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Ok then Joesus, If "God" created everything biological, and there are so many interactions (read hallucinogens) that can break through an ego and show that every action has limitless potential, do you not feel that those substances, which may have been taken into the food chain, are important to our history? In other words, is there no value in hallucinogens?


First of all if the reactionary discipline is to identify with ones character and projected beliefs in reality according to the interpretations of the ego any experience is going to be returned to ego's box for subject value and interpretation.
While having an experience, any experience, if the ego and all its principles are intact and the mind has not accustomed itself to the reality of egolessness, comprehension is going to be limited because the mind will not be familiar with any relevant function of thought in the unfamiliar. Until the experience is over, the mind will not make any references to what has happened or what is happening unless it is dragging its projections of belief with it which have been created prior to the experience.
The natural tendency to return all experiences to home base is relevant to any level of consciousness.
Home base is either based on experience of identities created from the past or in the case of the enlightened, the unmanifest, which is beyond all experience and identification.

Value is relative to the experience of awareness, and if the awareness is the identification with external manifestations, then they are going to change according to the experiences. IF the awareness is the unmanifest there is no change, and value would automatically be given to the expansion of awareness or the depth of the unmanifest in experience rather than the experience and any of its qualities.


All that text and little content, again. Answer YES OR NO please, without your incessant esoteric walls of text.

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The fact mystical experiences bubble up from these experiences, show me that "God" is abound in many places. Which brings us back to the topic. Is God in the magic mushroom?


God is in everything, which is why it is unnecessary to look to one experience over another, or to external manipulation to create a certain type of experience to call God.
God is more mundane than special, but the ego would like God to be mystical and fantastic in experience.


Your actually saying that its the Ego that makes spontaneous spiritual rebirth a special experience. I always thought the experience feels special because it is. This is how we can identify the experience, isn't it? Can you honestly say you can appreciate anything without using the Ego to weigh up an experience against all the others in memory? I doubt it. Again I feel you've deflected the question rather than answer honestly.
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Hey Hey   God Is In The Magic Mushrooms   Aug 07, 2006, 09:48 AM
BatineAcid   http://sfgate.com/columnists/morford/ Interesti...   Aug 07, 2006, 01:01 PM
rhymer   My conclusion, having read the article is that any...   Aug 07, 2006, 02:19 PM
BatineAcid   My conclusion, having read the article is that an...   Aug 07, 2006, 03:03 PM
code buttons   I disagree completely... I agree to disagree com...   Aug 07, 2006, 05:02 PM
Hey Hey   On top of that, psilocybin only requires one dose...   Aug 07, 2006, 06:40 PM
Hey Hey   agree with all said, rhymer. strange time - moody...   Aug 07, 2006, 02:42 PM
egodeath   The Entheogen Theory of Religion and Ego Death Th...   Aug 08, 2006, 05:34 PM
Hey Hey   The entheogen theory of religion holds that the m...   Aug 08, 2006, 08:53 PM
Rick   Schizophrenia is distinct from psychedelic (...   Aug 09, 2006, 10:07 AM
Hey Hey   Schizophrenia is distinct from psychedelic (...   Aug 09, 2006, 01:08 PM
Rick   Leave it to the medical establishment to associate...   Aug 09, 2006, 02:26 PM
trojan_libido   Hi, I believe that God really is in Magic Mushroom...   Sep 19, 2006, 07:48 AM
Hey Hey   Hi, I believe that God really is in Magic Mushroom...   Jan 02, 2007, 10:01 PM
cerebral   dude, you live in a phallus-centric universe. But...   Sep 19, 2006, 07:49 AM
trojan_libido   Actually dude, we all live in a phallus centric un...   Sep 19, 2006, 08:02 AM
Culture   Actually dude, we all live in a phallus centric u...   Sep 19, 2006, 12:15 PM
trojan_libido   Yeah I recognise the differences, but the effect i...   Sep 19, 2006, 12:45 PM
solartrinity   I have to say that taking magic mushrooms has been...   Jan 02, 2007, 05:49 AM
trojan_libido   Trips open doors, sometimes to places you never wi...   Jan 02, 2007, 08:22 AM
rhymer   solartrinity said "I have to say that takin...   Jan 02, 2007, 04:23 PM
solartrinity   solartrinity said "I have to say that taki...   Jan 02, 2007, 05:16 PM
Hey Hey   solartrinity said "I have to say that taki...   Jan 02, 2007, 09:53 PM
trojan_libido   Im aware there is more than one type of hallucinog...   Jan 03, 2007, 05:21 AM
simon   What is this God thing that you write of ?   Jan 10, 2007, 01:11 PM
trojan_libido   It is the thing that just wrote your post. It is ...   Mar 05, 2007, 02:08 AM
webby   Salvia Divinorum   Aug 11, 2007, 05:09 AM
trojan_libido   What about it? :)   Aug 14, 2007, 11:40 AM
atha   Have you read about The Blue Pearl experience of S...   Aug 20, 2007, 06:49 AM
rhymer   I have tried no hallucinogens (unless someone popp...   Aug 20, 2007, 01:07 PM
trojan_libido   Hallucinogens can only give you a first hand look ...   Aug 23, 2007, 01:17 AM
Rick   And also in the Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds?   Aug 23, 2007, 03:11 PM
trojan_libido   Yes, and the Morning Glory flower which has, inter...   Aug 23, 2007, 11:31 PM
Enki   Yes, and the Morning Glory flower which has, inte...   Aug 24, 2007, 02:39 AM
Enki   Science is a great thing indeed: Dr. Rick Strassm...   Aug 24, 2007, 02:45 AM
trojan_libido   After having a minimal experience with DMT, ie tin...   Aug 24, 2007, 03:19 AM
Enki   Interesting. But please be careful during such exp...   Aug 24, 2007, 06:13 AM
trojan_libido   I always take care during any "experiments...   Aug 24, 2007, 06:23 AM
code buttons   I always take care during any "experiments...   Aug 30, 2007, 02:37 AM
Enki   No doubt about Dr. Faustus. ;) Nullius in verba.   Aug 24, 2007, 06:30 AM
trojan_libido   Which one Enki, the original legend of Faust and h...   Aug 24, 2007, 07:19 AM
Enki   I just was meaning a philosopher-scientist who is ...   Aug 25, 2007, 05:47 AM
trojan_libido   Excellent Enki, I really hope that society breaks ...   Aug 25, 2007, 11:52 AM
Enki   >Even the shape of the molecules are in most ca...   Aug 28, 2007, 12:56 AM
trojan_libido   Has anyone ever experienced a feeling of oneness o...   Aug 28, 2007, 11:23 AM
Orbz   Has anyone ever experienced a feeling of oneness ...   Aug 28, 2007, 07:26 PM
Enki   Has anyone ever experienced a feeling of oneness ...   Aug 28, 2007, 08:53 PM
forgottenpresence   Has anyone ever experienced a feeling of oneness ...   Sep 03, 2007, 08:29 PM
trojan_libido   Did you feel changed or refreshed from the experie...   Aug 30, 2007, 12:00 AM
Orbz   I didn't really feel changed, maybe a bit refr...   Aug 30, 2007, 12:22 AM
trojan_libido   Naturally occuring altered states are almost alway...   Aug 30, 2007, 01:03 AM
trojan_libido   To be honest, I rarely have a "helova good ti...   Aug 30, 2007, 03:38 AM
Joesus   Altered states induced by drugs is not a transce...   Sep 03, 2007, 11:43 PM
forgottenpresence   Altered states induced by drugs is not a transcen...   Sep 04, 2007, 02:28 PM
Joesus   No you believe a mushroom can do what you yourse...   Sep 05, 2007, 10:27 AM
Rick   ... Enlightenment does not deteriorate with time a...   Sep 05, 2007, 11:23 AM
Joesus   Meditation is a tool, not the source of ones bein...   Sep 05, 2007, 07:38 PM
forgottenpresence   No you believe a mushroom can do what you yoursel...   Sep 06, 2007, 07:49 PM
trojan_libido   This is purely your opinion Joesus, the fact of t...   Sep 04, 2007, 12:14 AM
Joesus   If it's an Hallucination then is it natural?...   Sep 04, 2007, 07:11 AM
forgottenpresence   If it's an Hallucination then is it natural?...   Sep 04, 2007, 10:01 PM
forgottenpresence   light information is something we can tune into wi...   Sep 04, 2007, 11:10 PM
simon   Has anyone else noticed that there does seem to be...   Sep 05, 2007, 06:17 AM
trojan_libido   Yes Simon, some of us have. Others who have only ...   Sep 05, 2007, 06:46 AM
simon   I'm not sure we need to be rid of ego's, m...   Sep 05, 2007, 10:07 AM
trojan_libido   A magic mushroom is definately not a placebo, how ...   Sep 05, 2007, 12:30 PM
trojan_libido   I think some of your analogies are just plain wro...   Sep 06, 2007, 06:12 AM
Joesus   Or you could say oops I guess I wasn't looki...   Sep 06, 2007, 08:06 AM
Rick   I don't know, but if I had to guess, I would s...   Sep 06, 2007, 10:14 AM
Joesus   Which might lead to the question or opinion of whe...   Sep 06, 2007, 10:47 AM
Rick   Not to me. As you indicate, you have no need for m...   Sep 06, 2007, 12:06 PM
Joesus   Well I wasn't really thinking about you when I...   Sep 06, 2007, 12:10 PM
Rick   Fair enough.   Sep 06, 2007, 12:56 PM
Joesus   In your case not really. It's not the expe...   Sep 06, 2007, 09:15 PM
forgottenpresence   I don't believe, I experience. Big difference...   Sep 08, 2007, 11:58 AM
trojan_libido   Belief and actual experience are two very differen...   Sep 06, 2007, 11:16 PM
Joesus   This statement eludes to the belief that he/she c...   Sep 07, 2007, 07:23 AM
Rick   In one of Castaneda's books, Don Juan tells Ca...   Sep 07, 2007, 09:54 AM
Joesus   In Journey to Ixtlan, the third book in the series...   Sep 07, 2007, 03:35 PM
Joesus   To say there is alot of info tying the 3 together ...   Sep 07, 2007, 07:16 PM
Joesus   What makes you assume I assume anything? That ...   Sep 08, 2007, 07:14 PM
forgottenpresence   No, assuming I know nothing about what you are tal...   Sep 09, 2007, 09:33 PM
Joesus   Have you achieved the ability to transcend reali...   Sep 09, 2007, 11:00 PM
forgottenpresence   trojan_libido Leave it out Joesus, its a bit old n...   Sep 10, 2007, 04:39 PM
trojan_libido   Leave it out Joesus, its a bit old now. Your assu...   Sep 10, 2007, 12:14 AM
Joesus   I'm always willing to listen to an expert on ...   Sep 10, 2007, 08:16 AM
Enki   Joesus you fucked the topic up my dear, do you kno...   Sep 10, 2007, 09:53 AM
Flex   Joesus you fucked the topic up my dear, do you kn...   Sep 10, 2007, 10:12 AM
Enki   HAHAHA I love you Enki--you have such a way with ...   Sep 11, 2007, 11:46 AM
trojan_libido   Ok to set the record straight. Firstly I doubt if...   Sep 11, 2007, 04:42 AM
Joesus   That is a real statement and it does have value...   Sep 11, 2007, 09:01 AM
trojan_libido   Ok then Joesus, If "God" created everyth...   Sep 11, 2007, 10:09 AM
forgottenpresence   The key here forgottenpresence is...defending...p...   Sep 11, 2007, 01:08 PM
forgottenpresence   Ok to set the record straight. Firstly I doubt i...   Sep 11, 2007, 01:16 PM
forgottenpresence   Everyone has experiences and as such they could t...   Sep 11, 2007, 01:51 PM
Rick   PS - this quote thing is not working.. One incorre...   Sep 11, 2007, 02:49 PM
forgottenpresence   thanks   Sep 11, 2007, 05:18 PM
Joesus   First of all if the reactionary discipline is to...   Sep 11, 2007, 07:19 PM
forgottenpresence   How do you know how much I identify myself with ...   Sep 11, 2007, 08:11 PM
trojan_libido   All that text and little content, again. Answer...   Sep 11, 2007, 11:22 PM
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