God/Religion a creation of the powerfull human mind ?/! Options

[YoungS]

This is a forum about the human brain so I think i'm at the right place to suggest to start a topic about this.

[Joesus]

I find it impossible to picture gods, or a God, in human-like terms. Indeed, I find it impossible to picture all of G�D, or GOD, at all. I accept that, as a human being, it is not possible for me to understand the ineffable--that which is beyond understanding.

God, beyond being encapsulated in experience does not mean God is beyond experience nor does it mean God cannot be experienced in Human form. Jesus spoke of being One with the Father and as such could without limitation express God in human terms. In fact he showed humanity what they could not believe was normal to the definition of human form and perception.
Humans are multidimensional creatures with the ability to become self aware not only of their manifest condition but their inherent source of power in consciousness itself. God does not will as a separate entity that humanity follow any course in choice, and as we destroy ourselves it is not of Gods will to separate and contract but of human choice based on the ego and its relative values. That we fight over issues that have no value of need or necessity to the reality of consciousness as it exists is not an endeavor of love but it is supported by a love similar to that of a parent that allows their children to grow into intelligent comprehension by experiencing the mechanics of choice.
What God has built into humanity is choice to align or not align with the Inherent construct of spirit which is in the expansion of love through the experience of creation.
This is the difference in experiencing Consciousness as it experiences itself and describing consciousness in terms that are relative to human ego and in principles of reason. Someone said the heart knows no reason and this is true for those who follow faith will often move past the boundaries set by reasoning to seek that which relative thinking says is impossible.
Ego thinks God sees values within creation that mirror the current state of human understanding. But God lives to expand love and that love is the potential that exists in the support of all aspects of creative impulse from birth to death, from sending a valentine to stabbing your mother in the eye with an ice pick.
Creativity: it is the natural function of cause and effect, and the natural mechanical function relative to how intention or focus navigates creative force within the universe.
God seeks as a natural part of itself to evolve and expand just as a tree has within it the built in tendency to branch out and rise to greater heights in the experience of itself. This is not of need but of natural properties that are way beyond the limits of definition.

What God creates is not with the intention to create good over evil for duality is the manifestation of opposites. In today's world we are all too familiar with the concepts of Good and evil and who can imagine a God that would allow evil to exist or to intentionally create a distraction from the good?
For those who demand that God is good and the evil having its own powers counter to God do not know God, for God is in the field of absolute being which is not separate from the manifest as it emerges from the absolute but has no attachment to the creative forces which paint the pictures of reality through intention and desire.
In any war there are two sides which represent the struggle between the holy spirit and the ego.
As man evolves from the separation of God and ignorance, he identifies with the body first and then eventually grows out of the body and into his immortal self. He also learns that Gods will is his own will for God is not separate from him. As one becomes enlightened all actions then are not born of the individual but for the expansion of the universe.
War then becomes not a holy thing, nor a fight between values created by individuals, but the mirror of the human intellect as it struggles within itself for freedom from limitation and identity and it includes the natural inherent spirit that supports the illusions of identity along with the properties of evolution and growth. That is the way we experience it here on Earth. This is one civilization and one classroom only. There are an infinite number of universes and classrooms and the human spirit exists in many evolutionary stages and some beyond the imaginings of the limited concepts that human ego can grasp as it isolates itself within its limited scope of reality of being someone, somewhere, at some time.


As a unitheist/panentheist Lindsay you must accept that the definition fits your beliefs rather than any construct needed by consciousness to remain as consciousness. Words to accommodate your current stage of comprehension less the experience of being God but in theory, the concept of being God.
It is only the human ego that must define itself in its ability and its limitations, and to remain a part of God rather than to be God which is without the constraints of egoic title.
To be a part is to understand separateness and fragmentation, or not understand God. To be God is to live without the need and reason of understanding but the flow of being both understanding and non understanding which is without the constraints of identity that is ego.
All that is, is all that is without relative reason and without being anchored at any time within the reason of relativity. It can be labeled but goes by no label in and of itself, for it is all labels and none at all.
To be, or not to be, or, to becoming...The constant is in the invisibility of spirit that eludes the ego and its necessary function to label itself along with the inability to adapt to the changing/ineffable spirit.

Its difficult to put a label on something that does not maintain any permanent image. So God is given a definition by labeling association to reason, and that reason being supported by the current administration of collective thoughts, based on past experiences.
The ego becomes something and everything is something or nothing. The Spirit is becoming and is more than all that is or ever will be because whatever is by title has a nature of impermanence, where God behind all impermanent definitions and labels is a constant. It is more than nothing and also beyond the confines of a something. It exists when all perceptions of sense that is physical or attached to the body are loosened, when the body dies and consciousness itself remains. But the body does not have to die in order to free the mind so that it can experience it just as it is experienced beyond death, that is just a superstitious notion. Consciousness is not bound to the body, only the ego limits itself to the human experience rather than the unbounded consciousness that is its source. One merely need subdue the ego by saying to themselves,"Ego you haven't served me very well, you have been the source of suffering and illusion and I would choose to not limit myself to this condition of such a fragmented identity any more."
Well, that and take on the tools to turn the mind toward consciousness and Self realization.
Good intentions are really meaningless if you are standing still in the cesspool of self absorption.

God does not demand anything, God does not dictate absolutes that are relative to experience because experience can only reflect a thought of the absolute in some form or function.

"As one who lives with the experience of God I can say what is truth because it is not of my own self that I speak."--Jesus
As such Jesus could say he was the Son of God and the Son of Man, both spirit and God/Spirit in human form. Not separate, and certainly not without the ability to describe through experience, the Spirit he was.

To know God is to experience God. To know of God is to take relative values and add a measure of ego to limit God in some form or even a value of infinity. God is not beyond thought or experience, if God was, then God would be limited by being infinite to be relevant, or beyond the scope of experience and thought that is the relative in its multidimensional levels of reality and perceptions that are so diverse within the human imagination/intuition and ability to experience.
God and the relative are never without each other, they exist as One.

For me, G�D, or GOD is the sum and total of all that I have experienced, will experience and experience in the eternal now.

This is quite a bit different than "God is the sum total of all (every ones and every things) experiences" that is and will be, when the "I" limits the experience to the personal.
When speaking to another you separate your experience from their experience, not only reinforcing the separation of yourself from the other but the separation of God in one and another. It is true that individual experience of God is limited by the ego and the experience of individuality but it is still the same God, not a part or fragment of God.
IF God is all then God is more than the sum total of the personal 'I", or ego experience, it is more than the sum total of all egoic individual experiences. It created and is the ego and its ability to individualize itself which makes God more than the sum total of the egos and their experiences but the creator of ego and experience which is more than a measure of individuals and totals. It is absolute in nature.
Which means there is no more God in one thing nor less God in another to amass a total God in and amongst the numbers.
The manifest is a reflection, rather than the components of God. Which makes the perception of Good and evil within a reflection an illusion of perception based on relative values of the ego.

Why do you believe you couldn't ever understand God? Why can't understanding exist in relative association to experience, or do you also believe you can't experience God? Relative values are like toppings on a cake. They are applied thru notions of the moment. One day the cake has chocolate toppings and then vanilla, or with nuts or icing or no frosting at all. The mind rarely stays in the moment and with ego in charge everything about God is reasoned from past experiences rather than the experience of now.

It would stand to reason that if you can't experience the now you can't experience God. Then any relative association to God would be a fantasy or a projection based on the limited accumulation of reference points within the personal ego rather than reference beyond the limited ego. That'd be reflective of the fascination you have with your own history and your own measure of worth that is invested in what the octogenarian King is, rather than what God is.
This is basically what Jesus meant when he criticized the Pharisees, accusing them of teaching and speaking of God without any personal experience or direct contact that is understanding.

Mt 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

How does one become a minister of God without the experience and understanding of living in communion with the Holy Spirit and God?
Wouldn't that just be a preaching of beliefs, rather than communion with God?

In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word shall be any word that makes sense to ones individual whims......

Sorta like lending yourself to brain surgery with someone who read about brain surgery rather than actually having been inside of a brain and performed it enough times to know what they were into.