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post Jan 04, 2007, 12:31 AM
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lets talk about the fringe topic of UFOs and Aliens.

What does everyone think of this stuff? What can explain this. We have many HOAXers and frauds. What else though?
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post Jan 04, 2007, 12:31 AM
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Ill start, with some stuff:







4 Minute clip of "Case for Nasa UFOs" by David Sereda (Full Video is posted below, 4 minute clip shows craft in formation recorded by shuttle mission STS-80)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8536779374329988710

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Fastwalkers (New Documentary on Alien and UFO Disclosure. "Fastwalkers" is the NORAD Codeword for alien craft)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4807962636315529202

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This 2 hour video is a distillation of over 120 hours of video interviews made by Dr Greer. Dozens of highly credible military and government witnesses discuss UFO events and projects they have worked on.

Part 1:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6552475158249898710

Part 2:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4694075066240662837

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The Case for NASA UFOs: Footage from NASA STS Missions throughout the 90s. Intro by Dan Akroyd

PART I

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5070476612863849446

PART II

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301

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Paintings hundreds of years old that depict flying saucers:

http://xfacts.com/old/index.html
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post Jan 04, 2007, 05:01 AM
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I'm yet to see any satisfactory evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs. There are too many black budget projects around to account for new flying vehicles that are actual unidentified flying objects (in the publics eye).

What I do give weight to though is alien abductions. Not in a physical sense, but as an effect of a natural DMT dose given by the body. I think this accounts for all fantastical creatures throughout history and is very similar to shamanic callings. Aliens either appear as "greys" - triangular faces and huge disc eyes, or half-human and half hybrid animals. These images are archetypes of our conscious.

Angels (winged humans, flight being the symbol of the force driving us)
Aliens
Fairies/Faeries
Leprachauns
Centaurs
Minotaurs
Medusa
blah blah

IF it is a natural phenomenon of the mind, then the thing connecting them all together is the overall spirit of life. These images could be coming directly from the building blocks within DNA, and since all life as we know it is built from DNA, it would make sense that the general spirit of life could materialise in the mind as any combination of these lifeforms.

Its definately worth looking into alien abductions and shamanic experiences, particularly the experimentations supposedly done to abductees and the rebuilding of a shaman at the point of his calling. They should consider creating medical staff from these abductees.

Graham Hancock has a book called Supernatural which looks at cave art and current shamanic experiences. He also goes into abductions, hybrid babies, faeries etc. (yeah i know he's on the fringe and a storyteller rather than a scientist). It does sound extremely fantastical but after you read about artificial DMT experiences (ie getting high), you may be open more to his ideas.

Whats funny from having read some of his other stuff is he's single handedly destroyed his previous theories by his realisation that the origin of civilisation is not from an Atlantean society. Rather the outward expression we call culture may be coming directly from our biology, with a few locale differences. However he refrains from making any comparisons with his older books and that one.

So in summary:
UFOs are probably military black budget planes
Alien abductions are the same shamanic experiences as shaman have been having forever, only in a context that has no experience with them.
DMT may be the cause of all our flights of imagination, religious ecstacy and visions, or a million other cases of monsters and aliens.
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post Jan 04, 2007, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Tone @ Jan 04, 2007, 12:31 AM) *

lets talk about the fringe topic of UFOs and Aliens.

What does everyone think of this stuff? What can explain this. We have many HOAXers and frauds. What else though?


Guys I should confess: we really exist and live among you for many thousand years.

You should prepare you planet for defense as there are good Aliens and there are bad Aliens.

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Sorry for joking.
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post Jan 04, 2007, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 04, 2007, 11:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Tone @ Jan 04, 2007, 12:31 AM) *

lets talk about the fringe topic of UFOs and Aliens.

What does everyone think of this stuff? What can explain this. We have many HOAXers and frauds. What else though?


Guys I should confess: we really exist and live among you for many thousand years.

You should prepare you planet for defense as there are good Aliens and there are bad Aliens.

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Sorry for joking.

LMAO!!!!
But seriously, though. After I picked myself up off the floor from laughing so hard at Enki's jokes: I don't believe in aliens. Well, I'll take that back, I believe in ilegal aliens.
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post Jan 04, 2007, 01:23 PM
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No doubt that Extraterrestrial life exists and there is no doubt that intelligent beings visited our planet before. I strongly believe in that.
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post Jan 04, 2007, 02:57 PM
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Maybe the extraterrestrials are extratemporials? Only time will tell! laugh.gif
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post Jan 05, 2007, 03:28 AM
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There are so many stars its almost a mathematical certainty that there are other lifeforms in the Universe. Since the age of the Earth is enormous, and our species rise to consciousness very recent, its highly likely they've already been and gone!

Despite this, I still believe abductions are all in the mind, although still completely real for the people experiencing it.
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post Jan 05, 2007, 07:16 AM
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..."Sheer statistics put the odds at a billion-to-one against our current ecosystem and odds of 10(-18)against duplication of mankind"...:

http://skew.ot.com/three/random/silence.html
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post Jan 05, 2007, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 05, 2007, 03:16 PM) *
..."Sheer statistics put the odds at a billion-to-one against our current ecosystem and odds of 10(-18)against duplication of mankind"...:

http://skew.ot.com/three/random/silence.html
Cheeky!

..... Duplication, however, is not required; the supposition is that there are many paths to the same end. thereby making it possible for many completely different, but similar, ETIS to evolve without outside intervention.

http://skew.ot.com/three/random/silence.html
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post Jan 05, 2007, 01:02 PM
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Enter Google earth, zoom on Greenland and you will note two huge squares (pyramids) one near another under the snow. It tells much. wink.gif
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post Jan 05, 2007, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 05, 2007, 01:02 PM) *

Enter Google earth, zoom on Greenland and you will note two huge squares (pyramids) one near another under the snow. It tells much. wink.gif

Those are the zoom-in and zoom-out code buttons! laugh.gif
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post Jan 05, 2007, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 05, 2007, 01:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 05, 2007, 01:02 PM) *

Enter Google earth, zoom on Greenland and you will note two huge squares (pyramids) one near another under the snow. It tells much. wink.gif

Those are the zoom-in and zoom-out code buttons! laugh.gif


Very funny.

Zoom on Greenland for this case sounds much better than zoom-in Greenland.

Besides zoom in on . E.g. I suggest we zoom in on the question of (something) ... .
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post Jan 05, 2007, 01:59 PM
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That secret about Aliens in Greenland was a great secret of John Dee and the Freemasons for many, many centuries until Google Earth uncovered the story. laugh.gif
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post Jan 05, 2007, 08:20 PM
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heres whats in the recent news

Cops baffled by object that crashes into home

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/04/fallen.object.ap/index.html

Istanbal; people claim to see UFO

http://english.sabah.com.tr/13594895DBFE49...C458E12FDE.html

UFO Burns in England Sky

http://www.shropshirestar.co.uk/2007/01/uf...ning-up-in-sky/

Object enters atmosphere in CO

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=62596

UFO Crashes in South Africa

http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=376703

Strange Sky Sightings In Kansas

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/5092086.html

*Flying Saucer over O'Hare Airport

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/a...onworldiraq-hed


France Space Agency releasing all UFO Data on their site

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/france_ufo_dc

UFO over Poland

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/sw...ver_swindon.php

Fleet of UFOs over Britain

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...#39;/article.do

UFO Crash over Finland

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=49...778&q=ufo&hl=en

UFO over Russia

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...fo+russia&hl=en






* interview with witness: http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/specia...port_121206.mp3
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post Jan 06, 2007, 11:31 AM
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France Space Agency releasing all UFO Data on their site

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/france_ufo_dc


Very impressive news from France indeed.
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post Jan 06, 2007, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 06, 2007, 07:31 PM) *
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France Space Agency releasing all UFO Data on their site

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/france_ufo_dc


Very impressive news from France indeed.
Yes, quite an eyeful!
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post Jan 06, 2007, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(Hey Hey @ Jan 06, 2007, 02:25 PM) *

Yes, quite an eyeful!


Yap, 2’007 will be an interesting year.
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post Jan 06, 2007, 08:04 PM
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Something's going on. At 9:57 CST I got the message I copied and pasted below as I was trying to enter the board. And after several tries I finally got through. But the message keeps popping-up on and off, Enki. So, you're right about that. Maybe the Jihad thing....



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"Man...is alone in the unfeeling immensity of the universe, out of which he has emerged only by chance"

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.182...icle_detail.asp


Sorry for the blow to the dreamers in you. But this is more in the order of the way things probably are. We are the product of an insana rarety, most likely. Which would explain why we're so willing to f**k it all up at a minute's notice.
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post Jan 07, 2007, 01:57 AM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 06, 2007, 08:35 PM) *

"Man...is alone in the unfeeling immensity of the universe, out of which he has emerged only by chance"

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.182...icle_detail.asp


Sorry for the blow to the dreamers in you. But this is more in the order of the way things probably are. We are the product of an insana rarety, most likely. Which would explain why we're so willing to f**k it all up at a minute's notice.


Well I figure if we f**k it all up, in another few billion years, there will be life again. While there may be an increadibly small probability for life to occur, it is bound to happen again eventually.
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The Universe is dying, Flex. Didn't you know?
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post Jan 07, 2007, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 06, 2007, 08:04 PM) *

Something's going on. At 9:57 CST I got the message I copied and pasted below as I was trying to enter the board. And after several tries I finally got through. But the message keeps popping-up on and off, Enki. So, you're right about that. Maybe the Jihad thing....



IPB WARNING [2] mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10048) (Line: 128 of \ips_kernel\class_db_mysql.php)



There appears to be an error with the database.
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SQL error: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost' (10048)
SQL error code:
Date: Saturday 06th 2007f January 2007 07:57:25 PM

We apologise for any inconvenience



I guess we need more permanent solution to our problem.
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post Jan 07, 2007, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(code buttons @ Jan 07, 2007, 08:18 AM) *

The Universe is dying, Flex. Didn't you know?


Well if the universe is dying then it doesn't matter if we destroy ourselves or just wait for the end~Problem solved smile.gif
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Do not worry we will create another one.
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post Jan 07, 2007, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 08:48 PM) *

Do not worry we will create another one.


I hope it is like Disney World--that place is amazing biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Flex @ Jan 07, 2007, 08:49 PM) *

QUOTE(Enki @ Jan 07, 2007, 08:48 PM) *

Do not worry we will create another one.


I hope it is like Disney World--that place is amazing biggrin.gif


Yap, a wonderland.
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post Jan 10, 2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: A universe that will eventually die and creating or escaping to another one:

Kaku

http://www.mkaku.org/

http://www.myspace.com/mkaku

Re: UFO Frauds and charlatans:

website exposes them:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall1.html

same website gives opinion on who are honest researchers, such as peter davenport of the national UFO reporting center:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/fame1.html
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post Jan 15, 2007, 05:20 AM
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Interesting links Tone.
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post Feb 19, 2007, 11:51 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpK5a5l8Y58

if this short video interests you , then scroll up and hit case for nasa UFOs
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