Enlightenment An Ultimate Aim? Options

[Shawn]

[to continue a discussion started with Steve Lance]

When your experience grows, and you become a part of all you experience, and there is no clear boundary where you end and others begin, where is there room for an ego? And where do we go when we've outgrown our old egos? Do we create new ones or does something else happen?

Assume for a moment that you've reached the ideal state of enlightenment (some of us may be there already, but nevermind that). You reside in an expanded, godly, egoless state of mind in which you are one with everything you experience. What now? Is this it? Is this really the goal of life you desire?

Perhaps all living things have a will to transcend themselves (which appears exceptionally in man, at times). In such a case, there is no ideal state of enlightenment. In such a case, quality of life is measured in terms of striving and strength to transcend oneself, and the notion of remaining content with a state of enlightened Being is seen as a weakness precisely because the act of Becoming (and striving and transcending oneself) is noticably absent.

Or perhaps it's no coincidence that age is commonly believed to be correlated with 'wisdom', and that the older we get, the more 'mellow' we tend to become. That is, we become more mellow as we age because we become wiser?

There seems to be a flaw with that logic. The point being that we should all strive for enlightening experiences, but not remain content with the enlightenment thereby attained, because in the end, it's all relative.

[mayonaise]

Guest=me

So I am bitter and jealous, let that be where I am coming from.

But let's talk about the matter instead of me.

I know that meditation is about thoughts without boundaries. I do it daily.

Yet getting rid of character flaws is the most important thing for me, and I believe, the whole world too. I think that's true too to some extent. That is why I'm bringing this POV up - that has actually been sidestepped in by Kornfield. But maybe you and me have already exhausted our supply of fresh ideas and we have to rest the case?

[Laz]

Guest=me

So I am bitter and jealous, let that be where I am coming from.

But let's talk about the matter instead of me.

that's a real shame, i'd like to get to know you.

I know that meditation is about thoughts without boundaries. I do it daily.

Yet getting rid of character flaws is the most important thing for me, and I believe, the whole world too. I think that's true too to some extent. That is why I'm bringing this POV up - that has actually been sidestepped in by Kornfield. But maybe you and me have already exhausted our supply of fresh ideas and we have to rest the case?

becomming perfect and sweeping the island of the tonal is my primary goal as well :0)
what i'm unable to do with you right now is to have a straight conversation because of the hoks and traps in your words. what exactly is your point of view? and why do you think the two of us have run out of ideas?

[mayonaise]

Hi Laz.. in case you're still there, I revive this post... sorry but I needed the time to engage my brain.

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Guest=me

So I am bitter and jealous, let that be where I am coming from.
But let's talk about the matter instead of me. [/quote]

that's a real shame, i'd like to get to know you.[/quote]
Alrightie then... I have asperger's syndrome, ADD, PTSD - I'm like Danger from the movie Million Dollar Baby, yelling " And I challenge the "Motor City Cobra", Thomas "Hit Man" Hearns to fight me for the Welterweight Championship of the whole world!"

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[quote]I know that meditation is about thoughts without boundaries. I do it daily.

Yet getting rid of character flaws is the most important thing for me, and I believe, the whole world too. I think that's true too to some extent. That is why I'm bringing this POV up - that has actually been sidestepped in by Kornfield. But maybe you and me have already exhausted our supply of fresh ideas and we have to rest the case?
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[quote]becomming perfect and sweeping the island of the tonal is my primary goal as well :0)
what i'm unable to do with you right now is to have a straight conversation because of the hoks and traps in your words. what exactly is your point of view? and why do you think the two of us have run out of ideas?
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So we have common goals. I still disagree I had deliberately put many traps there, hooks yes but mainly just to push the dialog more to the direction I wanted.

It seems to me that enlightenment is, on this forum, almost universally accepted as desirable without a doubt. So much so, that it's like what a Kurzweilian singularity is to many techie types. This to me suggests an error in thinking, bias (?), based perhaps on the myriad stories about it, the myth. I can be shown to be wrong.

Whereas neurohacking has a lot less myth around it, at least the practical side of it. This is an ego thing to me, to set matters straight about this.

But using an eastern view of the world may slow down progress of technology. And this might be slowing us down as a species too.

Looking up the quote from Kornfield is too much for me now.