Immortality Options

[Hudzon]

Do you desire it?

[trojan_libido]

Only if I can have it for everyone I love and no one I hate.

[Hudzon]

Oh? The latter part intrigues me. To be honest I would be interested in having my adversaries gain immortality as well.

I believe that a lot of who you are can be learned from looking at the people you hate or dislike.

I think I would learn a lot about myself if I was forced to coexist in the same environment with my enemies with neither of us being able to get rid off each other.

[trojan_libido]

Trust me, even with all the time in the world some people will not change. Wouldn't you rather have a world filled with people you like? Isn't that the Utopian society many are searching for?

[maximus242]

How do you know your not already immortal but you just move onto a different reality when you "die"?

[Hudzon]

Trust me, even with all the time in the world some people will not change. Wouldn't you rather have a world filled with people you like? Isn't that the Utopian society many are searching for?

I don't really care if they won't change. My point was that I will, and that I would welcome that change.

Other people, I really don't care about them. If we can safely coexist together, then they can live as long as they want. If we can't coexist together then I will end their existence to secure my own.

As for a utopia, consider the old Japanese proverb:
"Where is Heaven - Above the sky and at your feet"

How do you know your not already immortal but you just move onto a different reality when you "die"?

I don't. But I'm not taking any chances either. If the "other me" chose to live in this reality then that choice must've been somehow justified to them and there's no reason to quit it;

[Flex]

Speaking of Heaven and Hell, there is another proverb about a monk who is accosted by a warrior who wishes to learn of Heaven and Hell--anyone familiar with it? I will type it up in a bit, but for now the sun is out, the woods are calling, and I need to go take a stroll through Heaven

[Hudzon]

I think I saw a similar one in the "Japanese meditation" thread. Might be two different monks, though.

[Rick]

Do you desire it?

Yes, but it must be accompanied by invulnerability and eternal youth. I am not concerned too much with the love and hate of others. Eternity is a long time. Those I love today I may feel differently about tomorrow.

[Rick]

How do you know your not already immortal but you just move onto a different reality when you "die"?

By the principle of Occam's Razor (the simpler explanation is better). Every child conceived would have to come from "somewhere" under that kind of reality model. Coordinating the transitions from one world to another would require enormous computational power, for which there is no evidence of any kind of supporting machinery.

[Joesus]

How can one reach the level of supreme God and not be immortal?

[Flex]

How can one reach the level of supreme God and not be immortal?

Maybe the supreme God is not eternal. If you believe that there was a beginning, then it seems there must be some corresponding end. Personally I have no idea if there was a beginning or if there was only existance (I don't understand concepts such as infinity or zero).

[Rick]

Every individual is part of the life that has been continuously alive for over three billion years. That, however, is no guarantee of immortality.

[maximus242]

Question, how can their be a beginning? What existed before beginning? How can you get something out of nothing?

Thus the logical conclusion is that there is no beginning, for in order for a beginning to have existed, something must have been created out of nothing. Thus only can we define the beginning of the universe as we know it. However the universe itself could be infinitively old.

[code buttons]

Only if I can have it for everyone I love and no one I hate.

LMAO! Great answer! On second thought, it's hard to picture T_L hating someone. Maybe something about someone? Everyone deserves a shot at it is what I say!

[code buttons]

How can one reach the level of supreme God and not be immortal?

LMAO again!!! That was I real good one! I'm assuming you're refering to Rick's forum status here. If I'm right, it was a cleverly crafted trick question and Flex fell for it. Does that mean that I get to be immortal while Flex misses the bus?
Seriously, though, I will attempt to answer the question presented here. It is common sense that life, no matter how it got here, has Us as it's greatest achievement. Life's supreme purpose since the very begining, some billions of years ago, has been a constant up to this moment: Continuity. All of our achievments and accomplishments would become efimeral and completely meaningless, if our purpose is not achieved. It is an honor and our obligation to do everything within our power to preserve the torch that has been handed to us. To do otherwise would equate to doing absolute infamy to Life itself, in all its wonderful representations past and present, and whatever It turns out to be.

[trojan_libido]

Only if I can have it for everyone I love and no one I hate.

LMAO! Great answer! On second thought, it's hard to picture T_L hating someone. Maybe something about someone? Everyone deserves a shot at it is what I say!

I don't hate, I get even
Nah really, it was more a smart arse answer than a real response. I found the question to be of little value; it could just of easily said 'Do you want to die?'. Then I'd become a gibbering wreck hiding behind my sofa and being scared of logging onto Brainmeta

Seriously though, I assumed that immortality included invulnerability and no ageing. If it didn't, ewww, can you imagine the mess you'd make after 500 years. 'Howdy little missy, you want to come back to my room - my libido is still working!', 'Put that away sir, you may have paid to be in this home for the next 10,000 years, but thats not included!'

[maximus242]

Well trojan I suppose immortality means to live forever, so that should theoretically include invulnerability and no aging.

I wonder if eventually, after hundreds of years of life, if a person would beg for death? Just as how some people strongly seek immortality, I wonder if immortal people would seek death?

The grass is always greener on the other side.

[trojan_libido]

I guess that would depend if you were watching the people you love die or if they were immortal too.

[code buttons]

The answer to all those queries lies in the "We" as opossed to the "I", IMO. Counting the years as opposed to not counting them at all, is thinking with the ego in mind. Inmortality goes along the lines of Universality and Oneness.

[HumanBeast]

Immortality will become true because of the scientists working on life extension.

[Cassox]

I'm curious as to what would be enjoyable after 10,000 years. I'm not saying there wouldn't be anything enjoyable, just questioning as to what it would look like. I doubt that sex would be a primary activity. I'm only 27, and my libido is definitely fine, but I still see woman and sex quite differently now than when I was younger. The act alone is no longer enough for that overwhelming sense of wow. It's become alot more of a mindgame for me.

[maximus242]

Ever heard of the phrase "dirty old man"?

[trojan_libido]

Never spoken directly at me, since I'm only 28, how about you?