God Is In The Magic Mushrooms, Psychedelic drugs could be very good for your mind, heart, soul. Can you believe? Options

[Hey Hey]

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[Joesus]

It allows me to transcend attachment to lower third-dimensional ego consciousness into higher more expanded states of awareness/being.

Altered states induced by drugs is not a transcended state of consciousness. What you are attempting to delude yourself with is the ego's belief in transcended states of consciousness which is not something that you visit on occasion or with the help of some chemical process.

Taking psychedelics alone without meditation would not be nearly as effective IME. All information and energy and understanding received during such an experience would be lost to the fog of the conditioned mind.

Effective meditation is a progressive movement toward permanent expansion of conscious awareness, which by the way in its early stages is rarely free from the influence of the ego unless you are enlightened already. Taking drugs creates scarring in the natural pathways that allow the mind and body to connect naturally, making it more difficult to naturally achieve communion with the absolute. Anyone in an expanded state of awareness would never compromise their ability to commune with the absolute by taking drugs of any kind.
Taking drugs actually stresses the nervous system which has to be cleared and unraveled before the mind and body can return to its natural state.

Unless you can transcend the drugs before taking them (which would preclude the insanity of taking the drug in the first place in the attempt to further delude yourself in the belief that you can permanently expand consciousness by taking drugs of any kind) drugs will have the opposite effect of any comprehensive meditation.

With drugs altered states are random and unpredictable. With the discipline of meditation and the removal of stress from the nervous system the permanent relationship of the awareness with the absolute is stable, permanent and predictable as one becomes more aware of reality.
The only thing predicable about taking drugs is that you will experience something different when you take them and it will take more of the drug to achieve something even similar to the time before.

[forgottenpresence]

Altered states induced by drugs is not a transcended state of consciousness. What you are attempting to delude yourself with is the ego's belief in transcended states of consciousness which is not something that you visit on occasion or with the help of some chemical process.

maybe you should realize your own delusions.

mushrooms connect us with nature, with ourselves. you are a fool if you believe the ego cannot be transcended through entheogens and meditation combined. i have expanded 4 feet out of my body in all directions on lsd. i have experienced multi-dimensional conscious awareness out of body experiences on high doses of ketamine while the sun was coming up. this is not my ego's belief, this is an experience. it would be a delusion to deny the experience, and deny the fact that I transcended attachment to mind/body.

just because mushrooms are external, or induce some "chemical process", does not mean it is not natural and delusional. absolutely rediculous. we are connected with the earth, we use the earth's tools to connect with ourselves. obviously you are ignorant of what goes on within a shaman in the amazon when he ingests ayahuasca.

Plants contain something which could be called a spirit, or soul, or some consciousness. When I ingest such a plant I have the feeling that this part of the planet heals us. My own consciousness attracts itself, through you.

Effective meditation is a progressive movement toward permanent expansion of conscious awareness, which by the way in its early stages is rarely free from the influence of the ego unless you are enlightened already.

I agree, this is why I stated it is important to integrate the entheogenic experience with meditation.

[Joesus]

mushrooms connect us with nature, with ourselves.

No you believe a mushroom can do what you yourself cannot without the placebo.

you are a fool if you believe the ego cannot be transcended through entheogens and meditation combined.

Altered state of mind experiences are not experiences that expand the conscious awareness and transcend the ego permanently. Experiences are experiences and they come and go. Your emotional response eludes to the ego still being alive and well as it defends itself and its belief.

just because some experiences are caused by chemical reactions in the brain does not mean it is not natural. the brain is made up of chemicals, adding chemicals to the mix is not adding something unnatural.

So now you are omniscient and can do a better job of scrambling your brain chemicals with this excuse rather than transcending limitations at will?

saying mystics do not understand the reality of the physical is absurd and completely ignorant. first of all you are using a label to describe something which should have no label.

You mean like mystical experiences?

you do not know all mystics and what they know/experience. stop assuming you do,

I've never heard of a mystic who is dependent on an external chemical to have a mystical experience, making a claim to being able to transcend reality on their own natural will power? I have however heard them (like yourself) make excuses for their dependence on their outside source and, making claims to this dependence being natural

consciousness expansion, NDE, OBE, astral travel, healing induced through entheogens+meditation is not a hallucination. it is a real experience. i have hallucinated and i have experienced more expanded things. maybe you haven't, if you haven't experienced then you would have no idea. absolutely none.

Yes expansion of consciousness has its experiences as do altered states which produce experiences that one may not normally have on their own, but when it comes to something that is permanently expanded and opens the mind to the ability to transcend the illusions of the ego NDE's OBE's astral projections and lucid dreams are experiences that may reveal certain aspects of the infinite and its possibilities but they do not free the mind from its beliefs and render the ego to its best service above and beyond attachment to identities of the self and the unboundedness of God.
Experiences come and go and often you are left with a memory that may seem lasting but they (memories) degrade after time.
Enlightenment does not deteriorate with time and there is no need to feed its growth with addictive habits.

[Rick]

... Enlightenment does not deteriorate with time and there is no need to feed its growth with addictive habits.

What if you stopped meditating?

[Joesus]

What if you stopped meditating?

Meditation is a tool, not the source of ones being.
Even of one turns their conscious awareness from the essence of themselves to follow some delusional thought, the reality of ones being does not really go anywhere, which is why one can find within themselves the reality of their being in the first place. It really takes no time at all with commitment and focus to glimpse the reality of the Self. The meditative process only facilitates the natural ability to become more familiar with that which underlies all experience, and as such one becomes less addicted to any kind of experience and becomes more stable in that which supports all experiences.

A magic mushroom is definately not a placebo, how can it be? There is no effect that is exactly like it anywhere.

The people who lean on an external source to gain what is inside of themselves, give to their icons or their devices of manipulation more power than they believe they have within, and as such find it necessary to turn to something other than their own inner strength because they have no faith in themselves and their ability to create the experience without it. The conditioning one sets within their own mind on the outer dependence is illusory same as a placebo.

Those who claim to have glimpsed the essence of who they are under the influence of some kind of drug are likely to make a similar claim to where they are going if they were to drive down a road blindfolded and take a picture out of the window at some random moment on their journey, then develop the picture after several years to say this is where I was going after really never experiencing or knowing what they are seeing.

Also Joesus, this statement is wrong because I've not seen one indication that hallucinogens are addictive, they have a self regulating scare-your-ass off quality if taken constantly. Many of them have a super fast tolerance build up which means you are physically unable to get high more than once every few days.

The addiction is relative to the dependence on external sources of strength power and manipulation, to achieve something one believes they are connected to but cannot achieve on their own.
Society in general is addicted to their beliefs in the illusions they create outside of themselves. Using Drugs or alcohol to create the experiences of strength and clarity is pretty common in the stressed environment of the waking state world.
There is no tolerance build up to the natural progression of expanding consciousness, but there are signposts in the twisting of experiences and the projections one makes about who and what they are based on the inconsistencies in the hallucinations one has while taking drugs or alcohol.
The Ego can always justify itself with any crutch it uses to identify itself, but in the end it still boils down to the same thing.
Anytime someone decides they need something external to make themselves whole isn't grasping the magnificence of who they really are.