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..... nice doodle of the mrs.' bernard! Randomness does not have the same optical effects as deterministic repetition!
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..... nice doodle of the mrs.' bernard! Randomness does not have the same optical effects as deterministic repetition!
Is a doodle art? (Order is in the eye of the beholder. Not all beholders have equal eyes. Not all beholders have eyes. Is there order without a beholder? Does it matter? Philosophically, that is?)
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.

yes.... but in this doodle you are using the wrong visual language by applying the wrong optical chemistry period (as in . )
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.

yes.... but in this doodle you are using the wrong visual language by applying the wrong optical chemistry period (as in . )

Your opinion - my opinion ..... still opinions. Art is all about opinions, nothing more. Art fills space. But space has a purity and art pollutes that. When I used to sell paintings to pay the rent as a student (before you were born) many people asked if I could do a painting, "To fill a space." I used to say, "I wish I could afford some space." I don't think any of them got it. I used to paint in oils on canvas only. I made the stretchers, stretched the canvas, painted, made the frames, delivered the complete work. My job was to fill space. But it also filled my life, through days and nights. My studying suffered and my wellbeing. So I gave up painting. I have a blank canvas on an easel in my study .... waiting. But I know what will happen. I value my space too much nowadays. I rather like the blank canvas. Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it, LOL,
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I suppose that at some point painting stopped being enough fun. Then it bacame microbiology that propelled you?
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.

yes.... but in this doodle you are using the wrong visual language by applying the wrong optical chemistry period (as in . )

Your opinion - my opinion ..... still opinions. Art is all about opinions, nothing more....

.... except mine is far from an opinion, rather a highly educated neural network of the particular subject at hand! I believe that the proper course of action for you to take instead of being defensive and explanatory would have been to question my initial attempts of a courteous professional critic of your attempt at art! Engaged in a dialogue about the piece in particular without all the side dishes!
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I suppose that at some point painting stopped being enough fun. Then it bacame microbiology that propelled you?

.... you think painting is fun? You believe a painter paints because of the fun involved, lol.... quit bonzai'ng and give painting a go rick!
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I suppose that at some point painting stopped being enough fun.
One can have too much fun. I never considered painting fun, as I don't consider writing poetry fun. I was compelled to paint and I am compelled to write poetry. Neither did/do I consider any of the work an achievement, though, as I said, money did change hands for my paintings. (The maximum I ever received was 70 in 1976).

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Then it bacame microbiology that propelled you?
I was studying to be a biomedical scientist at the time. My microbiology study and career came quite a bit later. (Actually the microbiology was microbial biochemistry - I don't consider myself a microbiologist, but, as you know, one picks up a great deal within an academic environment. I have many friends/colleagues who teach/research in other disciplines, including the art, the subject of the current discussion.)
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I must be very lucky. I do engineering because it's fun. I don't think I would do anything that didn't result in fun overall. For example, going door to door for a political candidate is "fun" because in the end your candidate wins (or has an increased probability of winning), and that's fun. The standing in the sun, tired feet, and walking are uncomfortable, but the ends justify the means.
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.

yes.... but in this doodle you are using the wrong visual language by applying the wrong optical chemistry period (as in . )

Your opinion - my opinion ..... still opinions. Art is all about opinions, nothing more....

.... except mine is far from an opinion, rather a highly educated neural network of the particular subject at hand! I believe that the proper course of action for you to take instead of being defensive and explanatory would have been to question my initial attempts of a courteous professional critic of your attempt at art! Engaged in a dialogue about the piece in particular without all the side dishes!
I know that you are very well educated in fine arts. But I'll let you into a little secret, Trip. As a little aside I studied for and obtained a first class honours Bachelor of Arts degree in my spare time. As one goes through life, one picks up all sorts of interesting little things that don't necessarily eventually fit at the very top of the priority list. Suffice it to say then, that I also have some experience of the arts. But aside from the hobbies I have spent most time over the years on the sciences.

Not that academic study of the arts necessarily provides one with the skills or ability to accomplish artist works. Much artist prowess is achieved through practice and the passage of time. I am not an artist, I know that. I haven't served enough time on the easel, as it were. I knocked up the little drawing above to provide some colour and a human form within, that much modern art contains, in order to enable a discussion on what might be considered art (well, abstract art really). I know that you are very experienced in abstract colour-bright painting. I have found many of your paintings appealing. But I am still at a loss as to why we consider meanderings of colour and form "art', whereas the form and colour irregularities in a storm sky itself are not generally considered 'art' but merely beautiful or perhaps even ugly 'nature' (unless photographed, sketched or painted, of course). I suppose there is some overlap (maybe even complete overlap) by the religiously incoherent when they sometimes describe nature as 'God's art'. Often the attraction through interest (say, in the method employed), the style of the work to fill a particular space (important this as much 'art' is sold or endowed to someone with a 'space' to fill), and so on, is what is deemed an explanation for the conferred term 'art', instead of a more deep analytical description of the work and its effect on the human emotions or psyche. The same emotions can be stimulated by something that is not art, so those emotions were not evolved specifically for the purposes of appreciating art. Art is perhaps something that can maintain a stimulatory presence when other stimulatory factors are absent or diminished. For example, the painting of a beautiful woman resides on the wall when night has come and company has left. Much art is sensual, erotic or pornographic? Maybe there lies a primordial origin for some 'art'?
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I must be very lucky. I do engineering because it's fun. I don't think I would do anything that didn't result in fun overall. For example, going door to door for a political candidate is "fun" because in the end your candidate wins (or has an increased probability of winning), and that's fun. The standing in the sun, tired feet, and walking are uncomfortable, but the ends justify the means.
Don't get me wrong, I find microbiology (subject name: you know the story from above) great fun. I especially enjoyed teaching it. I think I can say that after about 10 years it began to be an actual joy to teach, though I did take a long sabbatical from it to start up a business (in analytical microbiology). The business was more a pain than a joy!
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The business was more a pain than a joy!

Not every try is a success, but the fun must lie in the attempt. I had a software business for 10 years and it eventually folded. I had fun while it lasted.
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... But I am still at a loss as to why we consider meanderings of colour and form "art', whereas the form and colour irregularities in a storm sky itself are not generally considered 'art' but merely beautiful or perhaps even ugly 'nature' (unless photographed, sketched or painted, of course). ...

That's easy. By definition, it's not art unless it's an artifact. It's the human creativity we praise.
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The business was more a pain than a joy!

Not every try is a success, but the fun must lie in the attempt. I had a software business for 10 years and it eventually folded. I had fun while it lasted.
Oh the business was a success but I was always involved in money matters and the science became secondary. The company (well there are two actually) still exists but I have had no involvement since I got ill. My business partner tried to fiddle me out of everything while I was laid up incapacitated for a year. I still have my share certificates but no money to fight a legal case ..... yet! One day I'll get the bastard. But he's in his late 60's. I hope he survives long enough to serve a jail sentence. I look forward to hearing that he has to take it up the ass every day.
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... But I am still at a loss as to why we consider meanderings of colour and form "art', whereas the form and colour irregularities in a storm sky itself are not generally considered 'art' but merely beautiful or perhaps even ugly 'nature' (unless photographed, sketched or painted, of course). ...

That's easy. By definition, it's not art unless it's an artifact. It's the human creativity we praise.
You say human. But what about this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4109664.stm
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Not every try is a success, but the fun must lie in the attempt. I had a software business for 10 years and it eventually folded. I had fun while it lasted.
Can you write in Objective C? I'm looking for someone to code a project for a friend who wants to put his book into an iPhone and iPad format. It's a book to fill out details in. Apple's SDK is available free for developers. He would pay for the work.
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I use C, C++, and Java. See

http://chess.captain.at

for example (a Java applet). I'm sure Objective C is one of the numerous popular variants on C such as C-sharp, etc., and would be relatively easy to learn. However, I am quite busy now with my numerous volunteer activities (university alumni association, high school robotics team, political club presidency, bonsai club, etc.) and am not intereted in a programming project. But thanks for thinking of me.
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deterministic repetition, however, can simultaneously and harmoniously co-exist with randomness and trigger exciting optical, hence neurological activity!
Random photons can cause the reaction between iodine monochloride and hydrogen generating hydrogen chloride and iodine. Simple chemistry - complex chemistry ..... still chemistry.

yes.... but in this doodle you are using the wrong visual language by applying the wrong optical chemistry period (as in . )

Your opinion - my opinion ..... still opinions. Art is all about opinions, nothing more....

.... except mine is far from an opinion, rather a highly educated neural network of the particular subject at hand! I believe that the proper course of action for you to take instead of being defensive and explanatory would have been to question my initial attempts of a courteous professional critic of your attempt at art! Engaged in a dialogue about the piece in particular without all the side dishes!
I know that you are very well educated in fine arts. But I'll let you into a little secret, Trip. As a little aside I studied for and obtained a first class honours Bachelor of Arts degree in my spare time. As one goes through life, one picks up all sorts of interesting little things that don't necessarily eventually fit at the very top of the priority list. Suffice it to say then, that I also have some experience of the arts. But aside from the hobbies I have spent most time over the years on the sciences.

Not that academic study of the arts necessarily provides one with the skills or ability to accomplish artist works. Much artist prowess is achieved through practice and the passage of time. I am not an artist, I know that. I haven't served enough time on the easel, as it were. I knocked up the little drawing above to provide some colour and a human form within, that much modern art contains, in order to enable a discussion on what might be considered art (well, abstract art really). I know that you are very experienced in abstract colour-bright painting. I have found many of your paintings appealing. But I am still at a loss as to why we consider meanderings of colour and form "art', whereas the form and colour irregularities in a storm sky itself are not generally considered 'art' but merely beautiful or perhaps even ugly 'nature' (unless photographed, sketched or painted, of course). I suppose there is some overlap (maybe even complete overlap) by the religiously incoherent when they sometimes describe nature as 'God's art'. Often the attraction through interest (say, in the method employed), the style of the work to fill a particular space (important this as much 'art' is sold or endowed to someone with a 'space' to fill), and so on, is what is deemed an explanation for the conferred term 'art', instead of a more deep analytical description of the work and its effect on the human emotions or psyche. The same emotions can be stimulated by something that is not art, so those emotions were not evolved specifically for the purposes of appreciating art. Art is perhaps something that can maintain a stimulatory presence when other stimulatory factors are absent or diminished. For example, the painting of a beautiful woman resides on the wall when night has come and company has left. Much art is sensual, erotic or pornographic? Maybe there lies a primordial origin for some 'art'?

ummmmm, ok.... when you are ready to dissect the artwork in question (without all the offshoot trajectories) I'll be @
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I use C, C++, and Java. See

http://chess.captain.at

for example (a Java applet). I'm sure Objective C is one of the numerous popular variants on C such as C-sharp, etc., and would be relatively easy to learn. However, I am quite busy now with my numerous volunteer activities (university alumni association, high school robotics team, political club presidency, bonsai club, etc.) and am not intereted in a programming project. But thanks for thinking of me.
Fair enough Rick. If you change your mind in the next week or two, or could recommend someone, you know where I am.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jun 03, 2010, 09:10 PM) *

I use C, C++, and Java. See

http://chess.captain.at

for example (a Java applet). I'm sure Objective C is one of the numerous popular variants on C such as C-sharp, etc., and would be relatively easy to learn. However, I am quite busy now with my numerous volunteer activities (university alumni association, high school robotics team, political club presidency, bonsai club, etc.) and am not intereted in a programming project. But thanks for thinking of me.
Fair enough Rick. If you change your mind in the next week or two, or could recommend someone, you know where I am.
Will do asap but I've just acquired a job (via wife) so I'll have to move it down the list a little, else there'll be more trouble in the world.
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Nice work. its real art. i never think that we make a photo like that style. i really inspired from you and try to make photo in your style.
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