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post Nov 13, 2007, 02:05 PM
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A world view that denies the property of divinity in the universe is called atheism, and a theistic world view affirms divinity. So deciding which is true requires determining whether or not there is divinity in the universe. The problem comes down to answering the question "is a world without divinity observably different than a world with that property?"

In physics, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, accepted as true by all practicing physicists, holds that for a quantum particle, knowledge of position precludes knowledge of momentum. More precisely, the more we know about a particle's location, the less we can know about its momentum. However, an omniscient being would, by definition, know both position and momentum of all particles, in violation of known physics.

Further, in the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics (the majority view of physicists), a state of quantum superposition, in which particles can exist in two states simultaneously, requires that a particle's quantum state be unobserved. Hence, the existence of an omniscient being would short-circuit attempts to establish ambiguous quantum states, as is routinely done in physics research laboratories.

Therefore, the question above is answered in the affirmative, if we assume divinity involves omniscience: we can tell there is no divinity in the world because if there were, quantum mechanics would be very different than what we have found to be the case. QED.
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post Nov 13, 2007, 04:26 PM
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Interesting thought... you not only successfully limited God within the realms of modern physics but also defiled "GOD" by bounding it to divine-mundane concept.. Bravo!!!!!
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post Nov 13, 2007, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(FDk @ Nov 13, 2007, 04:26 PM) *
.. Bravo!!!!!

Thank you.
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Rick   God, if He exists, cannot be omniscient   Nov 13, 2007, 02:05 PM
Lindsay   A world view that denies the property of divinity...   Nov 13, 2007, 02:57 PM
Lindsay   IMO, if we are going to make any real progress in ...   Nov 13, 2007, 04:00 PM
zhenka11230   IMO, if we are going to make any real progress in...   Nov 15, 2007, 02:46 PM
FDk   Interesting thought... you not only successfully l...   Nov 13, 2007, 04:26 PM
Rick   .. Bravo!!!!! Thank you.   Nov 13, 2007, 04:30 PM
Lindsay   Interesting thought... you not only successfully ...   Nov 14, 2007, 12:07 PM
FDk   .. Bravo!!!!! Thank you. lol...   Nov 13, 2007, 04:35 PM
Lindsay   lol.. sorry if I sounded like a dick... Apology ...   Nov 14, 2007, 08:19 AM
Rick   I think he meant "dick-head" which would...   Nov 14, 2007, 09:19 AM
Orbz   Therefore, the question above is answered in the ...   Nov 14, 2007, 08:25 PM
Rick   Therefore, the question above is answered in the...   Nov 20, 2007, 04:53 PM
Lindsay   Orbz comments, "So, God also needs to be omni...   Nov 14, 2007, 09:36 PM
Orbz   Orbz comments, "So, God also needs to be omn...   Nov 14, 2007, 09:52 PM
Lindsay   I asked: What is your theological position, Orbz?...   Nov 15, 2007, 07:57 AM
Lindsay   THIS IS INTERESTING ================== http://plat...   Nov 15, 2007, 08:20 AM
Lindsay   If I am not mistaken, Rick once told us that, for ...   Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
Rick   There is a lot of assuming going on, here. Again I...   Nov 20, 2007, 03:45 PM
Lindsay   ...It seems to me that the onus would be on the o...   Nov 20, 2007, 09:15 PM
Lindsay   BTW, Zhenka, if I were back to thinking like I use...   Nov 15, 2007, 10:02 PM
Enki   when I was a young theist--quite a long time ago-...   Feb 06, 2008, 10:01 AM
atha   The Power of Truth or God-in-Action is the vibrato...   Nov 19, 2007, 03:36 AM
Lindsay   The Power of Truth or God-in-Action is the vibrat...   Nov 19, 2007, 10:02 AM
atha   The Hebrew word for Spirit -- ruah is a feminine w...   Nov 20, 2007, 06:05 AM
Lindsay   The Hebrew word for Spirit -- ruah is a feminine ...   Nov 20, 2007, 12:02 PM
Rick   Corrolary 1: God cannot be omnipotent if he is not...   Nov 20, 2007, 05:03 PM
Lindsay   "By definition, God is omnipotent. Any being ...   Nov 20, 2007, 09:21 PM
atha   Logic is the foundation of science and philosophy,...   Nov 21, 2007, 06:16 AM
Lindsay   Rick, is Atha right when he says that life is not ...   Nov 21, 2007, 08:04 AM
Lindsay   JOHANN GOTTFRIED VON HERDER First published Tue Oc...   Nov 21, 2007, 08:31 AM
Enki   Further, in the Copenhagen interpretation of qua...   Nov 25, 2007, 10:27 PM
Enki   Therefore, the question above is answered in the ...   Nov 25, 2007, 10:39 PM
Joesus   I think this next statement is rather non scienti...   Nov 26, 2007, 01:08 AM
Enki   I am talking with Rick, not with you Joesus. I abs...   Nov 26, 2007, 03:24 AM
Joesus   I am talking with Rick, not with you Joesus. I ab...   Nov 26, 2007, 08:47 AM
Enki   By the way hows that private forum idea panning o...   Nov 26, 2007, 09:50 AM
Joesus   Holly presence? is that a Christmas-like presence?   Nov 26, 2007, 05:13 PM
Enki   You like to play with cats as I see Joesus.   Nov 27, 2007, 12:23 AM
Lindsay   You like to play with cats as I see Joesus. Spea...   Jan 15, 2008, 03:12 PM
Enki   You like to play with cats as I see Joesus. Spe...   Jan 20, 2008, 09:38 AM
Joesus   They're simple minded, get distracted easily a...   Nov 27, 2007, 09:05 AM
Enki   They are wonderful, wise, nice and cute creatures.   Nov 27, 2007, 09:42 AM
Joesus   Well the wisdom part must be why they like me so m...   Nov 27, 2007, 07:12 PM
sk1   what's funny is that through our modern scienc...   Jan 15, 2008, 11:38 AM
project-2501   what's funny is that through our modern scien...   Jan 25, 2008, 09:55 AM
Lindsay   Sk1. You comment What is your concept of 'God...   Jan 15, 2008, 02:59 PM
sk1   Sk1. You comment What is your concept of 'Go...   Jan 17, 2008, 08:32 AM
Lindsay   ...Your right, it's fun to dialogue. To me ...   Jan 17, 2008, 11:33 PM
trojan_libido   God is simply everything, and a huge percentage of...   Jan 18, 2008, 12:37 AM
sk1   Lindsay Thank you for the information. I also li...   Jan 18, 2008, 09:05 AM
Lindsay   Everybody: I have made quite a revision of my last...   Jan 18, 2008, 02:08 PM
Lindsay   I THANK GØD for what the media calls "the ...   Jan 18, 2008, 02:28 PM
Lindsay   People who hold strong beliefs are usually called,...   Jan 20, 2008, 09:22 PM
Enki   People who hold strong beliefs are usually called...   Jan 21, 2008, 09:37 AM
Rick   Both Zeus and Zarathustra are falling off their ch...   Jan 25, 2008, 12:09 PM
Lindsay   Rick, at what? Please go on and explain. Are you, ...   Jan 25, 2008, 02:53 PM
Lindsay   Fascinating stuff about the way science and faith ...   Jan 25, 2008, 09:09 PM
Lindsay   With sites like this: http://www.personalizedmedic...   Jan 26, 2008, 01:54 PM
Enki   New horizons are opening. Atheism is an old heresy...   Jan 28, 2008, 02:04 PM
Lindsay   FROM http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum ==========...   Jan 30, 2008, 03:32 PM
Lindsay   One Mike Kremer wrote:   Jan 30, 2008, 07:15 PM
Quantum   A world view that denies the property of divinity...   Dec 15, 2008, 04:27 PM
Rick   ... Were there actually an all-knowing divine pres...   Dec 16, 2008, 07:54 AM
Hey Hey   Were there actually an all-knowing divine presence...   Dec 16, 2008, 08:01 AM
Quantum   Rick, If there is a God or creator, it will of co...   Dec 16, 2008, 10:07 AM
Rick   If there is a God or creator, it will of course pl...   Dec 16, 2008, 11:08 AM
code buttons   [quote name='Quantum' post='95601' date='Dec 16, ...   Dec 16, 2008, 11:23 AM
Rick   Hmm! I wonder what HIM thinks about all this. ...   Dec 16, 2008, 11:34 AM
Quantum   If there is a God or creator, it will of course p...   Dec 16, 2008, 11:58 AM
Lindsay   A world view that denies the property of divinit...   Dec 16, 2008, 02:03 PM
Rick   If the universe has always existed, when was it cr...   Dec 16, 2008, 12:49 PM
Quantum   If the universe has always existed, when was it c...   Dec 16, 2008, 01:44 PM
Rick   I do not believe the universe has always existed, ...   Dec 16, 2008, 03:52 PM
Quantum   [quote name='Quantum' post='95609' date='Dec 16, ...   Dec 17, 2008, 08:04 AM
Rick   ... A great book, if you enjoy PKD. I have read a...   Dec 17, 2008, 11:41 AM
Quantum   ... A great book, if you enjoy PKD. I have read ...   Dec 17, 2008, 01:05 PM
Lindsay   Quantum, theologically speaking: Who are you?   Dec 16, 2008, 02:14 PM
Quantum   Quantum, theologically speaking: Who are you? W...   Dec 16, 2008, 02:53 PM
Lindsay   Sounds like you have taken the first uni of unithe...   Dec 16, 2008, 03:27 PM
Quantum   Sounds like you have taken the first uni of unith...   Dec 17, 2008, 10:01 AM
Joesus   That might be due to the fact that you resist thi...   Dec 16, 2008, 04:37 PM
Quantum   That might be due to the fact that you resist th...   Dec 17, 2008, 11:14 AM
Joesus   I am not part and parcel to God, although I wish...   Dec 17, 2008, 12:19 PM
Lindsay   I forgot to mention that TL introduced me to a ne...   Dec 16, 2008, 08:31 PM
trojan_libido   I'm a developer and I sometimes have to deal w...   Dec 17, 2008, 12:36 AM
Joesus   Some times you feel like a nut...some times you do...   Dec 17, 2008, 10:45 AM
Lindsay   Quantum, You write, "I'm not in a rush to...   Dec 17, 2008, 12:03 PM
Rick   My favorite PKD novels are Confessions of a Crap A...   Dec 17, 2008, 03:07 PM
Joesus   My favorite PKD novels are Confessions of a Crap ...   Dec 17, 2008, 05:37 PM
Rick   That idea of we being the first. Does that mean we...   Dec 18, 2008, 08:06 AM
trojan_libido   Maybe its simply impossible for a lifeform from a ...   Dec 18, 2008, 01:55 AM
Quantum   Maybe its simply impossible for a lifeform from a...   Dec 18, 2008, 05:51 AM
Rick   ... Yet in my view, that story is clearly fake. No...   Dec 18, 2008, 08:17 AM
Rick   Maybe its simply impossible for a lifeform from a...   Dec 18, 2008, 08:08 AM
Hey Hey   Potentially billions of years in advance of us and...   Dec 18, 2008, 05:42 AM
Rick   Potentially billions of years in advance of us an...   Dec 18, 2008, 08:09 AM
Hey Hey   Potentially billions of years in advance of us a...   Dec 18, 2008, 11:42 AM
trojan_libido   Can you give some examples? The only one I know f...   Dec 18, 2008, 06:59 AM
Quantum   Can you give some examples? The only one I know ...   Dec 18, 2008, 08:24 AM
Rick   I sometimes wonder if people really understand Ein...   Dec 18, 2008, 12:30 PM
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