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trojan_libido
post Nov 06, 2007, 05:00 AM
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I work in a factory producing power steering motors for cars. I see thousands upon thousands of these units being built, everything identical, everything efficient, every business meeting about efficiency, capacity and speed.

I see the same process has occurred throughout the evolution of life. Biology carries information with DNA - we have no real idea on what this information is or how it accumulates. Take a plant as an example - its shape has evolved to suit the environment, to make it more efficient, to store and convert more and more energy, to grow as fast as possible into new suitable areas.

Doesn't it seem odd that capitalism has heralded in an age that seems remarkably similar to Natures original goals? (I'm giving Nature a personality and thus deifying it, live with it smile.gif)

Another example - termites. These things are deaf and blind, yet they build structures that dwarf the pyramids of Giza by comparison. They form colonies, they work together, they presumably do all this communication through smell or vibrations. More importantly they go to war. Animals have been fighting for territory, the opposite sex, or just when they're grumpy, well before we ever began taking notice.

So is the current trend of mass production and global conflict something we can actually remove from our lives? Aren't we a bit limited in our view of what God intended for us? It seems to me that the signs are all around us that life is acting exactly the way life has always acted. If there is a God there is NO evidence whatsoever that it is a God that cares for our pain. It seems that the process called God is simply to expand into order, and carry on the volatile nature that has always been part of life.

My question is fairly simple, is mass production a new realisation of natures laws of speed and efficiency?
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If we take your idea about inventions and apply it to biology of all living things, and then identify the inventor I think you'll have to change your point of reference to the fact that evolution is not the state of mind of the inventor, but an idea of the inventor.
I'm not entirely sure how that relates to what I'm saying so lets remove this inventor, call it a process with a simple cause and effect evolution in which we don't know the cause and the effect is hidden in all our movements.

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Then if you take your own experiences in how many thoughts and ideas you have and apply that to the inventor you might find that instead of the single reflection of a universe or organism most absorb themselves in, there are many reflections of the inventor in many different forms as many different universes.
I dont give much weight to the many universes theories, mainly because of my contempt for changing the word universe into something that doesnt encompass everything. But your correct, every eye has a different view. But surely we have enough eyes to see a shadow of the truth?

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Consciousness is not bound to evolution, nor is it affected as much as the ego believes it is affected by change and any measure of time.
This is only speculation, no consciousness has ever been found outside of biology, although I do feel the Universe is consciousness and we're its eyes, ears, hands and mouth.

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Do you think Mother Earth (as an organism) is healthier as a result of technology?
Does the survival of Earth have to continue on to infinity? Does an egg survive the birth of a new life? If I've learned anything from my time on Earth, the seasons, the image of Shiva, nothing is eternal. Think about the Earth as an organism for a moment, its been upgrading communication through technology, with the same patterns as we've seen in evolution except now its faster because we're its hands.

The flying birds, the fish, anything that lives or moves through the different density fields of matter has been important to our consciousness and forming archetypes. Throughout time we have revered the Lotus. The lotus was revered because it grows in the earth, moves up through water and flowers on the surface within air. The lotus species even had scientific merit for being pure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJtQ6dvcbOg

So going back to our thought experiment Gaia, its just developed a method of propagation! If we are a limb or component of an organism, then we must be the propagating tool. The other alternative is grim and we are but a virus, but life is life and all survival is instinctive. We are now seeking new worlds to explore, our curiousity see's to it that we find the Truth (Ma'ats feather). Its a basic part of our makeup to explore.

To answer your question though, no I do not think we're having a positive effect on the Earth. There are many species of animal that die at childbirth. If anything the Earth will continue and it will become incompatible to most life for a while, we won't destroy it anytime soon. It may be more healthy than ever, look around at the fertility of it all. We maybe witnessing a birth soon wink.gif

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Also what would the singularity of the universe look like?
Without anything on the outside, it wouldn't have form to look like anything, probably smile.gif We are expanding into an expanding Universe, it hurts to think about it.

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Have you ever contemplated the verse:
Mt 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
I have not, but I shall do over the course of the next couple of days. Any interpretation you'd like to present will be considered too.

I had an arguement with a friend about the path of evolution. I think that another world with carbon based life will need to use previous forms of life (fossil fuel) to create the next leap into the space age. My reasoning is simple, its the easiest and cheapest method of fast propulsion, and I believe commerce is related to my deities movements. Commerce displaying both a negative and positive duality. Fire being sacred also as I'm sure your aware. Its like the phoenix bursting from the ashes of long dead threads of evolution. She disagreed, said the path wouldn't necessarily use fossil fuels. What do other people believe?
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trojan_libido   Manufacturing the Singularity?   Nov 06, 2007, 05:00 AM
Joesus   A Douglass Fir takes about 6-700 years to reach ma...   Nov 06, 2007, 08:36 AM
trojan_libido   What makes you believe we're doing anything wr...   Nov 06, 2007, 08:55 AM
Joesus   What gives you the impression I think there is a...   Nov 06, 2007, 09:23 AM
trojan_libido   I use 'law' in a loose sense, because obvi...   Nov 07, 2007, 01:09 AM
Joesus   If we take your idea about inventions and apply ...   Nov 07, 2007, 08:43 AM
trojan_libido   I'm not entirely sure how that relates to what...   Nov 07, 2007, 10:30 AM
Rick   ... the path wouldn't necessarily use fossil f...   Nov 07, 2007, 12:48 PM
trojan_libido   Can you conceive of an alien carbon based lifeform...   Nov 07, 2007, 01:55 PM
Joesus   Lets take it to this level Thats a big univers...   Nov 07, 2007, 07:21 PM
trojan_libido   What I meant was we're the Universe experienci...   Nov 08, 2007, 12:16 AM
maximus242   Hmm, thats an interesting thought. I suppose if yo...   Nov 08, 2007, 02:15 AM
trojan_libido   Yes it is interesting and answers many questions w...   Nov 08, 2007, 04:06 AM
Joesus   I'm pretty sure you don't experience yours...   Nov 08, 2007, 08:15 AM
trojan_libido   That quote is the wiki definition of a fractal not...   Nov 08, 2007, 08:27 AM
Joesus   If enlightenment is part of the past then why is...   Nov 08, 2007, 11:56 PM
trojan_libido   I think we should leave the whole 'enlightenme...   Nov 09, 2007, 12:23 AM
Hudzon   All of them...?   Nov 09, 2007, 01:26 AM
trojan_libido   Thank you Hudzon, I see you understand the points ...   Nov 09, 2007, 01:43 AM
Joesus   Not if you don't know what true union is. T...   Nov 09, 2007, 08:34 AM
trojan_libido   I would say I represent in your universe the unive...   Nov 09, 2007, 02:03 PM
Joesus   Each viewpoint is relative, non can really suppor...   Nov 10, 2007, 09:22 AM
Enki   My question is fairly simple, is mass production ...   Nov 10, 2007, 01:02 PM
trojan_libido   I just wanted to know others opinions on the matte...   Nov 10, 2007, 02:25 PM
Enki   Let us hope that it is the same pattern. We do not...   Nov 11, 2007, 07:25 AM
trojan_libido   http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/tesla2.htm   Nov 13, 2007, 09:36 AM
Enki   If it get converted into one huge brain then the s...   Nov 16, 2007, 09:03 PM
Enki   E.g. in the city I dwell a gang of admirers of a R...   Nov 16, 2007, 09:22 PM
trojan_libido   Dont you see the similaries to the world wide web ...   Nov 17, 2007, 01:18 AM
Enki   What you say is correct only in case if we confine...   Nov 17, 2007, 11:50 AM


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