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QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 31, 2008, 09:47 PM)  Narrow exclusive Christians would not consider you or me to Christian. ... Who cares what they think? That they exclude shows that they are irrelevant. |
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Jan 06, 2009, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 06, 2009, 12:14 AM) Who cares what they think? That they exclude shows that they are irrelevant. Or, that those who mention "them that exclude," choose to give them or the subject surrounding them, relevance? |
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Jan 06, 2009, 11:49 AM
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Rick you ask--rhetorically I assume--"Who cares what they think? "
I care ... for the following reason: The more caring people we have in the world the better it will be for the world. |
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Jan 06, 2009, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 06, 2009, 07:49 PM) Rick you ask--rhetorically I assume--"Who cares what they think? " I care ... for the following reason: The more caring people we have in the world the better it will be for the world. Not necessarily so. If your comprehension of reality skews your ideals and your cares consume you and degrade humanity, then possibly, the worse off you and humanity are for your caring. |
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Jan 06, 2009, 09:09 PM
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As I said: "I care ... for the following reason: The more caring people we have in the world the better it will be for the world." Rick, perhaps I should have added: "I have always assumed you to be one who cares about finding that which is true.
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Jan 06, 2009, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(Lindsay @ Jan 07, 2009, 05:09 AM) As I said: "I care ... for the following reason: The more caring people we have in the world the better it will be for the world." Rick, perhaps I should have added: "I have always assumed you to be one who cares about finding that which is true. Brings to mind the Serenity Prayer God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen. --Reinhold Niebuhr Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your paths. Proverbs 3, 5-6 This leads then to the idea of what is correct understanding, compassion and caring? Matthew 8 19 And a certain scribe came, and said unto him, Master, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest. 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head. 21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. And, Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. The politicians cared for the bankrupt and possibly corrupt corporations enough to lend at the taxpayers expense billions of dollars which are loosely accounted for and may not even end up benefiting the very people who are footing the bill. A suffering man who is tied to his beliefs when approached by an unconscious caring individual is given undue attention while another man who is willing but less vocal in his suffering waits for recognition from the caring conscious man who will lead him to his own strength to overcome suffering. The unconscious caring man cannot lead a man into conscious choice. There is a saying. You cannot fix a problem at the level in which it is created. Trying to fix or remove a problem with the intention of improving the situation makes you part of the problem. As I said, " If your comprehension of reality skews your ideals and your cares consume you and degrade humanity, then possibly, the worse off you and humanity are for your caring." |
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Jan 07, 2009, 08:02 AM
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Looks to me that George W. Bush trusted too much in Proverbs 3, 5-6 and now the world will pay for it for many years to come. I suggest trusting in reason instead. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's right, quite the opposite, in fact. Only a few things in the Bible are true, most are false or misleading.
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Jan 07, 2009, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 07, 2009, 04:02 PM) Looks to me that George W. Bush trusted too much in Proverbs 3, 5-6 and now the world will pay for it for many years to come. I suggest trusting in reason instead. Just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean it's right, quite the opposite, in fact. Only a few things in the Bible are true, most are false of misleading. Most don't understand reason as prescribed by the bible nor do most understand the meanings of scripture. Bush doesn't live by the meanings in the bible, Bush uses the bible to define his reason which is not of the bible but of the ego of mans mind. |
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Jan 08, 2009, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE reason as prescribed by the bible Thats an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Reason - Bible lol. Even the crazy folk have their reasons for their behaviour... |
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Jan 08, 2009, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(trojan_libido @ Jan 08, 2009, 08:06 AM) QUOTE reason as prescribed by the bible Thats an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Reason - Bible lol. Even the crazy folk have their reasons for their behaviour...Anyone can create a reason. Few know the flow of the Universe and move with it consciously. Lk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts? Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Jn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: |
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Jan 12, 2009, 02:54 PM
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T_L, have you ever checked out the work and religious views of Dr. Francis Collins, a geneticist? Agree with him, or not, what he has to say is interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Colli...Religious_views |
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