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post Apr 28, 2017, 10:20 AM
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Three perspectives on why man is Godís master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as Godís master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as Godís master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw...player_embedded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg...&list=PLCBF574D

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Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above Godís written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

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Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by manís laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

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post Apr 30, 2017, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(Snotstick Bishop @ Apr 28, 2017, 06:20 PM) *

Three perspectives on why man is Godís master.

Perspective 1.
Has man forgotten his rightful place as Godís master?

A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as Godís master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is.

It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God.

One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods?

You are basing this first perspective on an interpretation of spiritual science as it is dictated through the interpretations of man floating in a boat on top of a sea created by belief/religion, rather than the experience of God. It's like a caveman explaining the inner workings of a television regardless of the fact that the caveman hasn't ever seen a television.

Your perspective is meaningless, because you simply exchange one belief for another that you believe is superior.
The original teachings of Jesus the Christ were what man has made into religion(s). Gnosticism has suffered the same fate. Few step up to the methods or disciplines to find and experience the Oneness of consciousness, and then utter the same claims that Jesus did as a Christed (united inside and outside with the one Consciousness/God) Being. "What I witness in the Father the Father witnesses in me"

QUOTE(Gno shit Bishop @ Apr 28, 2017, 06:20 PM) *


Perspective 2.
Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man?

The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word.

The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God.

The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above Godís written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid.

More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word.

The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King.

Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often?

Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian?

If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today.

The bible is a splintered version of texts which describe conversations between a teacher and his students, as well as the history of spiritual science before it was taken and conceptualized, and then compartmentalized to fit the ideals of a social structures set forth to dictate the special interests of the ruling class and the church they operated behind.

The second coming was originally spoken of as the awakening of human consciousness, where God was seen as internal (inside of man and all objects of perception) rather than projected as an external object of worship.
The idea takes the "Ye are Gods" concept a bit further than an interpretation of individual God heads projected outward as in MAN becoming Gods, to a refined awareness of God in all individuals.
Your interpretation leads to an idea that is similar to the thoughts that a man has, as being the same as the man who has the thoughts. The thoughts themselves do not, in and of themselves, become sentient, nor do they have a will of their own, but rather have imbued within them, direction, intelligence and power of that intent or direction to fulfill a course and find its way back to its source.

" I and my Father are One. What the Father witnesses in me, I witness in the Father."

Jn 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Jn 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Man wishes to make the temporary self/body/ego immortal, yet it has never been so.

The idea that the Bible wishes man to pursue demons or witches is a gross misinterpretation of the discipline to tame the ego and its identification with the projections of man, where the outer world has power. All the world is a projection of thought. An atom is 99.9999% empty space, or conscious particles that only take form thru the attachment to the idea or image. All power is in that which projects the image. The image is temporary. The power which creates, immortal and everlasting.

Mk 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Jn 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

QUOTE(Gnows shit Bishop @ Apr 28, 2017, 06:20 PM) *


Perspective 3.
Does as above so below mean that God must abide by manís laws?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by.

There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind.

Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar?

Regards
DL

You should be a preacher. Your interpretations are similar to those that stand upon the pulpit pretending to know God and dictating God's will without every having experienced God.

As above so below was a quote taken by Hermes, a scientist philosopher of Atlantean descent during his time in Egypt. The Atlanteans colonized Egypt and brought their decaying science and philosophy of spirituality and the nature of the universe after their continent was destroyed. The quote refers to the layers of natural law that exist within each state of consciousness that rule the manifest.
Most are familiar only with sleeping, dreaming and waking states of consciousness and their subjective and objective qualities. The other 4 states of consciousness described by those such as Patanjali in his Yoga Sutras some 5000 years ago have been similarly twisted as has the eastern sciences been twisted by the 4th century raping of scripture when the King James version of the bible was shit out by the scholars and the contracting monarchs of the time.

The idea is that there are restrictions to perception and action regarding time and space within each state of consciousness, and that the ruler of all these levels is the same One Consciousness that creates and supports them.

As above in higher states of consciousness there are natural laws which support the perception and awareness of consciousness, and below there are restrictions which prevent man from seeing and feeling what they are not intellectually, or emotionally capable of handling. A man with a self centered ego does not deserve to take responsibility for certain qualities within the universe that allow him control over time, space or matter.

You would not hand the keys of a corvette to a 3 year old and tell him to go have fun on the freeway.

Similarly to give man the power to destroy the earth before he has the capacity to reign in his emotions or attachments to the world, is likely to only end in disaster.

God or the awareness of God is not simply handed over to those who claim they wanna see God. Yet many will follow this idea and demand God show him/herself before they will believe. The universe doesn't work that way any more than you must believe in a television before it will work.

The Bible made reference to Jesus who was master of the 7 states of consciousness, speaking in parables to allow those who might intuit higher vibrational language and meanings to step forward and rise above or ascend the lower levels of consciousness. What he got was thousands of followers who were mesmerized by his persona, and a dozen disciples that were Karmically linked to his arrival. There were a few, such as the Magii who appeared at his birth who knew what he was to be, but for the most part, people in general were still locked into the beliefs of their social culture surrounding the mentality of men who owned their women and their goats, and traded them equally in the same manner.

Religion has helped to shape these men who were owners of women and goats, into what they are today. Now they want to own God and the world, but have still come no closer to God, or the science of spirituality than they were 2000 years ago. They still imagine what is true while harboring the input of false ideas created from a lack of experience and knowing.

Proselytizing the reality of sex without having experienced it or having mastered it is still preaching ideals that are subject to a lack of experience, as are the ideals of any practice or religion that is founded and maintained by belief only.

There are both the methods/disciplines and the tools to train the mind to go inward and let the illusions of the world go.

You wanna talk about something that is real?
Then talk about those (the tools and methods to know what is behind the scripture (words of the enlightened) that has been since degraded into religion and belief.
No one wants to hear your stories and then assume them as their own. It may be somewhat satisfying to a lesser mind as it has been for you to accept what you have been told, but real people want to have their own experience and see the results of something that is more than just a promise made by someone who pretends to know something.

Jesus was exemplified as one who never tried to sell anything that he didn't understand or know thru direct experience, or tried to sell something that wasn't possible for any man or woman to know and experience.
Only the religionists try to extend his words into ideals and obscurity, rather than to direct those to their own experience.

In the Upanishads there are three things mentioned that a man/woman needs to become Christed/enlightened.

1. The tools or methods to take the mind inward and to strengthen the awareness and senses that have been atrophied by allowing the ego (everything goes outward and a word that also translated as Satan) to establish all awareness on the temporary projections of mind (not the brain). Universal mind or conscious awareness does not die but rather it moves in and out of manifestation simply by will alone.

2. Surround ones self with enlightened individuals. Those that have themselves taken a discipline and accomplished enlightenment or the direct experience of Awareness being one with God/Consciousness. ("I and my Father are one")

3. Study scripture. Words of the enlightened. Not the same thing as interpretations of scripture such as translations that have been butchered and twisted such as the King James Version of the Bible or any such derivative like the Mormons Bible or the Bible of the Jehovahs witnesses. Lean more to the Eastern scriptures which have been less tampered with. Only then will you find the truths still legible within the western distortions like the Bible. Scripture becomes easily understood with the experience of expansion of consciousness because the tenets of enlightenment are the same for all. Experiences vary with individuality but the individual experiences are easily recognized as the observance of the one stable and unchanging force that has been traditionally called or given title to as "God the Father" in Western Culture, or "Infinite Mind" in others.

On another note. It is often said that those who profess to know, know nothing. Yet there is also something of history in that gifts of truth given to the child that has no capacity for acknowledgement or the ability to take something of value and make it into something even more valuable, is not worthy of gifts. People love to spew platitudes in order to defend themselves, not so much as an experienced Man of wisdom.

Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I think people such as yourself love to do this kind of "drive by" proselytizing without ever entering into discussion because they fear their lack of knowledge and the weakness of their own beliefs. You should really stick to your own group where you will find more comfort and companionship. I have yet to experience anything from you that stands alone in the actual knowledge and strength of anything that is real. 16 posts and no follow ups or discussions with anyone who would challenge your claims.

The internal components of scripture are never written as a forecast for things to come but rather as, what is "now".
So the idea you suggest in that the Bible was a prediction of future events is simply ignorance or a misinterpretation of reality.

It is stated somewhere that Jesus made a comment towards an idea around miracles, that "ye shall do greater things than these", but that does not mean in some future, some kind of Gods will come and replace one idol for another.
The reference is to the reality that when someone has experienced the power within, and experiences for themselves, what they call from lesser states of consciousness "miracles", they become greater than the illusions that are experienced when one has no understanding or experience of what is happening. That kind of evolution is part and parcel to the Universe and all that is in it.

It's just a matter of time where ignorance and projection is left behind for experience and mastery.
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