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post Jan 23, 2006, 12:51 AM
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[to continue a discussion started with Steve Lance]

When your experience grows, and you become a part of all you experience, and there is no clear boundary where you end and others begin, where is there room for an ego? And where do we go when we've outgrown our old egos? Do we create new ones or does something else happen?

Assume for a moment that you've reached the ideal state of enlightenment (some of us may be there already, but nevermind that). You reside in an expanded, godly, egoless state of mind in which you are one with everything you experience. What now? Is this it? Is this really the goal of life you desire?

Perhaps all living things have a will to transcend themselves (which appears exceptionally in man, at times). In such a case, there is no ideal state of enlightenment. In such a case, quality of life is measured in terms of striving and strength to transcend oneself, and the notion of remaining content with a state of enlightened Being is seen as a weakness precisely because the act of Becoming (and striving and transcending oneself) is noticably absent.

Or perhaps it's no coincidence that age is commonly believed to be correlated with 'wisdom', and that the older we get, the more 'mellow' we tend to become. That is, we become more mellow as we age because we become wiser?

There seems to be a flaw with that logic. The point being that we should all strive for enlightening experiences, but not remain content with the enlightenment thereby attained, because in the end, it's all relative.
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post May 25, 2006, 04:31 AM
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Quote : "Who said anything about enlightenment being the source of all happiness ?"

All those who have awakened... all those who realized their innermost nature. Ecstasy is our true nature.
And you can be one of them. Nothing is casual in life...and it is not casual that you chose the name lucid dream. You may not be fully aware of it, but it means that you are very close to awakening. You may just need a slight nudge...
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Shawn   Enlightenment An Ultimate Aim?   Jan 23, 2006, 12:51 AM
Trip like I do   When your experience grows, and you become a part ...   Jan 23, 2006, 08:46 PM
Rick   You reside in an expanded, godly, egoless state o...   Jan 24, 2006, 11:00 AM
lucid_dream   You reside in an expanded, godly, egoless state ...   Feb 08, 2006, 06:20 PM
code buttons   [quote name='Rick' post='58579' date='Jan 24, 11...   Mar 16, 2006, 06:07 AM
Guest   Hey Max, I like your style :0) Not sure about you...   Mar 16, 2006, 07:25 AM
code buttons   to deny yourself enlightenment for what ever reas...   Mar 16, 2006, 10:54 AM
Guest   [quote name='Guest' post='61296' date='Mar 16, 07...   Mar 16, 2006, 12:14 PM
shivamurti   [quote name='Guest' post='61296' date='Mar 16, 0...   Mar 17, 2006, 05:50 PM
shivamurti   [quote name='Guest' post='61304' date='Mar 16, 12...   Mar 17, 2006, 05:59 PM
Dan   ... we are not doing anything , we are not doing ...   Mar 17, 2006, 11:30 PM
Rick   That is an exremely fair question and deserves a f...   Feb 09, 2006, 10:44 AM
Laz   When you learn, it seems that you end up wanting t...   Mar 15, 2006, 10:08 AM
Rick   Everyone must learn at least some lessons the hard...   Mar 15, 2006, 05:05 PM
Laz   Ooops, forgot to log in. The mysterious response w...   Mar 16, 2006, 07:26 AM
lucid_dream   enlightenment is more than just believing you...   Mar 16, 2006, 12:39 PM
Laz   But do you believe that?   Mar 16, 2006, 01:02 PM
rhymer   general comment. It is far better to use 'can...   Mar 18, 2006, 03:59 PM
Guest   Enlightenment is interesting. It's not uncomm...   Mar 18, 2006, 11:20 PM
Neural   you will know them by their works   Mar 19, 2006, 12:12 AM
Guest   Yeah Neural but what's interesting is that tho...   Mar 19, 2006, 09:51 AM
Laz   how and why do non-enlightened people surpass the...   Mar 19, 2006, 11:15 AM
Guest   how and why do non-enlightened people surpass the...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:12 PM
Laz   I was still referring to character flaws. The phe...   Mar 19, 2006, 01:10 PM
Guest   If you presented the question to me; like I said, ...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:14 PM
Neural   If you presented the question to me; like I said,...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:48 PM
Neural   I would not expect enlightened people to be free o...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:21 PM
mayonaise   Okay... now why meditate then?   Mar 19, 2006, 12:43 PM
Neural   because meditation dissolves dualistic modes of co...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:46 PM
Neural   in our current world, particularly true of the Wes...   Mar 19, 2006, 12:54 PM
mayonaise   Guest=me So I am bitter and jealous, let that be ...   Mar 19, 2006, 09:11 PM
Laz   Guest=me So I am bitter and jealous, let that be...   Mar 20, 2006, 03:18 AM
mayonaise   Hi Laz.. in case you're still there, I revive ...   Apr 07, 2006, 09:31 AM
Laz   Hi Laz.. in case you're still there, I revive...   Apr 07, 2006, 01:34 PM
mayonaise   Sorry for the fucked up quotes, I really don't...   Apr 07, 2006, 02:34 PM
Laz   look deeper into it ;0) Joesus is a star. ...   Apr 07, 2006, 03:41 PM
Plato   Neural said: Being doing some reading here to get...   Mar 24, 2006, 05:56 AM
Neural   You made a [url=http://brainmeta.com/redirect/redi...   Mar 25, 2006, 12:21 AM
Plato   You made a [url=http://brainmeta.com/redirect/red...   Mar 25, 2006, 06:10 AM
Plato   I wonder if I had related this piece of informatio...   Apr 07, 2006, 06:53 PM
Laz   Plato, did you used to be Psiloman?   Apr 08, 2006, 06:24 AM
Plato   Plato, did you used to be Psiloman? No, that i...   Apr 08, 2006, 03:38 PM
Laz   Oh okay, sorry.   Apr 09, 2006, 01:06 AM
Plato   Oh okay, sorry. Was that a kinder way of askin...   Apr 09, 2006, 09:03 AM
Laz   Just thought I recognised the style of writing is ...   Apr 09, 2006, 12:30 PM
code buttons   May i refer you to what Joesus is saying in the ...   Apr 10, 2006, 09:50 AM
Laz   Harsh words indeed. I guess that any of them wil...   Apr 10, 2006, 11:34 AM
Plato   Harsh words indeed. I guess that any of them will...   Apr 10, 2006, 05:32 PM
Guest   I am sorry I still do not understand, what you ar...   Apr 11, 2006, 10:22 AM
Laz   I am sorry I still do not understand, what you a...   Apr 11, 2006, 10:23 AM
Neural   Plato, why would you think the mystical experience...   Apr 10, 2006, 10:33 PM
Plato   Plato, why would you think the mystical experienc...   Apr 11, 2006, 08:02 PM
Hynox.   Can I ask, what makes seeking enlightenment, or th...   May 19, 2006, 07:29 AM
lucid_dream   Enlightenment is special because it is about ...   May 19, 2006, 07:42 AM
Guest   Every human being´s essential nature is perfect a...   May 21, 2006, 06:57 AM
lucid_dream   What is enlightenment ? It is the state of egoless...   May 21, 2006, 10:32 AM
maximus242   .. wow, nicely put lucid.   May 21, 2006, 10:35 AM
Guest   Truth is not an opinion, and an opinion is not Tru...   May 22, 2006, 05:21 PM
rhymer   I agree: opinions are beliefs. But, an opinion ma...   May 23, 2006, 02:20 PM
Guest   "Opinion is a flitting thing but Truth outlas...   May 23, 2006, 04:52 PM
Hynox.   "The fact that an opinion has been widely he...   May 24, 2006, 08:12 PM
lucid_dream   Does this mean that enlightenment could be utterly...   May 24, 2006, 10:33 PM
Hynox.   "It is the state of sheer Joy, Bliss, Love, P...   May 25, 2006, 02:06 AM
Rick   Some rather nice quotes. It's my opinion that...   May 24, 2006, 09:21 AM
Guest   Quote : "Who said anything about enlightenmen...   May 25, 2006, 04:31 AM
Guest   Enlightenment and the Body of Light: Sacred Tradit...   May 27, 2006, 04:34 AM
Guest   PATANJALI ON ENLIGHTENMENT: The Bliss of Pure I-...   May 28, 2006, 04:32 AM
Guest   Seek knowledge which unravels mysteries Before you...   Jun 13, 2006, 03:57 PM
rhymer   1 Seek knowledge which unravels mysteries 2 Befor...   Jun 13, 2006, 04:09 PM
Guest   Hello, Rhymer ! It´s good that You ask these ...   Jun 14, 2006, 05:38 PM


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