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post May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
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This is a forum about the human brain so I think i'm at the right place to suggest to start a topic about this.

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post Jun 09, 2008, 11:39 AM
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Lindsay,
In answer to your post.....

I don't think there's a word with which I can be categorised.
I was brought up as a Christian in the C. of E. and very involved up to the age of about 25 in all aspects of Church work.
I still create flower cards and Religious weekend program sheets in support of the members of my wife's Church. I have even written one poem which spurs people to support their Church; it does not presume a religion.
I do not attend any religious occasions except births, marriages and deaths.
I do not believe there any Truths behind any God(s) or Religion.
I do know that Gods reside within temples (ie. behind the forehead).
I do not believe that Gods do not exist.
I just don't know, and seek the Truth with a contented disposition.
I think perhaps the best way I can describe my thought processes is to tell you that if I do arrive at a conclusion to some preponderance, as I model my vision of the world and external Reality, I will say to myself that "It's as if .........".
But, I do not know that I found a Truth.
Nonetheless, I do believe that very often I am close to drawing the right conclusions.
I respect everyone of any opinion even though I may disagree with them. Your frequent requests for dialogue rather than argument are an excellent idea. Egos need to be kept out of discussion; finding a common Truth is hard enough without folks trying to establish themselves as seers!
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post Jun 10, 2008, 03:50 AM
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QUOTE(rhymer @ Jun 09, 2008, 11:39 AM) *
Lindsay,
In answer to your post ... I don't think there's a word with which I can be categorized.
I was brought up as a Christian in the C. of E.

Perhaps you have heard the old joke: C&E stands for Christmas and Easter. biggrin.gif Perhaps like many of us, you are a pilgrim on the pathway of life. Initially, the first Christian were called followers of the Way--the journey, the pilgrimage, not THE way. Taoism, in Chinese, means the same thing.

"I have even written one poem which spurs people to support their Church; it does not presume a religion."
Could we see the poem?

"I do not attend any religious occasions except births, marriages and deaths."
It would be interesting to know: The size of the church; how many attend; the quality of the preaching; if it is thought provoking.

"I do not believe there any Truths behind any God(s) or Religion."
What about the role many church leaders, over the centuries, have played in helping bring public, education, hospitals, prison reform, the end of slavery and many other forms of about social justice. In modern times, for example, we have had the work of Martin Luther King, who gave his life to end segregation. Look what Bishop Desmond Tutu has done, and is doing, for his fellow Africans? Is this not a truth, and of great value?

"I do know that Gods reside within temples (i.e. behind the forehead)."
Jesus taught this. The metaphor in ancient times was the heart. They had little knowledge of the human anatomy. Carl Jung, and A.N. Whitehead--panentheism (Check Wikipedia)--and others, all spoke of the god with us. To avoid confusion with pantheism, I use unitheism (also in Wikipedia), as in my signature.

"I do not believe that Gods do not exist."
Why the double negative?

"I just don't know, and seek the Truth with a contented disposition."
Rhymer, I am an agnostic about many things. But I am a very curious agnostic who is keeping an eye on the sciences, especially what is happening in physics. Professor Seth Lloyd, MIT, is doing some very interesting work about the nature of the universe. In his book by the same name, he looks at the universe as a QUANTUM COMPUTER.

"... But, I do not know that I found a Truth."
THE CHALLENGE OF MONSTROUS SUFFERING AND PAIN
For me, I want life to be an infinite and eternal, never-ending and enjoyable process--like an interesting game, with just enough pain and challenge to make it interesting. Perhaps if we can learn how to harness the god-like power in the brain and the heart we will get the wisdom and power to do something about the monstrous kinds of suffering and pain--the kind which has no gain-value.

THE POWER OF INTENTIONAL LOVE
I have this feeling that there is great power for good in simply desiring to have a moral, ethical and loving intention--even towards people who are not all that good, and towards circumstances which are down right miserable. And I am not talking about just "whistling in the dark", trying to be a "Pollyanna" or finding a "Shangrila".

Wayne Dyer writes about this and lectures widely on THE POWER OF INTENTION. It activates what is called "the law of attraction"-- mentioned in the book and the video called THE SECRET.

THE ART OF LIVING CREATIVELY
With the help of philosophy and the sciences, plus the fellowship of others in a kind of creative community, I have the feeling that it is possible to find the power needed and the right balance of knowledge and wisdom to make life into a thing of beauty--a progressive work of art.

"I respect everyone of any opinion, even though I may disagree with them. Your frequent requests for dialogue rather than argument is an excellent idea." Thanks for this comment. It makes my EGO feel good! smile.gif

Oh yes! You did mention the role of the EGO. Obviously, we do have egos. Now, perhaps we need to dialogue on the question: What is the role of the ego? Is the ego an evil part of our nature? Is it possible to be a loving ego? smile.gif

ABOUT OUR EGO STATES--as children, as parents, as adults
How many have read the book about our ego states, I'M OK, You're O.K. ?
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YoungS   God/Religion a creation of the powerfull human mind ?/!   May 28, 2008, 02:11 PM
Joesus   Good topic heading. Can't wait to see if you a...   May 28, 2008, 04:31 PM
Lindsay   This is a forum about the human brain so I think ...   May 29, 2008, 08:10 PM
trojan_libido   We are the Universe experiencing itself. That is ...   May 29, 2008, 11:24 PM
Lindsay   [b]We are the Universe experiencing itself. That...   May 30, 2008, 05:18 AM
Joesus   John 17 a translation from the Aramaic texts (the ...   May 30, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   I started this topic because more than the half of...   May 31, 2008, 03:43 AM
Joesus   Survey says more than 90% which is substantially ...   May 31, 2008, 11:31 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, the feedback you just received from Joesu...   May 31, 2008, 01:55 PM
Joesus   God, beyond being encapsulated in experience doe...   May 31, 2008, 02:21 PM
YoungS   Joesus, No offence, but I don't know what the...   May 31, 2008, 03:18 PM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, unitheist/panentheist I think thi...   May 31, 2008, 03:30 PM
Lindsay   Hey Lindsay, I think this is new for me, i...   May 31, 2008, 08:15 PM
Joesus   It would stand to reason if you don't know w...   May 31, 2008, 04:06 PM
Lindsay   YoungS: =======ooo000ooo====== I think of GØD a...   May 31, 2008, 08:33 PM
YoungS   hey guys i'll respond tuesday when I got my ne...   Jun 01, 2008, 04:11 AM
trojan_libido   Hearing someone elses voice in your own head is sc...   Jun 01, 2008, 11:35 PM
YoungS   The most of your post I don't know what you ...   Jun 03, 2008, 07:56 AM
YoungS   I agree Agree again, I could not come to a di...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:11 AM
YoungS   Sound more like a spiritual (connection to god) ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:31 AM
Lindsay   Sounds, to me, more like a spiritual (connectio...   Jun 03, 2008, 09:43 AM
Joesus   That depends on whether you could comprehend the ...   Jun 03, 2008, 10:19 AM
YoungS   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ye...   Jun 03, 2008, 12:46 PM
lindsayking   Hey Lindsay, thanks for correcting me. I am 24 ...   Jun 03, 2008, 04:30 PM
YoungS   Joesus, I comparing it to the average religious...   Jun 03, 2008, 02:17 PM
Joesus   No, no need to be uptight but being truthful is ...   Jun 03, 2008, 08:13 PM
YoungS   You know Joesus I really wanted to comment to what...   Jun 05, 2008, 11:49 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I understand what you wrote: ...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:20 PM
YoungS   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. You know, Jo...   Jun 05, 2008, 01:39 PM
Lindsay   Lindsay, Yes it is almost fairly. ... But my ques...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:08 PM
YoungS   From this point I do want to continue... The ...   Jun 05, 2008, 02:07 PM
Joesus   Well it looks like you did comment even tho you ...   Jun 05, 2008, 08:06 PM
YoungS   (1)yea I think that religious people are having...   Jun 06, 2008, 04:00 AM
YoungS   @ Lindsay, I prefer a debate. (1)true, that...   Jun 06, 2008, 05:27 AM
Joesus   1) If over 90% of the human race believes in a G...   Jun 06, 2008, 08:20 AM
Lindsay   YoungS, here is how I read you: I heard you say: ...   Jun 07, 2008, 09:08 AM
rhymer   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Brai...   Jun 07, 2008, 02:49 PM
Lindsay   Hello YoungS, First of all, I welcome you to Bra...   Jun 08, 2008, 12:32 PM
Joesus   Who in hell would believe that!?......   Jun 07, 2008, 09:15 PM
rhymer   I don't believe there is a place called Hell s...   Jun 08, 2008, 09:05 AM
Joesus   Using that point of reference the quote: is misrep...   Jun 08, 2008, 11:34 AM
rhymer   Lindsay, In answer to your post..... I don't ...   Jun 09, 2008, 11:39 AM
Lindsay   Lindsay, In answer to your post ... I don't t...   Jun 10, 2008, 03:50 AM
Joesus   Finding any common truth, is impossible when no on...   Jun 09, 2008, 02:19 PM
rhymer   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth i...   Jun 09, 2008, 03:43 PM
Joesus   It is possible that a person who detects a Truth ...   Jun 09, 2008, 04:48 PM
Joesus   The ego is not an evil thing, however it is the o...   Jun 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
rhymer   To answer your questions Lindsay:- "I have ...   Jun 10, 2008, 12:15 PM
Joesus   Continuing from the last post in regards to Micah ...   Jun 10, 2008, 05:38 PM
Lindsay   Rhymer you write: "No God is required for tho...   Jun 10, 2008, 06:52 PM
YoungS   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informatio...   Sep 24, 2008, 06:19 AM
Joesus   Joesus, If CERN research leads to more informati...   Sep 24, 2008, 10:31 AM
trojan_libido   @YoungS: I doubt Joesus thinks the Earth was creat...   Sep 24, 2008, 07:47 AM
Rick   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 08:26 AM
Lindsay   Psychology isn't really a science, is it?   Sep 24, 2008, 05:38 PM
Joesus   Psychology isn't really a science, is it? It...   Sep 24, 2008, 05:55 PM
trojan_libido   I thought we like to keep things based in science ...   Sep 24, 2008, 11:53 PM
Rick   Magic?   Sep 25, 2008, 07:18 AM
Joesus   Spiritual science.   Sep 25, 2008, 09:10 AM
Rick   With reproducible results?   Sep 25, 2008, 02:49 PM
Joesus   Most definitely. But repeatability doesn't a...   Sep 25, 2008, 04:19 PM
YoungS   If they find out the facts they want to find: CERN...   Sep 27, 2008, 02:06 PM
Joesus   If they find out the facts they want to find: CER...   Sep 28, 2008, 08:56 AM
trojan_libido   I don't think we have even the slightest handl...   Sep 28, 2008, 11:20 PM
YoungS   As for the question of our relation with God, I...   Sep 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
Joesus   One of CERN 'primairy' goal is to ...   Sep 30, 2008, 09:28 AM
trojan_libido   What people need to learn to do is to take unbelie...   Oct 01, 2008, 05:33 AM
Rick   If you replace the singularity from before the Big...   Oct 01, 2008, 07:21 AM
trojan_libido   I hope thats true rick, I'm rubbish at sarcasm...   Oct 01, 2008, 11:31 AM
Rick   I'm a straight shooter, generally. When I get ...   Oct 01, 2008, 12:33 PM
trojan_libido   Haha, yes I guess I used the term explusion subcon...   Oct 02, 2008, 03:46 AM
Joesus   Whatever takes place in the evolution of the speci...   Oct 02, 2008, 09:09 AM
trojan_libido   The way I see it the serpent is a symbol of the pa...   Oct 02, 2008, 10:57 PM
YoungS   @Jesoes I can make this statement because I gre...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:54 AM
Joesus   @Joesus I can make this statement because I gr...   Oct 05, 2008, 09:38 AM
YoungS   @ Trojan_Libido No comment, nice explanation of y...   Oct 05, 2008, 05:56 AM
trojan_libido   The name Jesus is an Anglicization of the Greek, i...   Oct 05, 2008, 11:20 PM
Rick   Is it co-incidence that Jesus came back to life in...   Oct 07, 2008, 06:15 AM
Hey Hey   It's autumn again. And more old chestnuts to j...   Oct 06, 2008, 07:29 PM
Joesus   If we overcome something to evolve beyond it, what...   Oct 07, 2008, 08:55 AM
Rick   Sounds like a paradox, doesn't it? The problem...   Oct 07, 2008, 10:58 AM
trojan_libido   Chasing ghosts through the tunnels of evolution...   Oct 07, 2008, 11:44 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus True, u can tell a child a fairy tail t...   Oct 09, 2008, 03:44 PM
Joesus   Weren't we discussing what is true rather th...   Oct 09, 2008, 06:46 PM
trojan_libido   Weak minded individuals who have been broken down ...   Oct 09, 2008, 11:48 PM
trojan_libido   I believe its a fine line for sure. But being awa...   Oct 10, 2008, 12:46 AM
YoungS   @ Joesus I might have gotten of track there, I a...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:28 PM
Joesus   It does not bother me what others think of me, ...   Oct 10, 2008, 06:05 PM
YoungS   U might wanna avoid the mushrooms, every year 5 t...   Oct 10, 2008, 03:54 PM
trojan_libido   You are completely wrong here. Only tobacco is co...   Oct 11, 2008, 03:26 AM
YoungS   First off all, I live in The Netherlands. This ...   Oct 11, 2008, 06:06 AM
trojan_libido   Unfortunately theres no age limit on mushroom sa...   Oct 12, 2008, 02:20 AM
YoungS   No, the major of Amsterdam came with that idea, h...   Oct 12, 2008, 03:12 AM
trojan_libido   I guess you were playing devils advocate then. Do...   Oct 14, 2008, 04:01 AM
Rick   ... 'Is the human mind a creation of the power...   Oct 14, 2008, 06:57 AM
trojan_libido   I used the term 'God process' as a referen...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:06 AM
Rick   I don't like the term "God" because ...   Oct 14, 2008, 07:56 AM
Joesus   Not liking something is not a reason to keep other...   Oct 14, 2008, 09:33 AM
Rick   Obviously "God" the word added enough in...   Oct 14, 2008, 12:54 PM
trojan_libido   People believe God created everything. I believe ...   Oct 14, 2008, 11:36 AM
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