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post Jan 18, 2010, 05:56 AM
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Arguments for the Singularity of Future:

Think of the fact that we have been given the right type of reasons to believe how exactly the universe started off from a singularity of existence some 13.7 billion years ago. Physicists argue that the proportionately greater speed of the more distant galaxies implies that all of them were part and parcel of one Big Bang at one definite moment. Well, this kind of reasoning is valid not only to quantify our past; it can in fact be extended to visualize and shape our destiny, the omega-point towards which the future is to be steered. The evidence of all that has happened till now forcefully invites us to comprehend the most desirable and most reasonable end-point of our existence and to march towards it through the power of perception alone. The vision I hope to present here might sound too grand to be true; but that's for those who haven't assessed the mesmerizing display strewn all around, blessed as we are with tiny little heads.

Evolution is not merely one of ever-increasing expansion with time; it’s at once a mind-boggling acceleration in the quality of existence; to be more exact in the power and maneuverability of individual beings. As the initial heat of Big Bang subsided, matter in some part of the universe got into greater complexity and value, into steadily rising skills in the form of unicellular organisms, plants and animals. In the latest chapter of this unending story, the highly evolved species acquired stunning levels of information, power and culture, the growth of which is getting faster and deeper by the moment.

This non-stop acceleration implies that it is bound for a climax at one point or the other. The quality of life, experienced by the most evolved individuals, is destined towards a summit. It shouldn’t be overly difficult for us to imagine what possibly could be this highest mode of existence. In other words, the most productive art of existence. Basically it ought to be something the individual understands and accepts as the threshold of unlimited power and the very thought of it should necessarily offer her the highest fulfillment and satisfaction. Such a model of perfection is not something that can be given from outside. Technological benefits can hardly measure up to this, for they have very little to do with personal maturity. In summary, the evolution of human psyche is bound to be towards a point it identifies as its own peak and willingly works towards it on its internal strength.

Intelligence, which is already the largest driving force of evolution, will conceive this natural end-point more and more accurately and would ardently create it with its own fool-proof blue-print. The consummation we are talking of is not a single moment as that of big bang. Nor does it imply there will be no more growth to achieve. Rather, it stands for the greatest power conceived, aimed and attained by the individual herself.


Observing the kind of growth that has happened until now, it’s obvious that intelligence has moved into the driver seat in increasing proportions in the evolutionary march towards perfection. Mathematical laws of physical and chemical forces gave way to variation, adaptation and above all freedom that surpasses any form of calculation or determination. Intelligence grew by leaps and bounds in largely silent and inconspicuous manners at the very heart of these natural processes. A panoramic view from the beginning to the end easily suggests that the entire story is a passage from rigidity to creativity, from blind inter-action of forces to an enlightened individual achievement. Mechanical forces and natural dynamics of growth have been side-lined significantly by the non-stop pace, the ever-increasing maneuverability and the ultimate supremacy of intelligence. Projecting this growth still further one can easily foresee that the next level can only be a full blown war and pure initiative of the mind, an effort that depends less and less on external tools, conditions or forces. Consciousness that evolved as a product of physical and biological conditions will learn to challenge and upgrade these natural factors by mere conviction and creativity.

Given the current rate of growth, the way we understand the world is expected to attain a level of certainty that may be characterized as fullness; and the power we can draw out of such holistic knowledge will have no limiting quality. The day is not far when we will have the most conclusive answers regarding the nature of the universe and that of our consciousness. Our growing awareness of the gratuitousness of Nature will translate into a hardened determination that will precisely unlock its unlimited riches. The individual will be increasingly adept at pushing each situation to its highest potential possible. Such a holistic and assertive knowledge is what is lacking at present.

The process essentially has two components; it’s not to be painted as a one way path to glory. The summit can in fact be symbolized as a perfect embrace between the world and the individual, a love affair in which the two are engaged in a game of hide and seek. With Nature reticent on its unending treasures, as it normally is, the individual will acquire the technique of extracting them – a technique that will be known as relentless creativity born of knowledge. What began in a singularity of existence is poised to move towards a singularity of perfection.


A new level of maneuverability will come about only through further specification of the mind. As a generic law of evolution, any higher order of existence is always in and through the previous optimum level attained. It simply can’t shoot from any lower gear. Consider the fact that one can describe the new reality purely in terms of the previous mechanism reached. Determinate matter is built of indeterminate particles. A living cell is a complex formation of molecules. Instinctual knowledge is a significant product of physiological features. And intelligence is an outcome of the fullest and deepest experience of sense knowledge.

Keeping with this trend, the next level of energy ought to be something that directly evolves out of reasoning skills – a sharply enhanced awareness and a well-integrated perception. No way could it occur outside the most active center of human consciousness that is attributed to the final limb of brain, the pre-frontal lobe.

Let’s then continue to reason out in the context of the accelerating pace of growth, for that’s the only way of arriving at definitive conclusions one essentially requires. For an intelligent observer, whatever the universe has achieved till date through its mathematical wonders, physical constants, biological variations and finally the march of intellect is an implicit statement that Nature is willing to offer incessantly more. How much more? Well, the question ought to have no limiting answer at one particular stage or the other.

The individual will recognize her unquenchable thirst to reach out to the very end as an implanted seed of evolution. She would also project the gratuitousness of Nature, manifested in all its physical and biological laws to its logical ends. The billion dollar question that she would repeatedly pose is this: If nature has secured all this gratuitously and has worked towards making me a mature and responsible daughter, why it wouldn’t provide all that I legitimately aspire as well? Is not this the most desired end-point indicated by the ever-accelerating growth seen all around? Added to this the already existing evidence that hope and positive emotions go a long way in improving physiological conditions will not only enhance her faith in the ultimate designs of Nature; it would literally compel the individual to look for additional ways of hardening such attitudes and gaining greater positive impact in her immediate life situation. In this context, it would increasingly appear to her that Nature has done its part very well and it is up to her to take it forward from where it has left. If she interprets the multitude of signs rightly, picks up the message that Nature hides its limitless power to give what she wills, she would necessarily arrive at the conclusion that what’s precisely lacking is her own determination of this knowledge. She will start working at it, which in turn will modify her psychology and the immediate environment before her. If she continues to wait for a mathematical or an analytical proof for something that needs to be concluded through piecing all information together, she is the loser and she pretty well is convinced of it.

She has a sound knowledge of how the brains have been shaped through repetitive significant impressions of the past and would begin to bombard herself with the multitude of reasons as to why Nature ought to give her the highest she aspires for. She will continue to do this until it becomes natural for her to believe in the benevolence called the Universe. She knows how a sick mind may be corrected through repetitive assessment of reality in the place of the imagined fear and she wonders why intellectually satisfying new convictions can’t be formed after the same manner. The methodology of re-energizing the mind through endless focusing on physical sensation such as breathing, a bit of sound or music, practiced through various forms of meditation, will also serve as the initial data that point towards much greater possibilities.

The major trends and evidence would force her into the final conclusion that Nature which has sustained so many laws of growth with no strings attached to them will also have in store unlimited powers free of charge for an individual who develops a certitude towards it. That this alone can be the ultimate phase of growth wherein the mutuality of the universe and the individual attain their true potential. That it can qualify for a strict scientific law, since free gifts of nature are earned only through hardened determination, the final evolution of the pre-frontal lobe. A fully grown intelligence that not only perceives the inevitability of the mind-blowing progress achieved through physical cause and effect, variation and natural selection, intelligence and technological advancement will necessarily find enlightened faith and instant reward as the compelling final stage of growth.

The universe can only offer her clues and suggestions of the highest glory and she knows that the job of perceiving and rising to new energy levels can’t be left to any agency outside. There’s no god out there to fill her with blessings that she doesn’t ardently work for. Evidently it is she who needs to raise her consciousness and she decides to dedicate as many moments as possible for this well-calculated exercise. It is up to her to reason out the necessity of the emerging new world and she gains the skill of wishing and aspiring for the very best in any given situation, and she knows that a mega guarantor is hidden everywhere. When no one believes and aspires for, the higher potentials than what we have seen until now will never come into existence.

This may be depicted through a little story. A prominent King under British India decided to send his only son, Vadivelan, to a common school in the capital. But the bold attempt backfired and there was lot for the ruler to learn from the incident. The boy returned to the Palace too frightened to go to school for another day.
“Kumaran has a more colorful pencil than mine” said the Prince. “He brags that his father always buys the best for him in the world. He even ridicules me for coming to school when I am too poor to buy a pencil like his. In his view I am suitable for chasing goats”

The King was flabbergasted at the turn of events. However he didn’t want to give up his excellent idea for a silly event such as this.
“But you know that you are the prince of Mysore”, said the King. “You can go with Diwan this evening and purchase whatever pencil you desire.”
“What happens if Kumaran finds me on the way. He would mock me again for he knows nothing about Diwan or the rich Palace here”.
“All right then. I will order all the pencils to be brought here and you could choose the most appealing one”, said the King.
Vadivelan was still not convinced. He wasn’t sure that Kumaran would necessarily accept the new pencil since he had heard him saying his father always purchases the best for him. The child was so hurt, he bluntly refused to go to school again and the King started to look for a counselor rather than a teacher.

A positively oriented human being will instantly pick up the right type of reasons that tell her why she ought to win. When evolution itself suggests that there are greater things to look for and the final stage of growth is by all indications not in the modification of objects as that of the mind, will she hesitate to give it a sincere try? True that only he who has experienced how a despairing mind can be turned into a believing one merely through undeterred initiative and reasoning power can invite others saying that there is a scientific methodology inherent here; that there is a long winding road to determination the growth of which is perceptible only when the journey is undertaken perseveringly. This is how a Guru is essential to a disciple even as a therapist is to a patient. A believer merely requires certain amount of clue to give it a sincere try and the beauty of reasoning becomes evident as she progresses on the way. Time will easily correct Kumaran’s perception that his father can’t always purchase the best product in the world; but a prince who finds it difficult to believe in himself will rarely go on to make a successful King.

Psychic energy is definitely superior to the technological one. It is a pure form of energy that makes growth towards perfect reward possible and meaningful. The way of attaining one simple benefit must also ensure that all kinds of benefits are possible in this final and glorious methodology and that it does not drive a wedge between the self, the cosmos and the community. Whenever an individual hits a dead end and finds that natural and technological aid will be of no benefit, it is perfectly legitimate for her to believe in the unlimited riches of the Universe and it will be granted to her through her own hardened perception. This is the ultimate phase of growth. And herein lies the perfect embrace: reaching determination through reasoning power is entirely the work of the individual but the energy attained is out and out gratuitous. The individual acknowledges that the glory belongs entirely to the universe and the universe keeps mum without moving an inch until the individual appropriates it through her own sincere efforts. In this final drama the individual and the whole are honored simultaneously and one does not over-shadow the other.


Once the final law is identified, the mind simply needs to focus on it repeatedly even as a yogi would focus on the breathing sensation or a rhythmic sound. The methodology is fundamentally the same. The more one dwells on the multiple nuances of the ultimate law and the more one recognizes how it ought to be true, both the body and the external conditions start changing as per the mental determination.


Every failure to get the ultimate power one desires is an indication that his vision and determination hasn't grown deep enough. It merely points to the fact that I need to shape my vision of the ultimate stronger and clearer. And whenever the demands of life compel me to act in a manner directly opposite to what I believe in, I need to equally embrace the present with all its limitations. The next possible moment however I would certainly assert that none of this indeed ought to be accepted for the ultimate power to change all of them is immediately available here and now.

What is discussed here is nothing new. Every player needs to go after his goal, while still reckoning with the current reality. He might in fact be losing against the opponent right now; but he still carries on as long as there’s the slightest possibility of hope. Just in case he fails to believe in himself, his fight gets vanished and he’s unworthy to hang on to the field. If this is a normal practice even in a game, how much more one can trip back and forth to the ultimate ideal and the current reality, till one progressively moves towards the summit. Slowly but surely. Millions of lives can be wasted in pursuit of the final goal, for it’s just worth it. The only preparation one needs to have gone through is to simply hold in mind that we are capable of turning our attention to any aspect of reality that we opt for. The present and the future can equally be embraced by us in the very manner of our focusing each moment and through this process the future believed in will turn out to be the present.

One ought to keep both the ideal and the actual as the two eyes she possesses and should learn to hide one and open the other as if engaged in a perpetual new game till progress towards the goal is understood and evaluated. Many years of concentration might result in but a small measure of growth and yet it’s the only way to reach the ultimate power; this is what we are finally made for.


The challenge hereafter is to switch on to the mode of believing in the ultimate benevolence, create and aspire for perfect conditions at every possible instance and get back to the mode of acceptance demanded by reality at the very next instance itself. A training to accept these two sharply contradicting worlds back and forth till the desired world is created through sheer determination will be the most sought after art-form. This is the kind of maneuverability the individual needs to scale up and she knows it’s absolutely necessary for her to live in these two sharply contradicting worlds for many more years to come.

She is not one to be dictated by results. The hard yielding reality wouldn't detract her from her efforts; but her reasoning power would always remain the starting point to keep targeting the hard yielding reality in front of her. Her understanding of the emerging new world is so deep in her, she wouldn’t be cowed down by the cruelty of the existing world to give up for ever her bounden duty of creating and hoping towards the summit point.



She will come up with the right methodology to translate reasonings into conviction and will start working on it unceasingly. A battle of mind that automatically brings about changes in her body, her physical and social environment. In due course, she will nod time and again that her deep-most aspiration to gain the maximum does in fact match with the freely available power of Nature. She will begin to understand that this hidden possibility had patiently waited all along for the right perception from her part.



Could any one think of the inexhaustible wonders of nature as one great existential accident? Would it still be common sense to conclude that there’s nothing beyond what meets the eye? Will natural science ever be able to prove that all of it unfolds just from nothingness? Or that it is bound for nothingness? Is nothingness provable at all? Why is it that a scientist never manages to get to the foundations of existence? Can all that has evolved be reduced to the properties of quarks? And finally, will an intelligent growth story come about with no basis of intelligence whatever?

Her conviction regarding the design and intent of Nature and her ability to interpret the growth story will urge her to make up her mind on the ultimate point to be achieved. She knows that Nature will deliver anything she legitimately craves for and that it is entirely left to her to harvest this possibility by focusing on this truth day in and day out. It will increasingly appear to her that a just and creative mind ought to have its way to the very end.
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post Jan 18, 2010, 07:28 AM
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Shot-gun!... And welcome to the BrainMeta community! BTW, when is lift-off scheduled for? I need time to prepare my loved ones, you know!
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post Jan 18, 2010, 01:43 PM
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I like the optimism and the way it ends with a bunch of questions.
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I like the optimism and the way it ends with a bunch of questions.

Those are meant for you to answer. Give it a shot!
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very nice read
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 18, 2010, 02:01 PM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 18, 2010, 01:43 PM) *

I like the optimism and the way it ends with a bunch of questions.

Those are meant for you to answer. Give it a shot!


1. Could any one think of the inexhaustible wonders of nature as one great existential accident? I think it's meant to be a rhetorical question. But yes, some do, I suppose.

2. Would it still be common sense to conclude that there’s nothing beyond what meets the eye? Another rhetorical question.

3. Will natural science ever be able to prove that all of it unfolds just from nothingness? Probably not.

4. Or that it is bound for nothingness? Conventional theory is that the universe is ultimately bound for heat death. But that's a long time away, and things can happen.

5. Is nothingness provable at all? Not likely.

6. Why is it that a scientist never manages to get to the foundations of existence? Some are working on it!

7. Can all that has evolved be reduced to the properties of quarks? Probably not. There are hard limits to computability.

8. And finally, will an intelligent growth story come about with no basis of intelligence whatever? Again, unlikely.

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There will be no consciousness singularity until there is world wide equality across all planes of signification! Otherwise.... how could there truly be a singularity of conscious thought and direction (which I do believe would be the next challenge to face humanity upon achievement of CS)
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post Jan 19, 2010, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 18, 2010, 07:28 AM) *

Shot-gun!... And welcome to the BrainMeta community! BTW, when is lift-off scheduled for? I need time to prepare my loved ones, you know!


Sorry for the trouble; I know it's not edited properly. Quite a few thoughts are repeated. I have just uploaded from my personal write up.
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post Jan 19, 2010, 05:35 AM
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There will be no consciousness singularity until there is world wide equality across all planes of signification! Otherwise.... how could there truly be a singularity of conscious thought and direction (which I do believe would be the next challenge to face humanity upon achievement of CS)


Thoughts are meant to be wide and varied; Consciousness is expected to reach out to all and sundry. There's no way there can be singularity here.

Nor will singularity happen just on its own. As rightly pointed out, the inequalities across the planet roar against any such possibility.

But the most desired and yet the most reasonable goal might just be one for all of humanity; And it might again be that a few individuals get hold of the vision; make it happen and all others rush in to share in the glory.
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QUOTE(Anthu @ Jan 19, 2010, 05:13 AM) *

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Shot-gun!... And welcome to the BrainMeta community! BTW, when is lift-off scheduled for? I need time to prepare my loved ones, you know!


Sorry for the trouble; I know it's not edited properly. Quite a few thoughts are repeated. I have just uploaded from my personal write up.

What trouble! You might have misinterpeted my words. I meant that was excited about your vision, which I totally and wholeheartedly embrace. Any way, how did you come to these conclusions? Life-long search, serendipity...?
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 18, 2010, 02:24 PM) *

3. Will natural science ever be able to prove that all of it unfolds just from nothingness? Probably not.

Will man ever be able to, then?
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 19, 2010, 06:21 AM) *

QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 18, 2010, 02:24 PM) *

3. Will natural science ever be able to prove that all of it unfolds just from nothingness? Probably not.

Will man ever be able to, then?

I think the point is that it doesn't. There has always been something.

"The truth is easier to prove." --Socrates
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[/quote]
What trouble! You might have misinterpeted my words. I meant that was excited about your vision, which I totally and wholeheartedly embrace. Any way, how did you come to these conclusions? Life-long search, serendipity...?
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I have bouts of slow-headedness and sparkles of brilliance as well. By my own acts of experiments that started way back in the eighties, I earned a long-term acidity condition, which I have largely handled through my meditations and yet haven't got through fully.

Now I have read your first comments in a totally different light. It's also true that the long article needs to be edited heavily.

These are not serendipitous conclusions. My search had led me into deliberate, serious efforts, which may be classified as painstaking strivings of silence and loneliness.

Absolutely excited to read your words of wholehearted embrace. It was precisely your eagerness to prepare the loved ones that had got me to misinterpret.
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[quote name='Rick' date='Jan 19, 2010, 08:43 AM' post='106535']
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I think the point is that it doesn't. There has always been something.

"The truth is easier to prove." --Socrates
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Disinterested spectator can afford to say this is how things are; Nothing more nothing less. But one who perceives the growth story and feels the urge to consummate the overwhelming pattern would definitely want to believe a lot more.
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QUOTE(Anthu @ Jan 19, 2010, 09:08 AM) *

It's also true that the long article needs to be edited heavily.

Not unless you're some kind of pathological perfectionist. It's almost perfect in form and content.
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Absolutely excited to read your words of wholehearted embrace

You've come to the right place to post your essay, for which I thank you. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's enjoyed the read.
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But the most desired and yet the most reasonable goal might just be one for all of humanity; And it might again be that a few individuals get hold of the vision; make it happen and all others rush in to share in the glory.


partner.... that's already been happening!
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But the most desired and yet the most reasonable goal might just be one for all of humanity; And it might again be that a few individuals get hold of the vision; make it happen and all others rush in to share in the glory.


partner.... that's already been happening!


want to hear more of what's happening.
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QUOTE(Anthu @ Jan 19, 2010, 01:12 PM) *

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But the most desired and yet the most reasonable goal might just be one for all of humanity; And it might again be that a few individuals get hold of the vision; make it happen and all others rush in to share in the glory.


partner.... that's already been happening!


want to hear more of what's happening.

I'll bet.... try reading various threads from the past as well as some current threads that broach the topic in various ways.... as you may come to see!

Feel free to add to them!
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QUOTE(Anthu @ Jan 19, 2010, 09:08 AM) *

It's also true that the long article needs to be edited heavily.

Not unless you're some kind of pathological perfectionist. It's almost perfect in form and content.


I am a declared runner after perfection. Little bit of perfectionism is certainly expected. I have edited my piece, inviting those who have the time and the patience.
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3. Will natural science ever be able to prove that all of it unfolds just from nothingness? Probably not.

Will man ever be able to, then?

I think the point is that it doesn't. There has always been something.

Will there always be something, you think? And why?
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Just as you can't get something from nothing, you can't get nothing from something.
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 25, 2010, 02:19 PM) *

...you can't get something from nothing...

How do you explain, a poem, for instance, then? Or Bill Gate's computer conglomerate Microsoft?
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QUOTE(Rick @ Jan 25, 2010, 02:19 PM) *

Just as you can't get something from nothing, you can't get nothing from something.


If we can't get something from nothing, how something more versatile arises out of something less versatile?

Suppose the answer is it's due to the inter-action of all things, again how a more valuable whole arises out of less valuable whole?

These are important questions, for evolution precisely wants us to believe in all these.
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Just as you can't get something from nothing, you can't get nothing from something.


If we can't get something from nothing, how something more versatile arises out of something less versatile?

Suppose the answer is it's due to the inter-action of all things, again how a more valuable whole arises out of less valuable whole?

These are important questions, for evolution precisely wants us to believe in all these.

Evolution is a personality?

Nothing arises out of something less. Something more comes from the infinite to fill the need for more where less is insufficient and becomes redundant to the mind that ignores what it can't see yet. When the mind becomes less distracted it allows more to come.
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...you can't get something from nothing...

How do you explain, a poem, for instance, then? Or Bill Gate's computer conglomerate Microsoft?

The poet has a life, senses, and a brain. Capitalists feed off the energy of others.
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Nothing arises out of something less. Something more comes from the infinite to fill the need for more where less is insufficient and becomes redundant to the mind that ignores what it can't see yet.


I like the way, you've put this. Again, it can only be a generalized statement and shouldn't venture into the actual specifications of evolution. When species emerge due to their own inner mechanism and their inter-action with the immediate environment, it's impossible to point out what exactly was filled in by the 'infinite' and what was acquired by the species.
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...you can't get something from nothing...

How do you explain, a poem, for instance, then? Or Bill Gate's computer conglomerate Microsoft?

The poet has a life, senses, and a brain.

That still sounds like something out of nothing to me; unless you're drawing a non-direct cause-and-effect relationship.
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Capitalists feed off the energy of others.

This sounds a little bit like Einstein's famous formula, but at the structural level. Never heard of that before. And there's still the Big Bang to be explained.
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Never heard of that before. And there's still the Big Bang to be explained.

Living off the labor and sweat of others? Happens all the time. The story of civilization.

If we do the thought experiment where we run the movie backwards, the big bang becomes the big singularity. As we get down to the first fractions of a second, the mass-energy density is very high. By Einsteins general theory, time slows down in very strong gravitational fields, so as the density increases still more (running the movie backwards), time goes still slower, so we never get there. The universe has always existed. There has always been something. Can I have my Nobel Prize now? I really need the money.
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Nothing arises out of something less. Something more comes from the infinite to fill the need for more where less is insufficient and becomes redundant to the mind that ignores what it can't see yet.


I like the way, you've put this. Again, it can only be a generalized statement and shouldn't venture into the actual specifications of evolution.
I see. Without leading into a topic of discussion how do you present an overview?
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When species emerge due to their own inner mechanism and their inter-action with the immediate environment, it's impossible to point out what exactly was filled in by the 'infinite' and what was acquired by the species.
Nothing is impossible.
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