Zeitgeist the movie Options

[simon]

Has anyone else seen this movie. Any comments!?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...481422995115331

[Hey Hey]

Spotted several issues with this (e.g. calendar changes over the centuries mean the 25th Dec is problematic. Also, recent changes to the astrological calendar are not accounted for. Having said that, they aren't taken into account by most astrologers, but then, they aren't the brightest group of people!). However, the video is more believable than the Bible! Certainly engaging rather than boring. Can we expect sequels for Islam, Hinduism etc etc?

[Joesus]

I liked it but the idea that Jesus never existed is a speculation based on incomplete information. There are some other important factors that have been left out in the relationship of the Astrological significance of our solar system to the central Sun or the corresponding galaxies and the suns that make up the constellations and life in these systems.

Jesus once said,"It is good that one can recognize God in me but when one worships me as a God outside of themselves then they do not recognize God but some ideal or an imaginary image, and this is idolatry."

The rest is a relative mirror of fear which is being generated and nurtured by the ego. We (humanity) are well entertained, and it is the ego that believes this is the meaning of life to elevate and glorify individuality and all of the senses that exemplify the individual. The duality or separation of greatness in our union with each other is sacrificed by the beliefs we create and we are willing to sacrifice freedom at the cost of that greatness simply because we believe it is in the hands of fate or some other authority outside of ourselves, thus perpetuating individuality and separation.

[kortikal]

Jesus once said,"It is good that one can recognize God in me but when one worships me as a God outside of themselves then they do not recognize God but some ideal or an imaginary image, and this is idolatry."

The rest is a relative mirror of fear which is being generated and nurtured by the ego. We (humanity) are well entertained, and it is the ego that believes this is the meaning of life to elevate and glorify individuality and all of the senses that exemplify the individual. The duality or separation of greatness in our union with each other is sacrificed by the beliefs we create and we are willing to sacrifice freedom at the cost of that greatness simply because we believe it is in the hands of fate or some other authority outside of ourselves, thus perpetuating individuality and separation.

you are an infinitesimal speck in a vast cosmos, and subscribe to the delusion that the part is equal to the whole. Sounds like someone here is suffering from a God-complex.

[Joesus]

I subscribe to the fact that there are no parts that make a whole. The idea that there are parts, is created from imagination.
Suffering and the beliefs that create suffering are created from the whole by mentally manipulating it into imagined realities.

You can close your eyes and daydream any experience you wish but when you come back to yourself whatever is most strong in the impressions of who you are remain.
Consciousness has no qualities that are static other than those that are projected upon it.

If you stand aside of the identification with your minuscule speck-ness, there is an experience of the Self that has no limits or boundaries.

The ones mentioned in the movie who easily manipulate the worlds economy and education know this and have done a great job in helping others believe in their ineffectual self power. They don't believe it tho, and have enjoyed the power that comes from their own infinite potential, twisted as it is.

[Hey Hey]

I subscribe to the fact ...

Cancel your subscription. You were sucked in by the marketing! There are none.

[Joesus]

None what?
No connection that exists between one human and another, or humanity and nature, or self empowerment above and beyond the prescribed inevitability that you are destined to die and that is the end of it?

Been there, done that.

[trojan_libido]

This movie consolodated a lot of feelings and thoughts I'd had on my own. Awesome, frightening, enlightening, what else do you want from your entertainment?

Joesus, you need to relinquish your attitude to religion for once. God is really in everyone, in everything, it is a term to collectively name the Universe. The son is the sun, its there in history to see if you open your enlightened eyes and take a look for once. Sun worship was THE worship, nothing changed except the establishments aims and the terminology.

[Joesus]

Joesus, you need to relinquish your attitude to religion for once. God is really in everyone, in everything, it is a term to collectively name the Universe.

It is even more than that. So why should I relinquish something that you believe in?

The son is the sun, its there in history to see if you open your enlightened eyes and take a look for once. Sun worship was THE worship, nothing changed except the establishments aims and the terminology.

I hope you didn't just bend over and accept an idea in a 40 minute excerpt out of a two hour movie that Egyptian philosophy and the entire bible is based solely on Astrology and Sun worship.

[trojan_libido]

It is even more than that. So why should I relinquish something that you believe in?

More than the Universe? The container of the Universe or maybe the Multiverse? Infinity to the power of Infinity? How can it be more than that when it is the void? Riddle me this...mwahahaha.

I hope you didn't just bend over and accept an idea in a 40 minute excerpt out of a two hour movie that Egyptian philosophy and the entire bible is based solely on Astrology and Sun worship.

I actually did my own research into the history of religion and what possible environmental factors would shape consciousness to believe in duality. Funnily enough it was NIGHT AND DAY! I was also well aware of the presented evidence before I watched this, I was just pleased it had been put together so nicely that the average numpty could understand. I dont think the movie even said the entire bible was based on Astrology and the Sun.

I guess its pointless argueing about the authority of the Bible with someone whose screen name is Joesus and who confuses every arguement with Zen like BS.

[Joesus]

More than the Universe? The container of the Universe or maybe the Multiverse? Infinity to the power of Infinity? How can it be more than that when it is the void? Riddle me this.....

What can be put into words yet is beyond all words and experience? (your riddle)

I don't think the movie even said the entire bible was based on Astrology and the Sun.

They did suggest that the bible was written about Astrology, the 12 disciples were really the 12 signs of the zodiac and that there wasn't any real evidence that Jesus ever existed even tho they compared his birth to several other names of similar birth.
I think it was you who said Christianity is based on sun worship rather than the "Christ" in Man as was described in Jesus relationship with God as the Son of God. The Bible actually refers to the Christ in all Men which was Jesus' message.
Tho sun worship was a pagan ritual, the Egyptians actually had a deeper understanding of the Suns relationship with the universe. The symbol of the Sun was not only a celestial symbol representing the sun in the sky but God as described in Christian and Eastern Hindu Texts. The Circle with all its rays represents totality and its radiance into the manifest.
They also failed in their comparisons to mention Melchizedek who was born not of a womb or of a mother but who manifested as a fully grown adult and was not crucified but left the same way he came.

I actually did my own research into the history of religion and what possible environmental factors would shape consciousness to believe in duality.

So how did you come up with "Sun worship was THE worship, nothing changed except the establishments aims and the terminology."? How does religion trace itself to sun worship if duality in conscious awareness being separation of man with all things is exemplified throughout the bible and in the Eastern Traditions?

Then there is Egyptian Philosophy Which can be traced to the Science of God, levels of celestial life of spirit in manifestation similar to Hindu Sciences....

There is a lot to take in.

Why narrow it all down to Sun worship?

I guess its pointless argueing about the authority of the Bible with someone whose screen name is Joesus and who confuses every arguement with Zen like BS.

It would be pointless to argue for limitations and ignore the Truth, but its never pointless to live, grow and understand the meaning of Life. Truth can be Zen like, but B.S. is all in the perception of how you create and interpret your own reality. Duality is created in the separation of God in Man. If you cannot See God in me and in all things then it may just be B.S. if that is as far as you are willing to go with it while you hang onto your own images of personal value.

The infinite is beyond all words and measure, if you can only measure the nature of spirituality by its images of superstition then you haven't really seen into the heart of man or understood the nature of religion.

[trojan_libido]

Without imagery there would be no reality, and then understanding is impossible. The point I was making is the original beliefs that began the whole religious line of thought, regardless of what the doctrines state now, is our understanding that the Sun is the bringer of light. Its so obvious its completely overlooked.

you said:

"How does religion trace itself to sun worship if duality in conscious awareness being separation of man with all things is exemplified throughout the bible and in the Eastern Traditions?"

I'm hard pressed to work out what your saying here to be honest. Why should the duality present in our culture, our biology, our science and therefore our minds, be the separation of of man with all things??

Zen statements are designed to stop the mind in its tracks, to make you realise that some things are innapropriate for words. Therefore these statements should be left out of all discussions, especially forum posts.

My understanding of duality in a physical sense is simple. No value can be given to anything without first having a scale. Whether that is a measuring stick or a love/hate perception. Polarity is duality, and although I think this I don't believe the positive or negative is actual polarity/God. Only by accepting both as aspects of the same phenonema can you describe it. Both are necessary.

But evolving conscious and learning that the Sun brings light, warmth and food to the world is a deep intuitive knowledge that has been cradled by the environment. The environment which places the Sun as the creator.

Light has manifested into different vehicles of biological energy, this is as deep as you need to go to understand the real teachings behind religion. We should respect the Sun as the original deity in history, and update religions now consciousness has risen to the point where it doesnt need these sunday-school stories.

I still find little information from your post on your actual beliefs and background Joesus, simply verbal smoke and mirrors.

[Hey Hey]

None what?

I subscribe to the fact ...

Cancel your subscription. You were sucked in by the marketing! There are none.

Keep your eye on the ball - facts.

[Joesus]

Keep your eye on the ball - facts.

You mean those iconic statements made by someone other than yourself and your own personal experience in the matter of a subject.
Personally I'd rather dive into a subject heart mind body and soul rather than assume the experience of another as my own.

Without imagery there would be no reality, and then understanding is impossible. The point I was making is the original beliefs that began the whole religious line of thought, regardless of what the doctrines state now, is our understanding that the Sun is the bringer of light. Its so obvious its completely overlooked.

No it has not been overlooked unless you reduce all thoughts of the universe and its existence to the support of the sun.
Man used to think the sun revolved around the earth and that the earth was the central point and beginning of all life.
I don't think your statement of the obvious is relative to the reality of religions or their beliefs so it may not be so obvious to everyone. It may be relative to your personal beliefs tho.

"How does religion trace itself to sun worship if duality in conscious awareness being separation of man with all things is exemplified throughout the bible and in the Eastern Traditions?"

I'm hard pressed to work out what your saying here to be honest. Why should the duality present in our culture, our biology, our science and therefore our minds, be the separation of of man with all things??

You would be hard pressed only because you don't understand duality as it is described in scripture?

Zen statements are designed to stop the mind in its tracks, to make you realise that some things are innapropriate for words. Therefore these statements should be left out of all discussions, especially forum posts.

Well you are the one who calls them Zen statements and believe they are designed to take mind out of the picture.
I would think that Zen Buddhists would expand mental images to include that which cannot be contained in words. This would eliminate any potential to take the unknown and simply reducing it to what someone assumes is a finite understanding of the infinite. Spirituality is the essence of religion, all religions actually. Even the religion of measurements.

My understanding of duality in a physical sense is simple. No value can be given to anything without first having a scale. Whether that is a measuring stick or a love/hate perception. Polarity is duality, and although I think this I don't believe the positive or negative is actual polarity/God. Only by accepting both as aspects of the same phenonema can you describe it. Both are necessary.

Do you consider any value in searching beyond the present values to make discoveries of that which has yet to be included in experiences of self measure?
If you ignore what has not been discovered and exclude that potential from what has been considered real, then you would reduce the infinite to a finite reality? This would limit God to a level of understanding, rather than all potential understanding inclusive of everyones experiences and understandings.
Who or what system of past present or future measurement then would you suggest be The Authority?

But evolving conscious and learning that the Sun brings light, warmth and food to the world is a deep intuitive knowledge that has been cradled by the environment. The environment which places the Sun as the creator.

What then is the creator of the Sun and the Suns relative to the 400 billion galaxies? Why reduce the knowledge of man to those few examples of speculation that man has never been as intelligent as the best minds of today and the relative acceptance of its totality of assumptions about the universe and mans relationship to it?

Light has manifested into different vehicles of biological energy, this is as deep as you need to go to understand the real teachings behind religion.

Too late, Ive gone beyond this reduction of infinite potential or to reduce the unknown to the imaginings of the known. I see no point to believe all that is measured is all that will be measured and all that will exist.

We should respect the Sun as the original deity in history, and update religions now consciousness has risen to the point where it doesnt need these sunday-school stories.

Reduce the philosophy and science of spirituality today to the beliefs of pagan sun worship? That's hilarious.
But seriously what would we gain by turning all religions toward worshiping the sun? And more importantly how would you structure the actual worship?

I still find little information from your post on your actual beliefs and background Joesus, simply verbal smoke and mirrors.

My post doesn't delve into my beliefs and background, which is probably why it eludes you.

[Hey Hey]

Keep your eye on the ball - facts.

You mean those iconic statements made by someone other than yourself and your own personal experience in the matter of a subject.
Personally I'd rather dive into a subject heart mind body and soul rather than assume the experience of another as my own.

Even though you subscribe to them:

I subscribe to the fact

[Joesus]

Even though you subscribe to them:

I wouldn't subscribe to something if it wasn't my own personal experience, that is a fact.

[Hey Hey]

Even though you subscribe to them:

I wouldn't subscribe to something if it wasn't my own personal experience, that is a fact.

Fair enough.

[trojan_libido]

No it has not been overlooked unless you reduce all thoughts of the universe and its existence to the support of the sun.
Man used to think the sun revolved around the earth and that the earth was the central point and beginning of all life.
I don't think your statement of the obvious is relative to the reality of religions or their beliefs so it may not be so obvious to everyone. It may be relative to your personal beliefs tho.

You would be hard pressed only because you don't understand duality as it is described in scripture?

I don't subscribe to scripture Joesus. I view it as art and insight, then I link it to reality using what I hope is rational thought.

Well you are the one who calls them Zen statements and believe they are designed to take mind out of the picture.

Whether someone says something simple or amazingly profound, its worth nothing if people are unable to grasp the meaning. Your posts are full of these comments, one line brain teasers.

Do you consider any value in searching beyond the present values to make discoveries of that which has yet to be included in experiences of self measure?... Who or what system of past present or future measurement then would you suggest be The Authority?

This is taking my post out of context. I was giving an example of how conscious thought has to include this duality to give value to things. Your assuming I'm saying that the unperceivable reality of "God" can be measured as long as we have a long enough stick

What then is the creator of the Sun and the Suns relative to the 400 billion galaxies? Why reduce the knowledge of man to those few examples of speculation that man has never been as intelligent as the best minds of today and the relative acceptance of its totality of assumptions about the universe and mans relationship to it?

Reduce the philosophy and science of spirituality today to the beliefs of pagan sun worship? That's hilarious.
But seriously what would we gain by turning all religions toward worshiping the sun? And more importantly how would you structure the actual worship?

Its a fractal system, we know this and we shouldn't make the Sun the central entity in any religious thought. I merely pointed out that the worship of the Sun is actually a more direct and appropriate worship. Of course there are systems above the level of the Sun that are even nearer the concept of deity, but the Sun is the node of the fractal web that has spawned our solar system, therefore it is our link to this process.

What is hilarious is your twisting of what I'm putting across. Granted I'm not the most elegant of posters, but I never attempt to twist anyone elses words but merely understand them.

In answer: I would create a worship that was based on honesty and what we know so far! There is plenty of spirituality in actually understanding the workings on the Universe, plenty food for thought for philosophers. You seem terrified of stripping away the scriptures to reveal their true mystery, hanging on to archaic ideas. Yes there are valid ideas within them, but no I dont subscribe to them. The real information should be laid bare for all to see, then your religions grip begins to falter and people break free.

Too late, Ive gone beyond this reduction of infinite potential or to reduce the unknown to the imaginings of the known. I see no point to believe all that is measured is all that will be measured and all that will exist.

You've gone beyond any discussion in this thread now, you've jumped the gun and gone back to your ever-so-enlightening statements. Joesus is the enlightened one, /worship.

My post doesn't delve into my beliefs and background, which is probably why it eludes you.

It eludes me because of the content. I quite aware you've studied a lot of scripture of different religions, and from your screename I assume you allign yourself with catholic/christian religion. However your post does not elude me because of this, it eludes me because its full of misdirection, smoke and mirrors.

[Joesus]

I don't subscribe to scripture Joesus. I view it as art and insight, then I link it to reality using what I hope is rational thought.......

Whether someone says something simple or amazingly profound, its worth nothing if people are unable to grasp the meaning.

Well said. You can't grasp the meaning of anything if you don't understand it. What happens when someone doesn't grasp the meaning of something? They get emotional or ignore it or project a best guess.
Scripture is simply text written by those who have had an experience and one that can be reached by anyone. The main theme of all scripture is the power that lay within the individual beyond the ego's programming of being separate from God and each other. Granted you cannot describe the reality of that in a few sentences but if you don't look into it you won't understand it, and if you aren't interested in it because your interest lay somewhere else you will be ignorant of it.
I don't know anything about brain surgery so I'm ignorant of brain surgery. I know of it but have no interest in it and have not pursued the subject. Thing is I have no superstitions about it and its existence doesn't threaten me.

There exists in the majority of humanity a fear of the unknown and that fear creates illusions and superstitious reactions about certain subjects especially if something threatens their way of thinking and living. One of the most controversial subjects on this planet is God.
Like yourself most people lean on what they understand and know, and try to fit all unknowns into the known box.

Your posts are full of these comments, one line brain teasers.

My posts address reality and I've responded appropriately to your beliefs that I should give up what I know and join you in what you know.

Do you consider any value in searching beyond the present values to make discoveries of that which has yet to be included in experiences of self measure?... Who or what system of past present or future measurement then would you suggest be The Authority?

This is taking my post out of context. I was giving an example of how conscious thought has to include this duality to give value to things. Your assuming I'm saying that the unperceivable reality of "God" can be measured as long as we have a long enough stick

No I wasn't taking it out of context. You make the same comment many do that reality is what you understand and can touch feel and see. Knowledge as it exists in your mind is limited only by what you focus on as reality. You stated:

No value can be given to anything without first having a scale.

The only measuring stick you have is your own experience. what you lean on in knowledge and experience can only be that which is similar to yours or that which sounds similar to yours. You will then discard all others that you do not resonate with or understand.
Obviously there are millions of people with different beliefs and experiences of life than yours and they may contest your beliefs if you confront them with yours.
You meet me here with your best understanding of life and then reject automatically what you refuse to accept as anything that can be measured by your understandings and accepted knowledge of reality.
As you continue to assimilate experiences and knowledge your reality will change. It may be that it only changes a little or it may change alot, that only depends on how rigid you are in your beliefs and how open you are to change in perception and experience.

Its a fractal system, we know this and we shouldn't make the Sun the central entity in any religious thought. I merely pointed out that the worship of the Sun is actually a more direct and appropriate worship. Of course there are systems above the level of the Sun that are even nearer the concept of deity, but the Sun is the node of the fractal web that has spawned our solar system, therefore it is our link to this process.

Ok lets work with that.
In some scripture it says that the Sun spawned the outer planets first. Each time the sun gave birth to another planet it displaced the orbital path of the previous planet bumping it out into an orbit further from the sun. The same scripture goes on to say that the Planet created from the Sun is of the same substance as the Sun and contains all properties that the sun has even tho the appearance of its cooled surface makes it appear to be different. What takes place on the surface as creation continues is in relationship to its position relative to its source.
This description goes on to say that light and heat doesn't travel through thousands of miles of cold space to heat the planets surface but as the surface turns towards the sun heat and energy that is within the planet itself in a sort of stasis arises to reach outward towards its origin.
This relationship of the Sun to its offspring which you have somewhat touched on with the idea of the sun spawning its planets and the bigger picture of the spawning of solar systems within Galaxies has in your own words a deity-like appearance.
Scripture takes this a bit further to describe the relationship of man not at the surface appearance but the level of energy that exists within the Creator having its presence in the Son of God or man itself which is why the bible speaks of both the Son of Man and the Son of God.
There are thousands of texts written about that energy and the unlimited ability of the creator within all man.
Tho people won't always believe that the things described within these texts are possible without proof, they don't always believe they are possible even if they witness it with their own eyes if they don't understand it and they believe beyond a doubt that they cannot do what they see.
This creates conflict within the mind of man and the further away they turn from the source within the further they distance themselves from their own abilities to create limitations and separation from reality.

I would create a worship that was based on honesty and what we know so far! There is plenty of spirituality in actually understanding the workings on the Universe, plenty food for thought for philosophers.

Who is this we and how much do you really know of the understandings of the workings of the universe?
Have you accessed all there is to know in this planet that exists here and now? Is all knowledge plain to see and out in the open?
In my own experience if you are looking for something specific you will walk right by anything that doesn't fit the idea you wish to entertain.

You seem terrified of stripping away the scriptures to reveal their true mystery, hanging on to archaic ideas. Yes there are valid ideas within them, but no I dont subscribe to them.

You've only seen what you want to see in what I have written. Rather than stripping away everything that doesn't fit to leave only what you want to see, open your mind to see further without leaving what you understand out, expanding your mind beyond its present level of reality and perception.

My post doesn't delve into my beliefs and background, which is probably why it eludes you.


It eludes me because of the content. I quite aware you've studied a lot of scripture of different religions, and from your screename I assume you allign yourself with catholic/christian religion.

Well there you go, if you make an assumption and go no further you take a position and without opening yourself to another possibility only see so far.
I originally came here as "Joe." I then got into some similar discussions with Dan, a member and moderator of this board who told me I should change my name to Joesus and I obliged him. BTW he accused me of being a Hindu fanatic. He later met an Indian girl whom he married and her father is a Hindu Mystic, you gotta love the irony since he was marrying into a family that represented everything he criticized in me.
I align myself with the Truth that exists in all religions. Christianity only became known as Christianity after it was tied to Jesus the Christed man or "anointed one" and the teachings of Jesus regarding the Christ in Man. The lineage of his Teaching goes back as far as history can provide written information of humanity.

[trojan_libido]

Its seems we've almost reached an informal agreement that the Deity perceived in religions is THE deity, but also only a ghost of the Deity. I definately have the potential to understand a lot more about our position in the cosmos, but equally I believe you could relent a little more and agree with more of the things posted here in this thread.

Jesus is really the "Sun". God is beyond knowledge but his image is present in the spiralling movements of our reality. I'm glad we've had this head to head, and although our opinions differ, our truths lie on the same path.

[Joesus]

I believe you could relent a little more and agree with more of the things posted here in this thread.

Beliefs change and I'm not required to agree with you, only find the common point that allows you to have a belief even if it differs from any I might have.

Jesus is really the "Sun". God is beyond knowledge but his image is present in the spiralling movements of our reality.

If the sun were to have a point of reference as described in Christianity such as the Father Son and Holy Spirit, the Sun would be closer to the Father. That which is referenced as the originator of the offspring.
Jesus represents all of man, the offspring of God and the manifestation of active intelligent thinking force.
Which is why he is called the Son of God. Because he's is the same as God in the sense that he is built of God or the essence of God, he is said to be God.
When Jesus said, "I and my Father are One" he was making a statement to his conscious awareness of his Father and all that the Father is in the manifest or Union with God.
In the Teachings of Jesus the central message is that Humans can find and consciously join God in all thought feeling and action.

[Joesus]

feeling is that which propels thought into action. Joeâ€Â¦there is not much feeling offered in your sharingâ€Â¦

Clear intent creates. There are many types of feelings and as such they are mostly reactive to perceptions of duality. I've seen many try to make things happen by dramatizing their beliefs and creating feelings, (sort of like straining during a bowel movement) but it mostly makes one feel like they are doing more than if they weren't trying to push it out.
Personally I haven't needed to get a feeling to make manifest that which is already available to me, nor do I need to have a feeling to influence Truth or to make it come forth.
I don't detect much feeling in your belief either Dianah but I don't judge someones sincerity or perceptions by their level of feeling and so I don't look to measure feelings to find sincerity or conviction.
That might be the measuring stick Trojan mentions to support a perception of reality; comparing feelings to measure who has the greatest manifestation ability.

[cerebral]

Clear intent creates.

the million dollar question: what is your intent and what do you create? And while I'm here: Do you feel desire to create? What are the roles of creativity, creation, intent, and desire in your worldview? Would you take the blue pill or the red?

[trojan_libido]

The Trinity to me is the Father/Sun, The Son/Earth and the Holy Spirit/Light manifesting. Taking the idea as a metaphorical family, The Father is the Sun, the Mother is the Earth and the Holy Spirit is again light manifesting. This is repeated on all levels though as Dianah wrote:

The Sun-son is consciousness that enfolds and unfolds in infinitude, forever becoming.
There really is no Father, Mother or son…only potential becoming.

Reality is like a flower constantly in bloom and dying at the same time, like the Hindu creator-destroyer Shiva and his Nataraja Dance. The big bang is still happening.

The Sun is singing, its magnetic fields are resonating low level sound, the planets have their own songs (see Saturns Hexagon and Cymatics). Reality is built from resonating sound waves.

Sound is all there is, and we love to make a noise as we go through life.

[Joesus]

Clear intent creates.

the million dollar question: what is your intent and what do you create? And while I'm here: Do you feel desire to create? What are the roles of creativity, creation, intent, and desire in your worldview? Would you take the blue pill or the red?

My intention is Gods intention, what I create is what God creates, growth and expansion of conscious activity.
The desire to create comes in waves of impressions. As one becomes more in tune with the nature of reality and the desires of the ego, one can makes choices that are inclusive of humanity rather than exclusive to the ego.

As one becomes more consciously aware of their role in humanity one automatically thinks and acts in accord with the upward expansion of conscious evolution in terms of human development and growth of the planet.

The red pill.

[kortikal]

My intention is Gods intention, what I create is what God creates

like I said, a God-complex!

[Rick]

In some established religious traditions, everyone is god. When someone finally realizes he is god, the others say "what took you so long?"

Conversely, in those traditions, those who do not yet realize they are god are looked upon as somewhat backward or slow.

[Hey Hey]

In some established religious traditions, everyone is god. When someone finally realizes he is god, the others say "what took you so long?"

Conversely, in those traditions, those who do not yet realize they are god are looked upon as somewhat backward or slow.

Rick, BrainMeta are very shrewd in this respect. Hence we and it recognized ourselves as Gods many postings ago.

[Joesus]

My intention is Gods intention, what I create is what God creates

like I said, a God-complex!

No, Self realization, nothing complex about it.

[kortikal]

what if your Self realization is a delusion, a pleasant lie? You claim identity with God but you don't know this for certain. This is a pleasant belief of yours, but by no means valid. Have you considered, what if your ideas about identity with God are incorrect? What then, would your world come tumbling down because you can't accept that you are not identical to God? Does enlightenment mean the loss of a critical, questioning mind and the acceptance of fantasy notions? If you believe to be identical to God, then so is the lowest life form, the earth slug. Are you comparable to an earth slug? Do you worship the earth slug as identical to God? Clearly we need to differentiate the parts from the whole, and you cannot admit to yourself that you are an infinitesimal speck of dust in an overwhelming Kosmos. The notion of separation from God scares you inside. You fear living your life in vain. Hopefully the self realization was worth it, eh? And not just some pleasant delusion. Reminds me of belief in the afterlife. People cling to these beliefs so vigorously, and the harder they cling and more staunchly they defend their beliefs, the further down the cul-de-sac they go, not admitting to themselves and definitely not to anyone else that the road they're on leads to a dead end.