God Is In The Magic Mushrooms, Psychedelic drugs could be very good for your mind, heart, soul. Can you believe? Options

[Hey Hey]

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[Joesus]

Ok then Joesus, If "God" created everything biological, and there are so many interactions (read hallucinogens) that can break through an ego and show that every action has limitless potential, do you not feel that those substances, which may have been taken into the food chain, are important to our history? In other words, is there no value in hallucinogens?

First of all if the reactionary discipline is to identify with ones character and projected beliefs in reality according to the interpretations of the ego any experience is going to be returned to ego's box for subject value and interpretation.
While having an experience, any experience, if the ego and all its principles are intact and the mind has not accustomed itself to the reality of egolessness, comprehension is going to be limited because the mind will not be familiar with any relevant function of thought in the unfamiliar. Until the experience is over, the mind will not make any references to what has happened or what is happening unless it is dragging its projections of belief with it which have been created prior to the experience.
The natural tendency to return all experiences to home base is relevant to any level of consciousness.
Home base is either based on experience of identities created from the past or in the case of the enlightened, the unmanifest, which is beyond all experience and identification.

Value is relative to the experience of awareness, and if the awareness is the identification with external manifestations, then they are going to change according to the experiences. IF the awareness is the unmanifest there is no change, and value would automatically be given to the expansion of awareness or the depth of the unmanifest in experience rather than the experience and any of its qualities.

The fact mystical experiences bubble up from these experiences, show me that "God" is abound in many places. Which brings us back to the topic. Is God in the magic mushroom?

God is in everything, which is why it is unnecessary to look to one experience over another, or to external manipulation to create a certain type of experience to call God.
God is more mundane than special, but the ego would like God to be mystical and fantastic in experience.

I don't believe you know what enlightenment is. The only way to know is to have experienced it, and I find this hard to believe.

Of course you don't believe it, and as such you will defend your beliefs and put all interpretations of your experiences in the box of beliefs. This will inhibit you from accepting anything that does not fit in your box and at the same time give you all the reason to defend what you do believe so you have some point of reference to identify reality and yourself.

So I do not have the right to claim this is what enlightenment is.

But you do believe you have the right to tell someone else that they do not know either, based on your own inability to recognize enlightenment.
This just comes from fear of being less or knowing less than you could or should.

It has to do with distachment from the past

That is only a quality not a prerequisite.

As Such when someone says to themselves I have experienced God or my Ego less self they only experience a reflection of the Self or of God.


That is your interpretation. You do not know everyones experiences, quit assuming you do.

This is not just my interpretation or experience. There is no experience that can contain God. The Egoless Self is God and it cannot be contained in an experience either. This is just reality.

It does amaze me. Now are you going to tell me you experience more clarity then me?

No I don't have to tell you that, you wouldn't really accept that anyone could experience anything more clear than you, or that you could get any clearer.

I have gone long periods of time abstaining from chemicals and it has been blissful. Does the fact that I can transcend entheogens make me too good for them?

The issue is not whether you are better than them it is whether you identify yourself with them at all. Your previous posts stated that you could not get the experiences of combining meditation and mushrooms by meditation alone. Now you say you can.

Just because I can transcend entheogens does not mean I should be pompous and tell myself I don't need them anymore and they do no good for me. And to tell others that they are wrong for using entheogens is just plain egocentric. We are all after different things in life, we are not all on your path. Just accept it.

Not a problem I can accept that you just like getting high. That is what I figured in the first place. It was all the "I am more enlightened by taking drugs" crap that I was addressing.

I have lost attachment to my thought process, memory, sense of self, external world. There has been absolutely nothing, I was nobody. If this is not an ego-less state, then what is it? A thought process, a belief?

No not a thought process, because you couldn't think it is an unconscious state of mind. The egoless state of awareness is not devoid of Self awareness, the ability to think, or remember.
A person would be a vegetable in the state of mind you describe and unable to function in this world. Does this function-less state of mind sound like enlightenment to you?

I can be in meditation and not have to meditate.

Of course you can but you aren't all the time are you.

And like I said, I can realize I am doing so. I am ultimately defending the right to take entheogens, like trojan mentioned.

I said you were making excuses for taking psychedelics and you denied it before.
The question I have now is why would you find the need to defend the right? Why would you draw to yourself anything that would cause you to defend your choices? Are you a victim?