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| Hey Hey |
 Dec 05, 2006, 11:04 PM
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Technically, every man woman and child is agnostic, there are no theists or atheists. We can believe we know, but in the true sense of what it is to know something, the existence of God is not like that. I can say there is a cup on the table and I can say I there is a God but the existence of the cup is 'knowable' (with caveats for my ability to interpret my senses). I think this was one of Mark Vernon's points.
Justin, High Wycombe http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6199716.stm |
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| Rick |
Dec 06, 2006, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 05, 2006, 11:04 PM)  Technically, every man woman and child is agnostic, there are no theists or atheists. ... On the other hand, perhaps an agnostic is just an atheist without the courage of his convictions. |
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| Lindsay |
 Dec 06, 2006, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Dec 06, 2006, 03:07 PM) QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Dec 05, 2006, 11:04 PM) Technically, every man woman and child is agnostic, there are no theists or atheists. ...  , Rick. On the other other hand, perhaps the agnostic is an epitheist/unitheist who hasn't yet discovered that it is okay to define god as ALL that IS, without having to understand it all. I can accept the fact that I live on this planet earth without having to know all about it. Why would anyone doubt the ALL that IS--GØD--just because we lack full knowledge and understanding? Sure, it is okay to question the nature and function of GØD--ALL that IS. With the help of science, I do it all the time. But can anyone really say that there is no such a thing as ALL that IS? Is ALL that IS, including atheists , just an illusion?BTW, sincere atheists, If I say that I believe in GØD, do I not have the right to define what I mean by GØD? Or do I have to adhere to your definition? What is your definition? Now, if I define GØD and existence--that is, physical, mental and spiritual existence--as one and the same, I am all ears to hear how atheists deal with this. |
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| Hey Hey |
Dec 06, 2006, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 07, 2006, 03:15 AM) I can accept the fact that I live on this planet earth Bit of a non-statement. I think that everyone accepts that.QUOTE(Lindsay @ Dec 07, 2006, 03:15 AM) without having to know all about it. We have to deal with this in our own way. There are those who don't want to know about it and there are those who want to know everything, and all in-between. Personally and honestly, I want to know everything and I have difficulty in accepting my meagre abilities that limit my understanding.Of course time will unfold more knowledge and the concerted efforts of humans will help to elucidate that which individuals cannot. In the meantime I, like many, attempt to understand the evidence for processes and (largely in the past in my case) try to conceive of new explanations for phenomena. I have to admit that I find it hard to deal with the time-wasting shinanigins of most religions, although I do enjoy the games and mind experiments of philosophical theologians. But, as with most games, I turn off the machine when I've had enough. Then the real fun begins - living the futility of a real individual human life! |
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Hey Hey Every man, woman and child is agnostic Dec 05, 2006, 11:04 PM
Lindsay Knowledge--of the kind that is always open to ques... Dec 06, 2006, 08:12 AM Trip like I do I would think it is somewhere in the middle actual... Dec 06, 2006, 08:19 AM Lindsay I wrote the following comment to the article from ... Dec 06, 2006, 10:36 AM
Rick Now, if I define GØD and existence--that is, phys... Dec 07, 2006, 01:50 PM Culture
Technically, every man woman and child is agnosti... Dec 06, 2006, 09:35 PM lucid_dream the cup on a table is an object, a mental represen... Dec 06, 2006, 09:40 PM Hey Hey
Even those who proclaim to believe in "God... Dec 07, 2006, 01:49 AM Culture
Even those who proclaim to believe in "God... Dec 07, 2006, 02:16 AM Hey Hey
[quote name='lucid_dream' post='73042... Dec 07, 2006, 02:35 AM Joesus Well said. Dec 06, 2006, 10:31 PM rhymer A bit off topic, I wonder if anyone has declared w... Dec 07, 2006, 01:40 PM Lindsay Rick, you quote me, "GØD = existence." ... Dec 07, 2006, 04:30 PM Rick Rick, at this point, I understand that you are NOT... Dec 07, 2006, 05:06 PM Hey Hey I will add: GØD is TOTAL (physical, mental and s... Dec 10, 2006, 04:12 PM Flex Why exactly would humans be the most important nat... Dec 07, 2006, 05:12 PM Rick Given that a world with humans requires the Sun, I... Dec 07, 2006, 05:17 PM Flex
Given that a world with humans requires the Sun, ... Dec 07, 2006, 05:23 PM Hey Hey
Finally, there is a practical reason for preferri... Dec 08, 2006, 03:08 AM Jellybean2 An agnostic was once defined: An Athiest searching... May 23, 2007, 07:51 AM |
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