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UFO files: Winston Churchill 'feared panic' over Second World War RAF incident

watch video: h ttp : // www . telegraph . co . uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/7926037/UFO-files-Winston-Churchill-feared-panic-over-Second-World-War-RAF-incident . html

By Andrew Hough, and Peter Hutchison
Published: 12:01AM BST 05 Aug 2010

Winston Churchill was accused of ordering a cover-up of a Second World War encounter between a UFO and a RAF bomber because he feared public "panic" and loss of faith in religion, newly released secret files disclose.

The former Prime Minister allegedly banned reporting of the “bizarre” incident, off the east coast of England, for half a century amid fears disclosures about unidentified flying objects would create public hysteria.

He is said to have made the orders during a secret war meeting with US General Dwight Eisenhower, the then commander of the Allied Forces, at an undisclosed location in America during the latter part of the conflict.


The claims are contained in thousands of pages of declassified files on UFOs, released on Thursday online by the National Archives: h ttp : // ufos . nationalarchives . gov . uk/ .

The 18 files, which cover from 1995 to 2003, are made up of more than 5,000 pages of reports, letters, and drawings drawn from correspondence with the public and questions raised in parliament.

The allegations involving Churchill were made by the grandson of one his personal bodyguards, an RAF officer who overheard the discussion, who wrote to the Ministry of Defence in 1999 inquiring about the incident after his grandfather disclosed details to his family.

According to the series of letters, written by the guard's grandson who is now a physicist from Leicester, a reconnaissance plane and its crew were returning from a mission over occupied Europe when they were involved in the war incident.

During their flight, on the English coast, possibly near Cumbria, their aircraft was approached by a metallic UFO which shadowed them.

Photographs of the object, which the crew claimed had “hovered noiselessly” near the plane, were taken by the crew.

Later, during discussions about the unexplained incident, the two men were claimed to have become so concerned by the incident that Churchill ordered it remain secret for 50 years or more.

During the meeting, a weapons expert dismissed suggestions the object was a missile as the event was "totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time".

Another person at the meeting raised the possibility of a UFO, at which point Churchill ordered the report to be classified for at least half a century and reviewed by the prime minister to stop “panic” spreading.

“There was a general inability for either side to match a plausible account to these observations, and this caused a high degree of concern,” wrote the scientist, whose details are redacted.

"Mr Churchill is reported to have made a declaration to the effect of the following: 'This event should be immediately classified since it would create mass panic among the general population and destroy one's belief in the Church'."

Apart from telling his daughter – the scientist’s mother – about the incident when she was nine, the bodyguard, who was “greatly affected by his experience”, only disclosed the details to his wife on his deathbed in 1973.

The scientist, also an expert in astronomy who said he developed software for use in "spacecraft thermal engineering", was told years later by his mother.

Stressing he was not a “crackpot”, he said he wanted to investigate the science behind the incident after his grandfather, who was bound by the Official Secrets Act, remained convinced that the object was secret technology being tested by a foreign power.

After investigating the claims, an MoD official said there was no evidence to support the claims as all “UFO files before 1967 were destroyed after five years” due to insufficient public interest. This was supported by a Cabinet Office official.

While there was documents supporting the events, historians last night believed it more than likely occurred.

They said that Churchill had a known interest with UFOs, even asking for a report in 1952 on “flying saucers” and what it “amounted to”.

Dr David Clarke, author of The UFO files and Senior Lecturer in Journalism at Sheffield Hallam University, said the “fascinating” files showed the level of concern about such “bizarre incidents” during the war.

“It does tie in with what we already know as you have to remember that this was also long before the phrase UFO was created,” he said.

“I suspect there is an element of truth to the statement.”
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post Aug 05, 2010, 01:51 PM
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What a funny news about Sir Winston, is not it?
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QUOTE(Homegamek @ Aug 05, 2010, 01:51 PM) *

What a funny news about Sir Winston, is not it?

You have to look at it within the context of the time in order to get a better perspective. The incident happened within just a couple of years of the in(famous) Orson Welles alien invasion radio prank here in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)
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post Aug 06, 2010, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(Homegamek @ Aug 05, 2010, 05:51 PM) *

What a funny news about Sir Winston, is not it?

no.... not really!
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post Aug 06, 2010, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(code%2520buttons @ Aug 06, 2010, 06:29 AM) *

QUOTE(Homegamek @ Aug 05, 2010, 01:51 PM) *

What a funny news about Sir Winston, is not it?

You have to look at it within the context of the time in order to get a better perspective. The incident happened within just a couple of years of the in(famous) Orson Welles alien invasion radio prank here in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)


And then for more than a decade as Sir Winston was roaming near apex of British Power the Common People of England were remaining in Common Unawareness about watchful presence of some unknown forces. And all this "to protect their religious believes… " A remarkable example of ‘Democratic’ approach on behalf of a tactful British Aristocrat. Btw, have you noted that by now it is 2010 and only now we learn about those facts. Now imagine what else they are hiding...

No one knows about the extent of extraterrestrial manipulation. The only fact that we are visited demands re analyzing of entire history of mankind from that point of view, including security measures. It is a political matter of international scale. United Nations must take swift actions after that publication to evaluate dangers coming to Human Race from those technologies.

If world governments shall not take swift open actions to increase peoples' awareness, then it is right and it is the duty of the people to act accordingly. In view of the news about Sir Winston now it is quite clear that Man in Black saga, X-Men saga etc it is a direct propaganda aiming to reconcile mankind with an idea that we are not alone here and moreover that ‘green men’, eventually, may get discovered to be a part of our government or even upper managerial elite, e.g. as USA President Woodrow Wilson once mentioned:

"Some of the biggest men in the United States are afraid of something. They know there is a power somewhere, so organised, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." -- USA President Woodrow Wilson

Funny is not it?
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post Aug 26, 2010, 07:50 PM
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post Aug 27, 2010, 08:22 AM
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Everyone has a digital camera/camcorder in their pocket (if only on a mobile phone) and yet almost every UFO picture looks fuzzy and distant. The rest are Chinese lanterns or balloons. Just one piece of credible evidence would do.
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post Aug 27, 2010, 11:09 AM
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Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 27, 2010, 08:09 PM) *

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
Absence of evidence is the norm in science ... until we obtain the evidence, or not. To be honest, I don't think we are looking very hard for evidence of ET life. Now spending the equal of the cost of invading Iraq or playing the big heads in Afghanistan, that would be something. That there is life on Earth is quite a good foundation on which to base a rigorous and long term search for ET life, but our efforts are meagre. And looking out there for ET life does not equal belief in UFOs, abductions and the balmy rest. Spend some money on Mars to look for primitive life or past life, that would be a start. Past Mars visits have been almost comical. Let's get serious.
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post Aug 27, 2010, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Aug 27, 2010, 11:22 AM) *

Everyone has a digital camera/camcorder in their pocket (if only on a mobile phone) and yet almost every UFO picture looks fuzzy and distant. The rest are Chinese lanterns or balloons. Just one piece of credible evidence would do.

yes yes, either #1 "there are no close up photos" or #2"all close up photos are faked along with the other data" pick and choose which generic response, today HEY HEY picked #1. tomorrow someone will say #2. while you make these kinds of posts, governments of the world chuckle and already concluded the ET presence over 50 years ago.
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post Aug 29, 2010, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(Tone @ Aug 28, 2010, 06:55 AM) *

QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Aug 27, 2010, 11:22 AM) *

Everyone has a digital camera/camcorder in their pocket (if only on a mobile phone) and yet almost every UFO picture looks fuzzy and distant. The rest are Chinese lanterns or balloons. Just one piece of credible evidence would do.

yes yes, either #1 "there are no close up photos" or #2"all close up photos are faked along with the other data" pick and choose which generic response, today HEY HEY picked #1. tomorrow someone will say #2. while you make these kinds of posts, governments of the world chuckle and already concluded the ET presence over 50 years ago.
So what are you going to do about it? Where is the evidence? Do you have any? There is as much credible evidence for ghosts and god as for real UFOs. I look forward to seeing some good evidence, not the youtube crackpots.
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post Aug 29, 2010, 07:19 PM
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if there were truly evidence the world would know it.... thats why god made man intelligent and he made sheep.... well, bahhhh
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if there were truly evidence the world would know it.... thats why god made man intelligent and he made sheep.... well, bahhhh

Don't talk about sheep!... Phi is back!
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Aug 30, 2010, 01:27 PM) *

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if there were truly evidence the world would know it.... thats why god made man intelligent and he made sheep.... well, bahhhh

Don't talk about sheep!... Phi is back!
Unfortunately, evidence for aliens is so woolly that sheep just had to be mentioned sometime! Maybe the idiom was wrong and it should have been, "Sheep might fly!"
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I mean common now people (and pot smoking monkeys).... I do not believe that I am that gullible.... are you? What about you.... or you? I believe that if it were a reality that, not only I, but many many more bright and intelligent people in this world would know and be firmly aware smile.gif
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I mean common now people (and pot smoking monkeys).... I do not believe that I am that gullible.... are you? What about you.... or you? I believe that if it were a reality that, not only I, but many many more bright and intelligent people in this world would know and be firmly aware smile.gif
As you can see, I put my specs on, so I should catch any fly-bys. But seriously, I do sky watch. I'm lucky to have a glorious open and unpolluted view of the night sky so when it's clear I spend time star-gazing. Over the past 20 years in particular I ain't seen nuffin but stars, shooting stars, satellites and aircraft up there. Oh, and the occasional bat and owl! I even cut a circle on one of my fields last year but it only attracted gliders from a nearby flying club!
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I dont want to have to come back to this thread, why didnt someone else take over

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us...tivity.cnn.html
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I saw a UFO in Hull a week or so ago. Bright orange glow at the front and travelling fast. It didn't look like any aircraft I've seen. Three of us saw it and noone had an idea what it might have been. I've not been abducted since then, nor have I been afraid to go out in the dark despite seeing The Fourth Kind again on TV. Ah well, back to the sci-fi novels.
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it would be poetic if hey hey really saw a UFO, and one of the ones that look nothing like Chinese lanterns or balloons. There are silent changing-direction cigar shape ones that glow like glow-in-the-dark materials as a closest analogy, there are all kinds.
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QUOTE(Tone @ Oct 20, 2010, 07:55 PM) *

it would be poetic if hey hey really saw a UFO, and one of the ones that look nothing like Chinese lanterns or balloons. There are silent changing-direction cigar shape ones that glow like glow-in-the-dark materials as a closest analogy, there are all kinds.
I (and several other people) was unable to identify it, it was flying, and it was an object. So very poetic, eh? mad.gif
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Larry King - UFOs Disable Nukes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz5cKoChQU

2010 Press Conference NPC UFOs & Nukes, Military Testimony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

2001 Press Conference - Disclosure Project Press Conference - Military and Pilot Testimony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

2007 Press Conference, Follow up to 2001, Governor Fife Symington Moderates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZOomiQmO28

Secret Access: UFOs On The Record (History Channel FULL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhCjjmGEw-Q

Out of the Blue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBRX2OwnfY8

I Know what i saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIeGeE0uDJg

Stephen Bassett - The History of ETs Visiting Earth Issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0xE_-Q2xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqXhEmdbAVg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_oeDquCzZw

Hessdalen Lights - Most Scientifically Studied UFOs, Spectrometry and more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKpECnEgjzA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIxxJg1tu20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MmB9kOYHEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f49yag7Kwy0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CspCz8DVr7Q

The Case for NASA UFOs (STS Missions)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFq-NcHFi4Q

Government Documents ETs are here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzwTlf73xsk

Showing with tracer dots and circles that NASA STS UFOs change directions and decloak

http://www.youtube.com/user/CCZimmerman92#g/u

Rockefeller Initiative Documents

http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Rocke...e_Documents.htm

Washington UFOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbO3W_E1HQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT5CSTYnUFY

Best of UFO Mainstream News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUN0tFOxQ5E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDOOZ_IPb6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZhwp3YvLM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwE0vDuTm48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Sz-MgoFos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFbwkO2nDU8

Latest UFO Sightings & News Resources

http://paradigmresearchgroup.org/newsitems2011.html
http://www.youtube.com/social/blog/dtTlhdmNZiI
http://www.ufostalker.com/
http://news.google.com/news/search?hl=en&q=UFO
http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/Index.php/
http://www.nuforc.org/
http://disclosureproject.org/
http://paradigmresearchgroup.org/main.html

UFOs in Night Vision Infrared

http://www.youtube.com/user/theyreoutthere#g/u
http://www.youtube.com/user/Lou20764/videos

Thrive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s
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post Jun 29, 2012, 06:15 AM
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Senior CIA: Roswell was Real

http://news.exopoliticsinstitute.org/index...-happened76459/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmYVx2Ep3QU
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Btw Mr. Tone,

Have you noted that the Greenland map mentioned by Mr. Enki at Google Map now changed in appearance the squares he mentioned disappeared from it?:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=70.65....506836&t=h&z=5

As you can see absolutly clear ice.
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Here are the original shapshots of the Greenland with those squares, let it remain here for the inhabitants of the Planet of Monkeys:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-ckqxqani1ZSDY5OXV5RUFEN2M

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-ckqxqani1ZcGY1VFd2VjViaE0



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And please note, that when representatives of the Planet of Monkeys for such a long period of time been ignoring self-evident facts that obviously indicates how dip they are zombifide.

In any case this thread is terrifically amazing. smile.gif
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nh-TAJ3KU
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QUOTE(Tone @ Feb 20, 2007, 12:51 AM) *

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpK5a5l8Y58

if this short video interests you , then scroll up and hit case for nasa UFOs



http://www.wanttoknow.info/12/07_cia_official_ets_real
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heres the source on USA Today

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/on.../1#.UWW1REk81D9
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