Publishing... Options

[angelroze]

Ok so I have always wanted to publish something. A book, song, poetry. It never mattered to me. I dont need to be famous and have a lot of money, i've just always wanted to to that. And be able to say I have. Kind of like wanting to be a singer and actor...

I know most of these "dreams" are pretty damn immposible. I get that. But I want to try.

SO i'm asking all you guys out there who LOVE to give advice (that most of the time I dont like hearing coz it's close to the truth and hell maybe I just don't feel like facing it right now) to HOOK ME UP!!

Anything ya'll know about getting something published PLEASE HELP ME OUT!!

No matter how insignificant (sp lol) it seems to you, it could help me.

Steven Curtis Lance?? I know you had a book of your poetry published, more than once right?? Can you help me with anything here??

THANKX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Flex]

There are tons of ways to go about getting your work published. Just start networking. I'm sorry I can't hook you up with any contact info, the only publishing companies I work with are Warner Chappel, and Universal but only on their music side... If you want to get a song out there I am sure I could help you out, but first you will have to register with ASCAP or BMI.

I am in the process of writing my first novel right now. I am still months away from even a rough draft, but any contacts I make in my adventures, I will be more than happy to lend a good word to in your honor.

If you decide to write a book, or produce a song, let me know when you have a semi finished product. I can help with recordings, or I am sure my mom would be more than happy to help you out with editing a novel. She is an english teacher and is more than willing to help anyone out. I remember you saying you were interested in journalism? She has an excelent backround in journalism, and could be a very valuable resource to you if you are serious about pursuing a career.

[angelroze]

Yeah I am actually. I still think journalism is awesome. I mean getting paid to write?? Lol the only better offer I can think of is the whole getting a book published. I'm just not sure how much money you can make doing that. And i'm not one of those people who are like money hungry and need alot. I just want enuf to be comfortable for my baby. I dont want to have to look into her tear-filled eyes and say "baby i'm sorry, I just don't have enuf money for that." I can't do that.

And I also don't know how many places down here there is to GET a journalism job. Far as I know there's only like, two newspaper station things down here. But it is something I wanna do.

I'm actually starting the whole college tihng soon too. Like in... Jan. maybe. Just whenever the new quarter starts. And i'm gonna be taking english, and maybe soicologly. Depends on exaclty what it's about and how HARD it's gonna be lol. Coz i'm not comp. smart.

Now about the book. Lol i've wrote for ever. Serioulsy just all the time. I started writing this one book thing, its actually in the short storys on here, and one like two page story.. (it's good I think. Maybe part of a book with like short story's and poems.. who knows right?) And ALOT of poetry. The one im TRYING to do right now is about my life.. CRAZY I KNOW! lol. But I tihnk it's kinda good.. And so far all I have is like one page lol. But hey, I wrote that in like half an hour so I can do it. It's about my life, how hard can it be?

I would love if you or your mom would look at it when I get more done.. I used to always have my english teachers reading my things to make sure they were good. I'm gonna put the first paragraph or so on here.. Tell me if you tihnk it has potential.. If it don't then why waste my time right?


-----------I was one of those people who were born with a "kick-me: sign placed permanently on my back. Irreversable, and unmovable. My life practically wrote Murphy's Law; anything bad that would happen... did. Never-the-less I knew that tons of people had it worse than me. I mean look at the ones who are starving, have no home, or the girls (and guys) who are forced to turn tricks in some dirty alley for a nasty john just to make a few bucks to eat off of. I knew things could be worse, alot worse. But I still had that unlucky streak following me through life, and anything bad that could happen... did.--------------------



If ya read it, THANKX!

[Culture]

-----------I was one of those people who were born with a "kick-me: sign placed permanently on my back. Irreversable, and unmovable. My life practically wrote Murphy's Law; anything bad that would happen... did. Never-the-less I knew that tons of people had it worse than me. I mean look at the ones who are starving, have no home, or the girls (and guys) who are forced to turn tricks in some dirty alley for a nasty john just to make a few bucks to eat off of. I knew things could be worse, alot worse. But I still had that unlucky streak following me through life, and anything bad that could happen... did.--------------------



If ya read it, THANKX!

First off you will need quite a bit of work on grammar and spelling.
For example the spelling of irreversible. Editors will not touch your work unless you get the basics right. I am not saying this to discourage you. Keep at it !

[angelroze]

Lol ya I have this huge problem with spelling stuff correctly and grammer. I actually used to be like the best speller in grade school and i'm still ok at it, just not when i'm in a hurry. As for grammer? Hell i've ALWAYS been bad at that. And that's ok tho. Coz I always felt that its the writing that counted, and to hell with the grammer and stuff. It's wat you SAY that counts. Probly why my english grades weren't the BEST thing...

Side's isnt that wat editors do? Fix all that crap? And in the books i've read they always have there own way of wrting stuff, like, idk. Lots of it don't look right to me.. Idk lol.

But besides that, what did ya think? lol.. I am working on the other, spelling and stuff anyhow... Even tho it's hard but..

[maximus242]

Being a good writer is difficult because you have a great deal of competition. As far as advice goes, I would point you in the direction of Steven Curtis Lance who has successfully published poetry books, send him a PM or something and say your looking for on advice about getting published.

Grammer and proper spelling is very important, the publisher wont read your manuscript for more than 5 seconds if your punctuation is at the level it is online. Another idea that comes to mind is picking up Chapters book entitled How to get published, its written by someone who works for a publishing company with close ties to chapters. In the words of the Prince of Print, it doesnt matter how good your copy is if they dont read it.

The whole purpose of proper sentancing and grammer is to get your ideas ACROSS to the reader, even if you have brilliant ideas, they may not be able to understand them without proper structure. Okay, now that I have explained to you why proper english in writing is so essential, I can tell you how to become a good writer. This is a pain in the ass, but it is also the single most easy way to become a better writer, okay here we go:

First decide which subject/field of writing you are going to be doing. In other words is it Fiction or Non-Fiction, Technical or Relaxed, Thriller or Horror, Fantasy and if so, what type of Fantasy. Okay once you have the type of writting you are going to be doing down exactly, then we can move on to the next step.

Get the top ten all time selling books for that field of writing... and...

Heres the part where its a pain in the ass, you are going to write out or type all ten books by hand. Every sentence, every word until you have typed all ten books, why? This has to do with neuroscience, by writing these out, your subconcious aquires a diffrent writing style and it becomes a neurological imprint, a GOOD writting style is therefore aquired. It would be like trying to paint Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings, if you can replicate them perfectly, then you will become a much better artist.

This way of learning dates back hundreds of years, find the person who is best in your profession and replicate how they do something as close as possible.

Okay now heres the thing you do after youve written the top ten books out by hand.

You are going to write ten books of your own, one after the other. Why? because the average writer doesnt hit their peak in writing until about ten books, so by the time you hit your tenth book it will be one that the publisher begs you for.

Dont believe me? the all time best selling writer in history used both these techniques.

P.S. Damn im pretty useful arent I?

[Flex]

Lol ya I have this huge problem with spelling stuff correctly and grammar. I actually used to be like the best speller in grade school and I'm still ok at it, just not when i'm in a hurry. As for grammar? Hell I've ALWAYS been bad at that. And that's ok tho. Because I always felt that its the writing that counted, and to hell with the grammer and stuff. It's wat you SAY that counts. Probably why my english grades weren't the BEST thing...

Side's isnt that wat editors do? Fix all that crap? And in the books I've read they always have there own way of writing stuff, like, idk. Lots of it don't look right to me.. Idk lol.

But besides that, what did ya think? lol.. I am working on the other, spelling and stuff anyhow... Even tho it's hard but..

English grades don't mean anything. My brother was failing high school english, and now he makes a living writing songs, and is even scheduled to teach a class at Columbia University--go figure.

I'm not a big fan of Maximus's advice on this one...If you want to be a great writer, don't just learn to subconsciously mock a great writer. I would suggest reading 10 books that you find are great books (for you I might recommend starting with a book like say The World According to Garp). Reading is going to be your most valuable resource. As far as grammar and spelling are concerned, just use a word processor that underlines your errors, and try to correct them without using the spelling and grammar checker. Whenever you spell a word wrong the red line will really piss you off (I know it pisses me off) and you will start to improve your writing very quickly. If you want to be a great writer, practice the craft--just start writing and reading as much as you can. Reading a lot will help improve your syntax, spelling, and story telling abilities as well. Why re-write 10 books when you could just read 100 books in the same amount of time?

[maximus242]

It's not about reading the books Flex, its about neuroscience. Everyone who is at the top of their field does certain things the same way, these things can be aquired, but not through just reading about it.

Further more, Leonardo Da Vinci used the exact same system as I just describe and became one of histories most famous Artists. Gary Halbert, who is the worlds greatest copywriter absolutly demands that any decent advertiser should copy the worlds best ads in their own handwriting. Verrocchio who taught BOTH Michaelangelo and Leonardo had both of them rigourously follow this regimine.

This Atilier style of learning has been passed on for hundreds of years and im a bit insulted that you think so little of it.

This isnt my advice Flex, it is very,very old and highly successful advice from over 500 years ago.

[Flex]

It's not about reading the books Flex, its about neuroscience. Everyone who is at the top of their field does certain things the same way, these things can be aquired, but not through just reading about it.

Further more, Leonardo Da Vinci used the exact same system as I just describe and became one of histories most famous Artists. Gary Halbert, who is the worlds greatest copywriter absolutly demands that any decent advertiser should copy the worlds best ads in their own handwriting. Verrocchio who taught BOTH Michaelangelo and Leonardo had both of them rigourously follow this regimine.

This Atilier style of learning has been passed on for hundreds of years and im a bit insulted that you think so little of it.

This isnt my advice Flex, it is very,very old and highly successful advice from over 500 years ago.

I'm not trying to offend, but I still don't reguard this as good advice just because it is old...I use this process for wrestling and waterpolo all the time, but as far as creativity is concerned I would never venture into this realm. If I wanted to pain a Leonardo, I would use this method, but if I wanted to pain a Flex, or a Roze, or a Maximus, I woud not recreate anothers work. Sure I might borrow their techniques, but only Flex can create a Flex through trial and error--no matter how many times you copy it you will never be a Flex. If I were to repaint the Monalisa to a tee no one would consider it a work of art--why? Because it is not origional.

[maximus242]

Thats only stage one Flex, Leonardo copied all of Verrochios works but he did not paint like him when he did an original. Leonardo surpassed his master, in fact when Verrocchio saw Leonardo's painting he said "Isn't that something?" and he never painted again in his life. He was so moved, so changed by Leonardos work that he couldnt paint again. Copying the works of a master is just the first step, then you do your own personal style afterwards. Flex, the worlds best artists all use this method and this one only, because it works.

Leonardo first became as good as his master, then he made his own improvements based on what he thought. The same thing goes for writing, first become as good as the best, then add improvements and surpass them.

So no your not just copying them, your LEARNING, which is the whole point, you learn and then you improve and you learn much more quickly by studying others than you do yourself. I know because I have tried both methods and the one I described produced far more dramatic results in my copies and my originals. The real purpose Flex, is not so you can copy others works, but gain insight into them.

You talked about the Mona Lisa, do you know how hard it is to replicate just his brush strokes? He used such a thin amount of paint that you cant even see the strokes, he layered on hundereds of layers of paint that changed in color a miniscule amount. But by just looking at a painting you would never realise the incredible amount of work and skill that went into it. Same thing with reading, when you read you simply look at it, when you write you begin to comprehend all the little things you miss when you read it.

The true purpose of this is about gaining insight, not getting good at copying. You dont learn how to copy writing style but learn good writing techniques, in art you dont learn how to paint like leonardo, you learn his techniques and then you can apply it to your own ideas.

If you look up Sfumato, it gives a brief description of how it has subtle changes in color, but if you try to paint a leonardo accuratly, you learn just how rediculously subtle you have to be, how to slowly layer on one after the other until you get a hauntingly realistic image. Besides what is original anyways? All art, writing and poetry is influenced by reality, so arent we simply taking reality and putting it into a diffrent perspective?

[Flex]

I understand, but it seems like it would be much more effective to take say a paragraph or a chapter from each author, and analyze their syntax. At least then you see many different writing styles. What makes a great book anyways? The actual writing itself is only a means of conveying a message. No one can teach you what message to sell. Getting the fundamentals of writing down should take no more than say a week for someone who has had a public school education. I am a firm believer that if you have a concept strong enough, the book will write itself. I have two novels that I plan to put out as well as an autobiography, and the only writing lessons I recieved came through living.

[maximus242]

So you think that you cant teach what message to sell hu? Gary Halbert and Michel Fortin are some of the finest copywriters in the world and both teach how to sell in print. In fact Gary Halbert has taken a redneck whos never written a piece of copy in his life and in one month turned him into a copywriting superstar.

Flex, you have two books right? Well if you manage to become the newest all time best selling novelest, I will retract my claim, but until then im following what the best writers in the world are saying.

Your theory is borderline on the idea that if you build a better product it will simply sell better than the lesser product. Which is absolutly untrue because millions of people buy crappy products every day from marketers.

[Flex]

So you think that you cant teach what message to sell hu? Gary Halbert and Michel Fortin are some of the finest copywriters in the world and both teach how to sell in print. In fact Gary Halbert has taken a redneck whos never written a piece of copy in his life and in one month turned him into a copywriting superstar.

Flex, you have two books right? Well if you manage to become the newest all time best selling novelest, I will retract my claim, but until then im following what the best writers in the world are saying.

Your theory is borderline on the idea that if you build a better product it will simply sell better than the lesser product. Which is absolutly untrue because millions of people buy crappy products every day from marketers.

Marketing is one of my favorite pass times. I actually got the passion for marketing from my brother I would say he was pretty succesful at mass manipulation--hell he managed to manipulate every CEO from Sony to Island Def Jam and everyone inbetween. Now is not the time for me to release a book, the climate is not right, but I am guessing that this summer will be prime time.

I beleive that if you do build a better product inteligent people will buy it, so long as the higher price is compensated with proportionaly higher quality. A marketer will never make a shitty product hugely sucessful. The ipod for example is a great product, sure there are better mp3 players out there, but ipod was able to reach the tipping point sooner, so they deserve the business (even though it F***ed the music industry in the ass). Now it is up to the music industry to change their business model, and hell maybe even san disk will up their game and put out a new product that kicks the ipod square in the balls (a new file format maybe? Mp3s sound like shit there is room for improvement).

[maximus242]

I studied the most powerful forms of manipulation in the world, lucky for the rest of the world im a moral person. I studied to learn how to protect myself from manipulation and learnt many diffrent forms including;

Subliminal Suggestion
Autogenics
Trans Cranial Electric Stimulation
Brainwaves
Implants
Sales Techniques
Silent Sound
LIDA
Read Every CIA MKULTRA file possible
Police Interrogation
Chinese Totaltarianism
Cults
Hypnosis
Con Games
Behavioural Therapy
Abnormal Psychology
Tranqulizers
Barbituates
Subconciously Induced Hypnotism
The Art of Lying
Maslovs Pyramid
Neurobiology
Voice To Skull
Ninja Mind Manipulation
Propaganda
Sociology
Political Science
Human Psychology
Neuro Linguistic Programming

[Flex]

I studied the most powerful forms of manipulation in the world, lucky for the rest of the world im a moral person. I studied to learn how to protect myself from manipulation and learnt many diffrent forms including;

Subliminal Suggestion
Autogenics
Trans Cranial Electric Stimulation
Brainwaves
Implants
Silent Sound
LIDA
Read Every CIA MKULTRA file possible
Police Interrogation
Chinese Totaltarianism
Cults
Hypnosis
Con Games
Behavioural Therapy
Abnormal Psychology
Tranqulizers
Barbituates
Subconciously Induced Hypnotism
The Art of Lying
Maslovs Pyramid
Neurobiology
Voice To Skull
Ninja Mind Manipulation
Propaganda
Sociology
Political Science
Human Psychology
Neuro Linguistic Programming

All of that is nice, but what happens when you run into an arrogant individual such as myself, or maybe a die hard christian? Those are tough nuts to crack~

[maximus242]

I used to play mind games all the time with a friend of mine, who knows even more than I do. I manipulated him and he manipulated me (we did it for fun) and we both know rediculous amounts about manipulation.

I remember once I got a man to stand up, turn around in a circle and then sit back down without saying a word. I know a diffrent kind of manipulation than you are familiar with Flex, its not sales talk or trying to 'persuade' you into doing something.

Its much deeper altogether, one man said a single word which turned a perfectly calm man into a raging maniac. We get inside your head, make you see things that arent really there, make you remember things that never happened and make you think your in control when your really doing exactly what we want.

Of course I dont use any of these skills against people, I only know it so I can protect myself from the ones who do. Flex, resistance or being a tough nut to crack makes you so much more easy to manipulate. You dont tell Die Hard Christians that they are wrong, you make them believe that they are absolutly right and you agree with them. Then you make them hear voices from god telling them what you want them to do.

Naturally I dont manipulate people like that though, when I did sales I never hypnotised someone or used sub-conscious manipulation to get them to buy. The only time I use such manipulation is when I feel my life is in danger, then I save my own ass lol. Unfortuanatly Madison Avenue marketers dont have morals

[Flex]

Lol I really hope to meet you some day~ I would love to test your manipulation out

[maximus242]

Nah, this isnt a macho male thing Flex, when you play these games your stress level will be higher than its ever been in your life.

[angelroze]

Wow, so like wat kind of a person studies up on manipultaion, and how to avoid it? and subliminal messages? Are you one of the people who are like all fanatical and think big brother gov. is gonna turn us all into mind-numbed zombies?

Come on now, lol whats the point is learning all that? sure it's kinda fascincating, but if ur as "good" as you say you spent a little more than a normal amount of time on that. ? Just wondering.

And anyhow, wouldn't copying the books, just make you write like them? isn't writing suposed to be a uniquie flash as to who you are, and that unquieness, isnt that what sells?

I can understand studying on how to write, like the structure and all that, but copying, I just dont get.

Anyhow, I understand the grammer and spelling has gotta be prefected, thats why comp. are here. Ya I use those, and I have my Aunt (tech. more of a cuz) look over them coz she is an english teacher, and a couple more teachers just to catch mistakes.

Though now I gotta do it on my own. And I will get better at it. (Forget about the stuff I typed in here, i'm not trying to perfect here, just readable) I will bcuz I will force myself to. That's what I do.

[maximus242]

Ive read the MKULTRA files and after that no I dont trust the government. Originally I wanted to study it to do some super selling but my morals were against it, so I just turned to find out how to take prevetative measures. It was a really neat thing to study and full of mystery however, I began to like it less and less the more I learnt. Some of my family members are excellent salespeople and manipulators, in fact my aunt used to be an Oil Executive so thus I learnt counter-manipulation to fight their tactics.

I simply help people, ive gotten a couple friends to stop smoking with hypnosis, done some life changing for some people, stopped a gambling addiction and generally help the people around me. Manipulation can be used for good or for bad - just like a kitchen knife can cut bread or cut a person.

I took a guy who was flat broke, no car, homeless, $30,000 in debt, jobless and I changed his life around - now hes making $10,000 a month... and it didnt cost him a dime to do it!

Roze, I know a lot of things about a huge amount of subjects, manipulation is just one tiny subject of the hundreds of fields if dwelved into. It isnt even possible to list all the subjects I know about, it would take to long and some I dont even remember until im asked a question regarding it. So when you see that I studied endlessly into one subject - for me its just like a paragraph in my life because I know so much across so many fields of intrest.

Sigh* sometimes you need to trust people Roze, if you cant trust me then you wouldnt have used my advice anyways. If you guys dont get the copying books strategy by now then im not going to waste my time further explaining it. Do what you want.

[Hey Hey]

English grades don't mean anything. My brother was failing high school english, and now he makes a living writing songs, and is even scheduled to teach a class at Columbia University--go figure.

The University of Hull has appointed Rowan Oliver (aged 33), drummer with rock group Goldfrapp, to the post of Music Enterprise Officer.

Based at the Scarborough Campus in the School of Arts and New Media, Rowan Oliver’s role will be to develop University links with the community and encourage wider use of the new recording and rehearsal studios on the Filey Road site.

Goldfrapp have enjoyed several years of international success since their formation in 1999 on the underground music scene, achieving mainstream and widespread acclaim with the hit record Ooh La La. They have recently completed a world tour and released the remix album We Are Glitter.

Rowan Oliver and his family are now based in the Scarborough area and he hopes to have a positive impact on the local music scene.

Rowan Oliver, says:

“I was amazed at the quality of the facilities at the Scarborough Campus and the talent that exists in the town. Having had a great deal of hands on experience, I feel confident that we, as a community, can continue to develop this lively creative music scene.

“As part of my outreach work, I will be putting together a mobile recording unit to take into the community to give local people, young and old, a flavour of composing, playing and recording their own music.�

Craig Gaskell, Dean, Scarborough Campus, said:

“We are incredibly fortunate to have been able to secure Rowan’s talents to help both the work of our existing students, to help up and coming musicians and bands in the Scarborough (Yorkshire) area as well.�

Please get in touch with Rowan if you are interested in getting involved in workshop events, taster sessions, recording and producing your music. Out reach programmes begin in January and enquiries should be emailed to r.a.oliver@hull.ac.uk

[Flex]

Nah, this isnt a macho male thing Flex, when you play these games your stress level will be higher than its ever been in your life.

lol no it totaly isn't a macho male thing, I am really interested. I am the ultimate skeptic. If I could be systematically manipulated I would get a great deal of joy out of the experience (I am weird, it would completely turn my entire philosophy upside down, and I like that). As for stress levels, I have never been stressed out in my life, so it might be a nice change~

[angelroze]

Lol Ur right. I don't trust people. But it's not my fault. I'm just tired of all the lies and being f***ed over. Hell you don't trust the gov. Can you really get any less trustworthy than that? I mean that's a lot of people to not trust;)

There's alot baout the gov. I dont trust either actually lol.

And other things I don't get is why are cops considered better than a normal person? I mean it's stupid really when you tihnk about it, It's like syaing that they mean more than the average person, that they're better than you. And im my expirence they're not.

Trust me, i've met alot of cops, not in the best of circumstances I will admit, but they are NOT better people than me or some of the people I know... But hell, maybe that's just the cops abound here where I live.

They're all to stupid to do anything and we have so many things' ruled out as suicide thats it's unbeliveable. Ive read about it before and how anyone could classify those as suicides is beyond me. But hell we all know they're better people than us right?

Anyhow, I do trust you to an extent, And what your syaing does make sense. I mean I tihnk that stuff is interesting to and I have aLWAYS wanted to be hypnotized lol. Too bad you don't live close to me I geuss.