Oct 07, 2008, 10:58 AM
trojan_libido   Chasing ghosts through the tunnels of evolution...   Oct 07, 2008, 11:44 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus True, u can tell a child a fairy tail t...   Oct 09, 2008, 03:44 PM
Joesus   Weren't we discussing what is true rather th...   Oct 09, 2008, 06:46 PM
trojan_libido   Weak minded individuals who have been broken down ...   Oct 09, 2008, 11:48 PM
trojan_libido   I believe its a fine line for sure. But being awa...   Oct 10, 2008, 12:46 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus I might have gotten of track there, I a...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:28 PM
Joesus   It does not bother me what others think of me, ...   Oct 10, 2008, 06:05 PM
YoungS   U might wanna avoid the mushrooms, every year 5 t...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:54 PM
trojan_libido   You are completely wrong here. Only tobacco is co...   Oct 11, 2008, 03:26 AM
YoungS   First off all, I live in The Netherlands. This ...   Oct 11, 2008, 06:06 AM
trojan_libido   Unfortunately theres no age limit on mushroom sa...   Oct 12, 2008, 02:20 AM
YoungS   No, the major of Amsterdam came with that idea, h...   Oct 12, 2008, 03:12 AM
trojan_libido   I guess you were playing devils advocate then. Do...   Oct 14, 2008, 04:01 AM
Rick   ... 'Is the human mind a creation of the power...   Oct 14, 2008, 06:57 AM
trojan_libido   I used the term 'God process' as a referen...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:06 AM
Rick   I don't like the term "God" because ...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:56 AM
Joesus   Not liking something is not a reason to keep other...   Oct 14, 2008, 09:33 AM
Rick   Obviously "God" the word added enough in...   Oct 14, 2008, 12:54 PM
trojan_libido   People believe God created everything. I believe ...   Oct 14, 2008, 11:36 AM
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