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Tim4848
post Sep 02, 2007, 09:35 PM
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Thank you for reading my thoughts,

You might remember me, I have been here before.

I now know how to communicate with future out of body people in a way that can be measured.

Please fill free to list any expert in this field of science that you know besides me?

Thank you once again for reading my thoughts,
Tim


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post Sep 06, 2007, 07:23 PM
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Rick, being a spiritual being, states his opinion
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I would say that (a) (healthy living) brain implies mind. No brain implies no mind. What you call "spirit" is part of mind.
And, I, too--being a spiritual being--agree that this is okay by me.

RICK, MORE DIALOGUE ON HOW WE USE THE TERMS 'MIND' AND 'SPIRIT'
You say that what I call "spirit" is part of mind. Interesting. It is certainly one of the most complex words in English.

Interestingly, my World Book Dictionary defines mind as,
1. that which thinks, feels and wills as in a human or other conscious being: The powers or processes of the mind.
2.The intellect or understanding, as contrasted with faculties of feeling or willing; intelligence: Some writers write about a "good mind"; "an upright heart and a cultivated mind. Such statements may be repugnant to the scientific mind, which is apt to dismiss them as metaphysical or mystical nonsense (R. Hadekel).
3. a person who has intelligence...
4. the intellectual capacities of a body of persons...
5. reason; sanity
6. mental or physical activity in general, as opposed to matter.
7. a conscious or intelligent agency or being: the doctrine of a mind creating the universe. A pulse in the eternal mind (Rupert Brooke).
8. a way of thinking and feeling; opinion; view,
9. bent or direction of thoughts, etc....
10. tendency of thinking or feeling in social or moral respects; spirit; temper...
(Edmund Burke wrote about how wars can continue in "hostile minds".
11. One can have an "anxious state of mind" , or "peace of mind".
12. desire, purpose, intention, or will.
13. attention, thought, or mental effort:Keep your mind on your work.
14. rememberance or recollection; memory: out of sight, out of mind.
15. commemoration.
16. Psychology the organized total of all conscious experience of the individual.
17 Mind. (In the belief of Christian Scientists) God.
Our word comes from the Old English gemynd memory, a memory, thinking.
WB, using dozens of expressions--for example, "bear in mnd"--then goes on for a hundred lines or more.
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Now that is what I call a complex term. So is 'spirit'.

It's primary meaning is:
1. the immaterial part of man; soul....
2. man's moral, religious, or moral nature....
3. a supernatural being such as a deity, fairy, elf, ghost....
4. a person, personality....
5. an influence that stirs up and rouses....
6. courage, vigor, liveliness....
7. enthusiasm and loyalty....
8. the real meaning or intent....
9. and 10. have to do with dyeing and chemistry. 11. alchemy
12. Spirit. (in the belief of Christian Scientists) God.

Pluralize it, as 'spirits' and it refers to a state of mind....and on and on for scores of lines.
Our word comes directly from the Latin spiritus related to air, wind, breath and the act of breathing. The Greek is pneuma from which we get 'pnuematology' 'pneumatic' and 'pneumonia'. The Hebrew is 'ruach'; the Arabic is 'ruh'.
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Interestingly, our word 'body' come from Old English bodig; Our word 'brains'--the Old English is braegen--can be used to refer to the physical organ, but it also be used as a doublet for intellectual power, mind, or intelligence.

AND NOW THE QUESTIONS RAISED
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When I look at the above I ask myself questions like:
Mind. Spirit. What's the difference? If there is a difference, what is it?
Is there any difference between an animal's mind and a human mind?
What is the difference between animal minds and human minds?
Are we the only animals who are self-aware?
Are some human-like beings not self-aware?
What are your questions?

At this point, I will speak only for myself: I have the feeling that, at my birth, I came into this world only as a potential mental and spiritual being--that is, a fully functioning human person, or a self-aware human spirit--faults and all. The human being I am now, for better or worse, is the result of my family, my community in which I was raised and the choices I made.

What of the future? If I choose to be a fully developed human spirit, at some point in my evolution I could become a spiritual person independent of my brain and/or body. This level of being requires on-going conscious intention and a real effort on my part.

Is it possible that some few may already be there?
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BTW, when one considers how complex any language can be it is easy to understand how easy it is misunderstand one another and miscommunicate, even when people are raised in the same language. It also points out how important it is to communicate, regardless of how we feel, with good intentions and in good faith--that is, in faith, hope and love.
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Tim4848   The Department of Positive out of Body Possibilities   Sep 02, 2007, 09:35 PM
trojan_libido   Can you explain what you mean please?   Sep 03, 2007, 07:27 AM
Rick   From some of his earlier posts, I think Tim means ...   Sep 04, 2007, 03:59 PM
Tim4848   From some of his earlier posts, I think Tim means...   Sep 05, 2007, 11:46 AM
Rick   Do you have proof that they cease to exist when th...   Sep 05, 2007, 03:45 PM
Enki   All scientific evidence and experience indicates ...   Sep 09, 2007, 01:05 PM
code buttons   All scientific evidence and experience indicates...   Sep 11, 2007, 08:48 AM
Enki   [quote name='Enki' post='82710' date='Sep 09, 200...   Sep 11, 2007, 12:29 PM
code buttons   Yes Code Buttons, Reductionism, Exactly! ...   Sep 11, 2007, 01:52 PM
Enki   [quote name='Enki' post='82806' date='Sep 11, 200...   Sep 11, 2007, 07:38 PM
Tim4848   [quote name='Enki' post='82806' date='Sep 11, 20...   Oct 10, 2007, 09:36 PM
Enki   I am setting up the biggest event in somebody lif...   Oct 12, 2007, 10:45 AM
maximus242   I am setting up the biggest event in somebody li...   Dec 11, 2007, 11:56 PM
Lindsay   For what it is worth, check out the following: ===...   Sep 04, 2007, 08:21 PM
trojan_libido   So where does that leave science then? OBE's ...   Sep 04, 2007, 11:18 PM
Lindsay   So where does that leave science then? ... Perhap...   Sep 05, 2007, 01:00 PM
Flex   Doesn't the pineal gland play a major role in ...   Sep 05, 2007, 10:00 AM
Lindsay   "...now that would be a fun conference to be ...   Sep 05, 2007, 01:10 PM
trojan_libido   I doubt the organism you call self will exist, but...   Sep 05, 2007, 11:20 PM
Lindsay   Rick, I am glad you said, "indicates". ...   Sep 06, 2007, 08:10 AM
Rick   Question: would you say, no brain, no mind, no spi...   Sep 06, 2007, 12:04 PM
Lindsay   I FOUND THE FOLLOWING RATHER INTERESTING =========...   Sep 06, 2007, 08:19 AM
Lindsay   Rick, being a spiritual being, states his opinion ...   Sep 06, 2007, 07:23 PM
Rick   My cat gives very spirited chase to mice and birds...   Sep 07, 2007, 09:38 AM
Lindsay   My cat gives very spirited chase to mice and bird...   Sep 07, 2007, 12:41 PM
Enki   Thank you for reading my thoughts, You might rem...   Sep 09, 2007, 12:59 PM
Rick   If it's not the case, then I suggest you show ...   Sep 10, 2007, 12:10 PM
Enki   If it's not the case, then I suggest you show...   Sep 11, 2007, 11:57 AM
Rick   I hope that opinion and observations of the former...   Sep 11, 2007, 01:41 PM
Enki   [quote name='Enki' post='82804' date='Sep 11, 200...   Sep 11, 2007, 07:28 PM
Tim4848   Dear Santa, I have really been good this year, co...   Dec 11, 2007, 10:06 PM


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