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post Dec 18, 2005, 08:21 AM
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Hi all, and once again thank you for the wonderful freedom which allows me at times to rant so eloquently, this time to introduce the father.

Long ago there was 0, infinite, the level plateau. 0 exists as nothing, everything in a dormant state, but because it is dormant does not mean it ceases to exist all is still contained within 0, 0 is everything focused to the same point.

0 can only exist for so long before it needs to confirm it's own infinity, and just by questioning 1 is created. 0 looks at 1 and duality is created, when 0 becomes 1 and one becomes 2 what happens then?

Everything exists as it has always existed and always will exist, the same light that’s in me is in you, is in all life, all matter all creation no matter how insignificant.

Each of us has our own sphere of consciousness, we all know this it's our space. We're not human, we're not spirit we're not anything except I AM. All things see life in the beginning and say I AM, I AM Human, I AM Bird, when really we should see that I AM light, the reflection we see is an illusion created for our own benefit.

Nothing is hidden from those who want to see, enlightenment, peace of mind, understanding and infinite love are all things any of us can have simply by having them. We need to stop reacting from the ego and start reacting by seeing all things as equal and using the gifts we have been given to keep that sacred balance.

A flock of birds operate as a single bird, one consciousness, as do dolphins whales and many many more creatures. There is a collective consciousness we have long forgotten and it seems that now once again it is coming to the forefront of our psyches.

We must see that for all of our advances as a race that we are still the most primitive form of life because we are the only form of life that engages in acts of atrocity and justifies them at such a large scale. We think wholesale slaughter of animals, mining of essential resources, destroying continents of forests is okay because there must be progress.

From this train of logic progress will only ultimately lead to death. It is the path of darkness because it is not in balance with the universe in which we live. This path is trying to improve on the Gods perfection by covering his with our ideal of it.

I’m not talking about tree hugging or becoming a communal hippie, I’m talking about people being able to look at the bigger picture and see whats going on. People want to understand God, to the majority of people religion is a tremendously important part of life, so why can’t they see that the life they live is in direct opposition with the beliefs they supposedly follow.

How many people can still claim to love thy neighbor as thyself ?
How many of us covet everything including the neighbors wife?

We’ve created a society where once again sin can be justified by mass opinion.

God to truly be God is neither good nor evil. Good and evil are the names of duality, opposite names of the same emotion. When you hate someone or love someone there is no difference in the emotion your feeling, the difference is in your perception of that person. So even though we perceive these to be different emotions they are both the same. God is good and evil, light and darkness, God is creation free of ego.

In our case as metaphors for God our duality is the separation of left and right, male and female, life and death. They’re all symbols for the same thing, duality the balance of opposites. Our goal should be to re-unite, let the scientists paint and sing let the musicians know the mystery of 3, all people should be well versed in all things, because all things are the same. Our names for them are different.

To see God is to be able to see beyond duality, with the excitement of a child and through the eyes of a child you will see the father.
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post Dec 18, 2005, 09:59 AM
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The farther you see the father you don't !!

But you will not accept this because of your beliefs; they stop you seeing Father.
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post Dec 18, 2005, 11:32 AM
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"To see God is to be able to see beyond duality" I'm not sure about the father you see father you don't part though if you could explain it a little better I'd be happy to talk about it.

I believe in everyone looking inside themselves past duality, past ego past to really search for a way to become something more.
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post Dec 18, 2005, 01:37 PM
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If you state an opinion say so - don't claim unproven facts.

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post Dec 19, 2005, 01:13 PM
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I wish I could see the post removed by Rhymer. It must have been quite an opinion to cause such a reaction. Here's my opinion, which is also provable (eventually):

God is a set of ideas constructed by people. Each person's idea of God is unique. Some of these ideas get written down and promulgated as religion. As an idea, God has no existence in the ontological sense, just as no idea "exists." The ideas (in the Platonic sense) are all constructed by human minds and sometimes recorded in books or on computer disks. When we read about an idea, we reconstruct it in our own mind. This philosophy, that ideas don't have existence, is sometimes called materialism.
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post Dec 19, 2005, 01:21 PM
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I wish I could see the post removed by Rhymer.

me too!
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post Dec 19, 2005, 02:03 PM
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They say "out of sight - out of mind".

I guess it's not true!!

The post I deleted was simply an expansion of the 05.59 posting by 'unknown', which clearly indicated that there were no typo's viz., "The more you learn about reality the less the probability that you will discover or believe in God".

[these are my words. They merely restate "The farther you see the father you don't !!"]

What followed was a grossly insulting statement [IMHO] about those who have beliefs [but wasn't an insult to unknown, who also a believer in own opinions].

If 'unknown' wishes to post a repeat I cannot stop him/her/it.

The post was up for an hour before I spotted it, and I do not delete lightly!
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post Dec 20, 2005, 01:53 PM
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Would you be equally likely to delete posts insulting those who disbelieve? Not that I think I need protection or anything. Maybe beleivers are just easier to insult? I hope you don't take this the wrong way.
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post Dec 20, 2005, 05:00 PM
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I welcome all input regardless of opinion as what I present is my own opinion, I feel some of it could be of use to some of you so I post it, I've had worse comments from people and since I generally talk about things people build entire realities from and ask them to question it I get a few adverse reactions.

Rick as you so aptly put the search for a God is to rid yourself of personal constructs, very aptly put sir I commend you.

For God to be God it has to be in control of all darkness and all light, the very balance of the energy of creation. It's not a person, it's not a force. It's a central point. We use words to describe states which allow us to open ourselves to more than we would normally. This is the original mechanism behind prayer and meditation, and it is also the reason our society which is based so much in church rule is in opposition to drugs and sexual freedom.

From these states we experience different emotions and explore them but after a while you come to a point where you realize that they are all the same energy. Every emotion is the same energy as love we just name it different things so it brings out an appropriate reaction to the situation. That’s what being balanced is all about, it's not the life long quest people would have you to believe it's a very simple understanding which instantly allows you the 3rd party perspective in all situations.

To keep people believing they are just normal people they need to be focused into one mindset, to them that is all that exists and all outside of it is ridiculous. Drugs, self exploration, sex, art music the "devils" of our society are actually the methods we use to explore ourselves and what we really are. They don't want people to see the benefits of one mindset over another, to them there's simply the right way. This is basically a form of hypnosis because at some point in your development you take everything you’re told as fact, this later manifests into who you become, or individuality. We're all the same consciousness, all the same light as we've been told so so many times before everything we see as different is of our making, our impressions of it, and it’s not reality because it’s subjective..

God is you free of all delusions, nothing more, I'm just trying to show him in his many names.
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QUOTE (Besus @ Dec 20, 05:00 PM)
Drugs, self exploration, sex, art music the "devils" of our society are actually the methods we use to explore ourselves and what we really are.

the great thing about life is that nothing is forbidden. I see too many programmed into daily routines and inhibited by societal constraints, and unaware of the unbounded freedom before them. If only they knew...
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QUOTE (Besus @ Dec 20, 05:00 PM)
they are all the same energy. Every emotion is the same energy as love

Where was love when our solar system was forming? Or on earth before man-kind existence? What is love, any way? is it a force? and if so, how powerful? Is it the ultimate energy? and, how do we tap it?
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post Dec 21, 2005, 10:18 AM
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Regardless of the "emotion" we're having the actual energy is the same, only the intensity brought out by a situation causes it to become warped into hatred, love, happiness and so on.

We can't help but tap it, we tap it all the time it's everything we feel, it's everything that inspires us everything that defines us.
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QUOTE (Besus @ Dec 21, 10:18 AM)
We can't help but tap it, we tap it all the time it's everything we feel, it's everything that inspires us everything that defines us.

Nice. But, if we are already doing this (tapping this energy), why are we getting nowhere-as a race. We are heading for disaster right now: self-destruction. What real answers to today's real problems does this energy offer? I really want to know all that there is to know about love as this alleged (alternative?) energy of unlimited potential.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 19, 01:13 PM)
God is a set of ideas constructed by people. Each person's idea of God is unique. Some of these ideas get written down and promulgated as religion. As an idea, God has no existence in the ontological sense, just as no idea "exists." The ideas (in the Platonic sense) are all constructed by human minds and sometimes recorded in books or on computer disks. When we read about an idea, we reconstruct it in our own mind. This philosophy, that ideas don't have existence, is sometimes called materialism.

Ehe, you know Rick, hmmm, you know eeeee. I dare to think and say that you are not quite correct.

Here is a nice quote from a speech of one interesting person you so much do “like” to ‘quote’ smile.gif

"God is not dead, nor does he sleep. The wrong shall fail, the right prevail, with peace on Earth, good-will to men." From the US President George W. Bush speech on 19 December 2005.

That old carol he quoted possibly may contain some sense.

Materialism is a wrong category, which misleads. It may turn so that new knowledge acquired during meticulous scientific research and analysis may turn entire metaphysics into normal physics. Your statements sound too dogmatic. From the other side it is worth to consider weather mankind is ready for such knowledge. Aristotle by the introduction of the false categories “water”, “earth”, “air”, “fire” seriously slowed the progress of mankind mixing the keys of the all data basis. In contrary Robert Boyle cracked Aristotle’s hackerism and introduced new categories and new keys for the databases “solid state” “liquid state” “gaseous state” … as he choused the right keys of the nature which were obvious (from the very begining wink.gif ) the world changed forever. In the same way, in my humble opinion such false categories of thinking as “idealism” and “materialism” are of the same kind and have had more dramatic effect than (as) Aristotelian “errors”. On the other side to read the alchemical categories properly one needs to have the conversion table of the 'false' words: stone, gold, fire, man, woman etc. I think that unfortunately mankind is not ready to see what really stands behind that table, yet. But some people in Europe, for reasons which are still a mystery for me are planing to change everything. Unfortunately half knowledge sometimes are much dangerous than their absence.


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Dear Shawn, My control panel functions very badly, all the links do not work, they show blank lists even those which worked before. You promised to correct that. Do a favor to Enki please, spend couple of minutes on poor spirit from faraway country. I cannot even monitor the topics I have posted before and respond to the comments properly. That is why I am not so frequent. Technical problems? Other? If other I will correct that myself.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 01:41 PM
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Unknown you can't speak for everyone as a race, the only person you can change is yourself and hope that other people follow your lead. I know plenty of people who feel the way I do any each of them does their best to do whatever they can do help.

People believe that what they do doesn't matter, but every genuine change you make for the better will being more good to your life. You get out what you put in.

If your interested in learning more try looking at psychology and NLP to give you an understanding of how we create reality. Read books on Indian and Chineese Spirituality to see the name of the energy in different forms and how it can be used.

Emotions are like a gun they all fire the same bullet but it's the reason we pull the trigger that defines us.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 01:48 PM
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It's amusing that a quote from the idiot-in-chief is offered to support a contention that I am incorrect in believing that ideas are not in an ontologically valid category.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 21, 01:48 PM)
It's amusing that a quote from the idiot-in-chief is offered to support a contention that I am incorrect in believing that ideas are not in an ontologically valid category.

smile.gif I will put your words in my diary Rick.
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Dear Shawn, My control panel functions very badly, all the links do not work, they show blank lists even those which worked before. You promised to correct that. Do a favor to Enki please, spend couple of minutes on poor spirit from faraway country. I cannot even monitor the topics I have posted before and respond to the comments properly. That is why I am not so frequent. Technical problems? Other? If other I will correct that myself.

Since I started hosting BrainMeta on local servers, I have not set up the mail server, which is why you do not receive email updates to topics you're subscribed to. Let me see what I can do this Xmas break with fixing some of the forum issues.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 02:00 PM
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I agree Rick that many ideas about the God "are not in an ontologically valid category"
If they get corrected all will change! Everything will change...
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post Dec 21, 2005, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (Shawn @ Dec 21, 01:55 PM)
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Dear Shawn, My control panel functions very badly, all the links do not work, they show blank lists even those which worked before. You promised to correct that. Do a favor to Enki please, spend couple of minutes on poor spirit from faraway country.  I cannot even monitor the topics I have posted before and respond to the comments properly. That is why I am not so frequent. Technical problems? Other? If other I will correct that myself.

Since I started hosting BrainMeta on local servers, I have not set up the mail server, which is why you do not receive email updates to topics you're subscribed to. Let me see what I can do this Xmas break with fixing some of the forum issues.

Thank you a lot Shawn. Many thanks indeed.
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QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 21, 01:34 PM)
But some people in Europe are planing to change everything. Unfortunately half knowledge sometimes are much dangerous than their absence.



Elaborate on this, please, Enki
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post Dec 21, 2005, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 21, 03:00 PM)
I agree Rick that many ideas about the God "are not in an ontologically valid category" If they get corrected all will change! Everything will change...

I think you are missing the philosophical point. In the philosophy "idealism," ideas are thought to have independent existence. This is very easy to disprove. As a consequence, no ideas have independent existence.

Take for example the idea of the Pythagorean theorem. This theorem is proven true, but every schoolboy who learns it has to reconstruct it for himself in his own mind or he doesn't understand it. One can't just tap into some mysterious reservoir of existing ideas. Quoting your source, "it's hard work." Everyone who learns or understands the theorem of Pythagoras must construct it anew.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 02:10 PM
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"In the same way, in my humble opinion such false categories of thinking as “idealism” and “materialism” are of the same kind and have had more dramatic effect than (as) Aristotelian “errors”."

I'm not sure any one person has the right to class beliefs as false even to themselves, once you accept something as false your instantly biased to any reality that include those philosophies. As for some people in Europe, I've seen evidence from around the internet that many people in Europe, America, South America, Canada, Australia, China Japan are determined to change things, because as hard as it may seem some of us don't want to have to live other peoples wars, other peoples ideas of true and false, other peoples bias's. No one needs to be ready to try to make a better world, or try to live a better life. Simply by letting go of what separates us we'll see what unites us and from there true knowledge can grow.

People are people, for the moment we have too many classes of people to even begin addressing but fundamentally everyone is looking for the same thing. Everyone wants simply to understand the reason for it all. I don't think it matters if one chooses to pursue this through God, Science, man or beast; the external representation doesn't matter because when you understand the pieces finally fit inside, and your picture comes together.

I love and support everyone’s point of view because I don't see them as being in conflict with my own; I see them as explaining what I believe in the way that they believe in most. I'm an advocate of people setting their own limits and not believing so freely what they've been told.

We've known cigarettes could kill for decades yet we still buy them, we know most pharmaceuticals we take work by destroying the disease hopefully before they kill us.

We put our faith in exclusive methods and as a result change takes more time and causes more conflict.

For change to happen two sides have to face of and face off until one of them has been subdued, we need a society where we realize that we are all working towards a common goal, and start laying a framework for a world without borders. Nationalism is another form of bigotry, no one country is better than the other, nor is any one person better than another.

I hope I haven't come across as argumentative but I see allot of wasted potential on people fighting over a name for something we don't really know yet, I guarantee if all of the people in this forum got together dropped all preconceptions and really tried to figure it out we could make more progress than Science has in years if only in understanding, all of you have such beautiful light in you, all of you hold one piece of the puzzle together we all hold the key.
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post Dec 21, 2005, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 21, 02:09 PM)
QUOTE (Enki @ Dec 21, 03:00 PM)
I agree Rick that many ideas about the God "are not in an ontologically valid category" If they get corrected all will change! Everything will change...

I think you are missing the philosophical point. In the philosophy "idealism," ideas are thought to have independent existence. This is very easy to disprove. As a consequence, no ideas have independent existence.

Take for example the idea of the Pythagorean theorem. This theorem is proven true, but every schoolboy who learns it has to reconstruct it for himself in his own mind or he doesn't understand it. One can't just tap into some mysterious reservoir of existing ideas. Quoting your source, "it's hard work." Everyone who learns or understands the theorem of Pythagoras must construct it anew.

Philosophical categories are a matter of change, philosophy is needed to improve our perception of the reality. There are many categories in philosophy which have been discarded as they were leading people astray. Sir Francis Bacon crushed Aristotelian approach, and the Plutonian, I think, must be corrected as well.
Besides I strongly disagree with such approach to the problem. As far as you know Descartes was speaking about inborn ideas. Definitely, if to percept what he said directly, then on the first sight his idea can be considered as quite wrong. But let us look at that from other point of view. Let us look at the problem from Cybernetic Point of View and use Percolation as a key concept to trace ideas percolation. Definitely Descartes have noted some phenomenon, some very specific phenomenon which he ventured to explain via concept of Inborn Ideas as he could not explain what he noted otherwise.
Idea can percolated in quite many ways.
If you remember, here I introduced an idea related with the Words Matrixes.
The percolation process may, e.g. pass in the following way: something gets into brain, then it grows, then the Cluster can Tune something. When the tuning is established or slowly functions the percolation processes.
We cannot argue over that. It must be studies in laboratory. It is not a philosophic object of discussions it is an object of scientific discussion. I am not saying that it is so. I just say that the Dogmatic approach may damage free thinking. I think I brought an excellent example related with Aristotle. Who knows understands.
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I agree about the evil of dogmatism. My philosophy, while considering those who went before, contains many original elements. For more on my approach, see

http://teamster.usc.edu/~fixture/Robotics/...ophy/philo.html
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QUOTE (Besus @ Dec 21, 02:10 PM)
"In the same way, in my humble opinion such false categories of thinking as “idealism” and “materialism” are of the same kind and have had more dramatic effect than (as) Aristotelian “errors”."

I'm not sure any one person has the right to class beliefs as false even to themselves, once you accept something as false your instantly biased to any reality that include those philosophies. As for some people in Europe, I've seen evidence from around the internet that many people in Europe, America, South America, Canada, Australia, China Japan are determined to change things, because as hard as it may seem some of us don't want to have to live other peoples wars, other peoples ideas of true and false, other peoples bias's. No one needs to be ready to try to make a better world, or try to live a better life. Simply by letting go of what separates us we'll see what unites us and from there
true knowledge can grow.

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I hope I haven't come across as argumentative but I see allot of wasted potential on people fighting over a name for something we don't really know yet, I guarantee if all of the people in this forum got together dropped all preconceptions and really tried to figure it out we could make more progress than Science has in years if only in understanding, all of you have such beautiful light in you, all of you hold one piece of the puzzle together we all hold the key.

For me the following is clear:

1) It is extremely dangerous to play with the Categories. Those who change them (or play with them) via systematic chain of interrelated movies, books etc do not understand that the outcome may be quite different than the one they do expect. E.g. the usage of word "Abracadabra" in the context it is used in the Harry Potter 4 may cause VERY serious problems...
2) The concept of God is not simple, it cannot be simplifies. I think the very word “God” must be positioned itself. A set of words should be created to position the very word God.
3) People who use simplified categories of thinking loose the Freedom of Will and become slaves of those categories. Sometimes those categories can be intentionally invented. The consequences can be extremely dramatic: Communism, Nazism, the Terrorism.

You think why the Catholic church was so vehemently straggling against heresy in the Middle Ages? There were people who knew the real power of the Words. Now those dark days are off. Thanks to God. smile.gif But there is another problem: Words , Phrases' Garbage, too many people, too many nations that accumulate Words Garbage and spread them all around the world. The percolations which were impossible centuries and thousand years ago may happen Randomly. I think that that is very dangerous.

If to joke, I may say that such Random Noise may rise the Titans…
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 21, 02:31 PM)
I agree about the evil of dogmatism. My philosophy, while considering those who went before, contains many original elements. For more on my approach, see

http://teamster.usc.edu/~fixture/Robotics/...ophy/philo.html

Thank you for the link, I will read it carefully and will write back with comments.
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Be sure to read all the linked footnotes. Some of the best stuff is in them.
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QUOTE (Rick @ Dec 21, 02:56 PM)
Be sure to read all the linked footnotes. Some of the best stuff is in them.


I was fearing that I cannot get to the reference but that works. I will read all of them. Very interesting. It is night here. I will read all during the comming days. Thank you again for the link.
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I agree with you completely Enki, the world has seen to many problems from those seeking power, which is why as a people we need to start building the framework for a world where it's no longer required, a world where the truth has been refined to the point any man woman or child can understand it.

Our problems stem from a lack of understanding of ourselves in relation to nature, most peoples ignorance of true mathematics, symbolism and metaphor, the way to treat the problem is not to suppress the content but to find a way to translate it so that other people may find the path to understanding for themselves.

The suppression of knowledge will only ignite the fire even more within those who seek, and nothing can remain hidden forever and the only thing suppression will do is lend more credence to the illusion of power. It is man's responsibility to ensure everyone has access not only to the information but the correct framework in which it is used so they can be free to draw their own conclusions. An example of this would be the Vatican Library holding documentation back which would lead to a better understanding of our beliefs origins.

"People who use simplified categories of thinking loose the Freedom of Will and become slaves of those categories." there have also been those who have tried to use it for great good, try Jesus, Gandhi, Einstein, and the mighty Homer Simpson.

Simplicity is the best way to introduce an idea to people, because once they are aware of it and are interested in it they will educate themselves, or follow the metaphorical path.

Understanding cannot be gauged in terms of garbage or noise because it forms a part of understanding for another person, for another set of circumstances that we haven't experienced; another life we will never know and I always try to look past that.

The words people use like in magick are of no value what so ever, their value is the vibrations they raise and the associations they have to the person, because someone thinks a car is called a transmobulator doesn't mean I can't teach them to drive. All it means is I have the chance to learn how this person, this unique point of view interprets the world. The challenge is mine to understand, so that I better myself as a person, so that I see the world from one more point of view.

The Catholic church was ruthless with heresy for a number of reasons, the first being to eliminate traces of mans true origins so they could control people. They wanted people to see them as the only way to salvation because then they could impose any ideals on them they wished.

Through a heavily edited version of the “Bible” the word of God was tailor made to fit man’s agenda, justified to fit his limitations and perpetuated initially through terror. Over generations we began to accept these beliefs as our own, and perpetuate them this time of our own free will.
So we live under these ideals for a few thousand years, and they’ve become so ingrained in us that we define ourselves by its ideals, the ideals we see everywhere reflected to some degree by everyone. Our reality has become so dependant on these ideals that people will actually kill other people to defend them, and I’m sorry if I’m the only person this seems ridiculous to.


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