God Is In The Magic Mushrooms, Psychedelic drugs could be very good for your mind, heart, soul. Can you believe? Options

[Hey Hey]

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[forgottenpresence]

Everyone has experiences and as such they could translate into value but then if you value one over another then you become attached to yourself and your experience.

Who is doing this? Like I said before, both meditation and psychedelics are very important. Both do different things. I told you that psychedelics would not work well for me if I did not integrate the experience with meditation. I am not implying that one has value over another, both are different things.

Humans are a reflection of God. That I am presence or I am That is more synonymous with the free flowing potential than the identity of any one experience. In realizing ones own potential anytime you take a stand in any one point of identity you cease to be the potential as you identity with something other.
This is what enlightenment is,

I don't believe you know what enlightenment is. The only way to know is to have experienced it, and I find this hard to believe. It has to do with distachment from the past, just because I can say this does not mean I know what enlightenment is. Distachment from the past is only a concept to me, it is not a total experience I am engaged in. So I do not have the right to claim this is what enlightenment is. Enlightenment is not a static definition, this confuses people and hinders growth.

God does not have a face, and there are no amount of faces that make a God because God is beyond infinite by any definition.

As Such when someone says to themselves I have experienced God or my Ego less self they only experience a reflection of the Self or of God.

That is your interpretation. You do not know everyones experiences, quit assuming you do.

The point is I have come to experience the capability to rise above any chemically induced high naturally, easily and permanently.

So have I. I have gone long periods of time abstaining from chemicals and it has been blissful. Does the fact that I can transcend entheogens make me too good for them? Just because I can transcend entheogens does not mean I should be pompous and tell myself I don't need them anymore and they do no good for me. And to tell others that they are wrong for using entheogens is just plain egocentric. We are all after different things in life, we are not all on your path. Just accept it.

I mean it's not like I do them every weekend. No no, not like that at all.

Drugs do not create enlightenment and they do not give anyone an experience of enlightenment. Enlightenment is not an experience, it takes one beyond the experiences.

Because you know so deeply what enlightenment is, right?

Enlightenment is something I'm sure none of us here have exerpienced.
But you are sure you have experienced being ego-less and states of no-mind..oh and also sensations of floating.
I had a sensation once...

I have lost attachment to my thought process, memory, sense of self, external world. There has been absolutely nothing, I was nobody. If this is not an ego-less state, then what is it? A thought process, a belief? Now it is only a memory of an experience, and I can realize that.

Where is the evidence that my nervous system is damaged?
It will come with the experience of transcending reality without the use of drugs and the experience of the mind and body in that state of consciousness. The experience of clarity of mind in daily living will amaze you.

It does amaze me. Now are you going to tell me you experience more clarity then me?

That day will come when you become unattached to your present beliefs.

Speak for yourself.

Your misunderstanding me. I do not "want" a certain experience. I feel it is part of my being and I use it to tune in to myself.
Then tune into the experience you have without drugs and meditation for that is a part of yourself that you are trying to escape from because you believe this other experience is more a part of yourself than the one you have without meditation and drugs. In fact the meditation should allow you to do this but you don't seem to become aware of yourself because you are fantasizing about your altered states experiences.

I can be in meditation and not have to meditate. I bet you didn't know that.

I can achieve a thoughtless aware blissful state through meditation. I cannot turn into a strand of DNA rotating and realizing things I could never comprehend through meditation alone (at least in this lifetime with society and all).

The thoughtful blissful state in meditation is obviously not enough for you so you take a drug to have an experience. This attachment to experiences is the addiction created by the ego.
You still don't know what or who you are do you? If you did you would be less enthralled by the experiences you are having under the influence of psychoactive placebos.

Keep trying to assume what I experience, it really isn't working. Your telling me I experience a "thoughtful blissful state" in meditation? How would you know what I experience? This is complete ignorance. You have no idea how attached to my experiences are through the words I convey and you cannot tell me I'm addicted. Assuming these things is a manifestation of the ego

I have had many experiences, and all I am doing is speaking of the validity of personal experience. You are the one who is imposing your opinions and beliefs onto me.
As Dianah Said you are defending your personal experiences and that is the trap of the ego.
No one said you didn't have the experiences, no one says you can't have them. There is so much more to you than the identification you have with them and the limitations you place on how you have them.

And like I said, I can realize I am doing so. I am ultimately defending the right to take entheogens, like trojan mentioned. You on the other hand cannot realize how you are in denial.

[Rick]

PS - this quote thing is not working..

One incorrectly nested quote or slash quote in a post and none of them will work. You should be able to go back and edit it for correctness.