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post Apr 30, 2008, 01:57 PM
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Brain: Constructs rather than mirrors reality

Thomas Kuhn, in his famous book, “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions”, explains the difficult we have with recognizing and accepting experiences that contradict our anticipations.

Kuhn details some of the problems that arose while scientists discovered such scientific anomalies as X-ray and oxygen.

As Kuhn observed:
“Novelty emerges with difficulty, manifested by resistance, against a back drop provided by expectation. Initially, only the anticipated and usual are experienced even under circumstances where anomaly is later to be discovered…Further acquaintance, however, does result of awareness of something wrong…[which] opens a period in which perceptual categories are adjusted until the initially anomalous has become the anticipated.”

He concludes: “What a man sees depends upon what he looks at and also upon what his previous visual-conceptual experience has taught him to see.”

Kuhn provides us with an experiment performed by Jerome Bruner and Leo Postman undertaken to illuminate this human characteristic of seeing only what we are prepared to see.

Subjects were shown standard playing cards mixed with the anomalous card a red six of spades and a black four of hearts. Subjects repeatedly and erroneously identified the anomalous cards as a six of hearts or a four of spades. Some, even after the experiment was over, displayed confusion and even anger at the experiment. Only after repeated exposures to the cards did the subjects slowly feel something was askew here. Only after forty exposures did the subjects correctly identify the cards.



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“What a man sees depends upon what he looks at and also upon what his previous visual-conceptual experience has taught him to see.”

So does a man interpret the function of the brain based on what he experiences and what he has been taught that he experiences.
The brain is a multidimensional receiver and it can interpret or catch the thoughts of consciousness above and beyond the neural pathways weathered by habitual traffic of thought patterns within the physical brain. Consciousness constructs the manifestations of reality and beliefs break down experience into concepts of reality based on those beliefs. Reality mirrors the diverse perversions of interpretations and the multidimensional projections of potential within the codependent limits of those beliefs, it can also mirror the unbounded potential that seems to lay dormant until someone discovers it in the guise of invention or enlightenment.

Generally speaking, relative to the separation and violence associated with human ego, the reflection of the past 2000 years has shown a very slow change in the desire to rise above human suffering.
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There is indeed some sensory input that stimulates the reality we create. It is a difficult thing to discuss because we do not have a vocabulary suitable for discussing it. Kant speaks of the thing-in-itself as being that reality out there and we speak of the reality that we know. Our problem lies in that we use the same word "reality" for both because up until recently everyone considered what we know is what is out there.
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Our vocabulary gives us the means to talk about it. Defining it in absolute terms is not necessary to talk about it. Talking about enlivens it.

Being consciously awake to understand it is relative to the individual choices one makes in their lives.
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Very fascinating, thanks for sharing that, im going to go find that book tomorrow.

I suppose one could try using the terms inner and outer reality as a means of talking about the different 'realities'. But in actuality the truth is that the reason why people use the term reality for both things is because they are one in the same thing.

Reality is comprised of that which we know. Therefore, a persons reality is really what they believe about the world in which they interact - trying to talk about something that we do not know (because that is really like trying to be in 2 places at once) is going to be a bit difficult.

Its like trying to describe something we have never seen, felt, tasted, touched or smelled but are absolutely certain it exists anyways. The difficulty of these things is really that we are stuck inside our own heads and cant get out to see what else is out there.
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QUOTE(Joesus @ May 01, 2008, 07:53 AM) *

The brain is a multidimensional receiver and it can interpret or catch the thoughts of consciousness above and beyond the neural pathways weathered by habitual traffic of thought patterns within the physical brain.

Proof? Or an experiment to test this?
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QUOTE(maximus242 @ May 01, 2008, 07:50 PM) *

Very fascinating, thanks for sharing that, im going to go find that book tomorrow.

I suppose one could try using the terms inner and outer reality as a means of talking about the different 'realities'. But in actuality the truth is that the reason why people use the term reality for both things is because they are one in the same thing.

Reality is comprised of that which we know. Therefore, a persons reality is really what they believe about the world in which they interact - trying to talk about something that we do not know (because that is really like trying to be in 2 places at once) is going to be a bit difficult.

Its like trying to describe something we have never seen, felt, tasted, touched or smelled but are absolutely certain it exists anyways. The difficulty of these things is really that we are stuck inside our own heads and cant get out to see what else is out there.



Basic realism entails at least the following characteristics:
• A commitment to the existence of a real world external to human existence
• A link of some kind between human conceptual systems and aspects of reality
• A conception of truth that has some grounding in external reality
• The possibility of stable knowledge of the external world
• The rejection of the idea that any conceptual system is as good as any other

Objectivism and experimentalism are two different versions of basic realism.

The objectivist paradigm features metaphysics and epistemology that is independent of human cognition, language, and knowledge. Objectivism holds that reality can be modeled as entities, their properties, and interrelationships. Page 159 women fire Lakoff

Basic realism only assumes that there is a mind independent reality out there somewhere. The reality that Kant calls the ‘thing-in-itself’ is assumed to exist. This is a fundamental axiom of basic realism philosophy.

“Objectivist metaphysics is much more specific. It additionally assumes that reality is correctly and completely structured in a way that can be modeled…in terms of entities, properties, and relations…this structure exists, independent of any human understanding.”

Objectivists further assume that thought is merely the manipulation of abstract symbols. The assumption is that the brain functions much like the computer. The computer manipulates symbols in a specific manner and the meaning of the symbols is determined by the user.

Objectivists assume that words and mental representations, i.e. symbols, obtain their meaning from a correspondence with entities and categories in the world.

Objectivism holds the view that there are entities in the world that naturally fall into categories. It is also held that there exist logical relationships between categories that are purely objective, i.e. that have no subjective component, i.e. that are completely independent of any minds, human or otherwise (with the exception of God of course).

Experimentalism is a name given by Lakoff and Johnson to SGCS (Second Generation Cognitive Science) in their book “Philosophy in the Flesh”. Contrary to objectivist view that the body has nothing important to do with human thought or categorization SGCS characterizes meaning in terms of embodiment.


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QUOTE(Orbz @ May 02, 2008, 05:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Joesus @ May 01, 2008, 07:53 AM) *

The brain is a multidimensional receiver and it can interpret or catch the thoughts of consciousness above and beyond the neural pathways weathered by habitual traffic of thought patterns within the physical brain.

Proof? Or an experiment to test this?

Witnessing thoughts and emotions allows one to experience themselves above and beyond the thoughts and emotions, so that we can realize we are not our thoughts and emotions.
This is the beginning of awakening to the realization that if we experience life differently in similar situations it is not the scenario that has stability but the consciousness which witnesses it.
Given time, with focus and intent, if one commits themselves to a discipline to still the chatter of the mind one begins to give the mind and body a chance to rid itself of stress. As a result the mind becomes clear and the body does not struggle to keep up with the stress related thoughts and beliefs of a determined mind to follow distraction.

There is a saying,"The heart knows no reason" We have experiences of knowing, or impulses of intuition that go beyond fear based or habitual reasoning, to lead us to discovery and destiny.
Christopher Columbus was a good example of one who fought the idea of sailing off the edge of the world based on the popular belief that the world was flat, so that he could fulfill his destiny and intuitive senses.
Tho the mind could have dreamed up a fantasy, what is more probable is that the mind tapped into a greater reality than popular belief, a reality that was conscious of his future and one that existed or exists beyond his mortal limitations or beliefs in life beginning with birth and ending with physical death.

Inventors do not by themselves create the universal discoveries that take place, they simply become aware of what exists and bring it forward into manifestation and experience.
Before the wheel was manufactured it existed in potential. Everything that is invented exists in potential and as man evolves to accommodate greater reasoning to allow for the advancement of technology what exists in potential is more available to the mind as it becomes attuned to potential of coexistence.
This is self evident as we accept a future and in that acceptance we also accept technologies that do not exist but will exist. As we think about them they come closer to our bringing them into manifestation. If they didn't or couldn't exist we couldn't think about them.
As we evolve we bring ourselves closer to the vast storehouse of technology and possibility of human evolution.
We are creating our future ahead of us and it is waiting for us to realize its reality, and as we accept it, it becomes so.
What you focus on grows. If you follow the fear based thoughts of the ego what extends itself to belief and supposition is negativity and limitation.
If you remove the stress of fear, possibility extends itself and miracles manifest in evolution that itself is the future possibilities that were not normal in the past but become commonplace as we allow and accept.

Proof is all around you but we as a species categorize what we experience and accept knowledge according to present conditions, as reality. We interpret the past as it is convenient and project the future as we dream through the stress of anxiety, fear, habit and hope. Rarely are we present enough to notice the obvious.

Proof then is subservient to the attention we place on reality and what we believe about it.
Normal becomes habit, out of pure laziness and apathy.
Mostly people demand proof of something they don't accept or understand because they would rather cling to the past so that they can fool themselves into thinking they can predict the future and save themselves from the unexpected change that takes place, that will eventually take away their ideas of reality.

If you could take a man from the 19th century and place him here in the 21st century his concept of reality would be shattered as he would have to rearrange his way of thinking to accept the reality of the future. From breeding to traveling in space, everything he believed in would be shattered.
Similarly if you could place yourself in the 18th century you would either be committed into an asylum for ideas that would be foreign to the time or you would become a messiah to those who could not comprehend the manifestation of simple technologies as we know it.
What you know would not be understood, possibly not accepted.
2000 years ago a man walked the planet and shared his knowledge of the universe and he was both worshiped as God and at the same time criticized, stalked and killed by the current administration for his ideas which threatened the current rule.

We are quick to deny what we don't understand and quick to cling to habit and whats worse accept what others tell us without our own experience.
We hypnotize ourselves with the media and allow the media to describe reality as our experience. But we would not be so quick to allow another man or woman, or the media to make love to our wives or husbands and accept their description as reality, as easily as we allow science and politicians to tell us what is happening in the world.
Experience exists beyond what we know and few will accept it without proof.
Fact is few are willing to step out of their box and seek to find anything new unless it suits their need for greed or to stifle fears of impending futures that invade the thoughts of a perfect world according to what they have been told by their parents, peers and the media.

Time and space are a construct that we make real, the mind is not the heart of who we are, it is a translator and it functions according to how we program it and to any level of perception we set it.
What inspires us to love, create, dream and commit does not come from internal programs or from the world, it comes from something greater we often ignore, the heart, which is more than an internal organ of the body. The heart is intimately connected to a source that we call God, Spirit, Intuition, etc.etc.
Humanity has known of its potential to create good and to connect us as a species to that which is beyond fear, self destruction and evil. We cannot seem to find some scientific nail to hold it down and label it to conformity and so it is given less attention than the more serious matters of success, popularity and entertainment.
Proof is in the experience and if you don't experience it then you don't believe, case closed.

It's not that you can't its more like you won't. Life is all about choice, that is what makes us human, and that is what is the image of God, Choice and free will.
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QUOTE(Joesus @ May 03, 2008, 12:20 AM) *

Witnessing thoughts and emotions allows one to experience themselves above and beyond the thoughts and emotions, so that we can realize we are not our thoughts and emotions.
This is the beginning of awakening to the realization that if we experience life differently in similar situations it is not the scenario that has stability but the consciousness which witnesses it.
Ah the hard problem of neuroscience
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Mostly people demand proof of something they don't accept or understand because they would rather cling to the past so that they can fool themselves into thinking they can predict the future and save themselves from the unexpected change that takes place, that will eventually take away their ideas of reality.
Demanding proof is bad? Not demanding proof leads you to think that you can do this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&feature=related but you can't.

Not demanding evidence in an appropriate way causes the spread of delusion.
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as easily as we allow science and politicians to tell us what is happening in the world.

While politicians don't have the best record, science is currently the best way to understand the world. Too often we have erroneous and delusional beliefs which scientific testing and methodology can easily disprove.
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Proof is in the experience and if you don't experience it then you don't believe, case closed.
What is the experience, and how do you know that your interpretation of that experience is the correct one? How do you know that its not merelly some neurochemical abnormality? I've had all sorts of experiences which could possibly be labelled as whatever it is that your talking about. Yet my interpretation of the experience would be different. Same experience but different interpretation. How do we solve this underdetermination?
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What is the experience, and how do you know that your interpretation of that experience is the correct one? How do you know that its not merelly some neurochemical abnormality? I've had all sorts of experiences which could possibly be labelled as whatever it is that your talking about. Yet my interpretation of the experience would be different. Same experience but different interpretation. How do we solve this underdetermination?

How do you prove to your wife or girlfriend or husband or boyfriend that what you feel is love?
How do you know it is the correct love or real love? Do you have science prove it for you or do you experience yourself as a stable individual and with a stable experience of what you call love, without the uncertainty of needing another's opinion?
Do we need to solve this issue as problematic?
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Not demanding evidence in an appropriate way causes the spread of delusion.

Delusion spreads regardless of any preventative measure. It is fear in an individual that leads to delusion regardless of perfect analysis and conditions. The proof is in the world today. Regardless of any technology people still follow thoughts of fear and create delusions of reality in thoughts about themselves and their relationship with the world. One delusion is to give up ones own ability to be cognizant of what is real and then turn all determination over to some outside authority.
This ideal presents itself in Society thru Religion and Government, which is passed on in social behavior within the family and educational system. Uncertainty gives way to a need for proof and the demand then is put blindly into a mechanism that is given total control thru a democratic process.
Demanding evidence to an idea requires an attachment to a thought be it one of favor and idealism or repulsion and fear. When one approaches any subject objectively one may ask without creating a demand and as such give some intuitive reason and intelligence to comprehension rather than to instantly bottle a scenario into a package that doesn't fully describe or explain something.
A good example is to ask for evidence and then take someone else's experience and description for their own because it fits their reasoning. Without first hand experience the idea is relative to delusion.

Is it so prudent to believe we as a species must first approach our senses as defective, with the need to first ask another if what we know and feel is real? To me this in itself is a psychosis that needs to be corrected.

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Too often we have erroneous and delusional beliefs which scientific testing and methodology can easily disprove.

Too often we build a machine that works in one environment based on the ideals of reality without intuiting any other environment making the machine useless to us in any capacity other than what it was built for.
Science then by its attachment to idealistic reference will deny the reality of anything that machine wasn't built for. Sort of like a two dimensional society trying to objectify a 3 dimensional world.
People call themselves scientific but often are not objective but subjective.
Religion is a great divider of peoples who cannot compromise their subjective ideals, not because religion in itself is the power behind disagreement but because choice is the foundation of religion. Those that don't believe in God demand proof of God but cannot prove God does not exist, and so by default leave it to the fault of delusion when they themselves have no idea whether they know if they are right. Then if they further exacerbate their delusions of righteousness with the thought that personal cognitive abilities are subject to fault they then cut their own lifeline to any objective reasoning.
A catch 22 so to speak.
Science could be responsible for Global warming due to the technology and the supervision that exists in putting all efforts into fossil fuels rather than alternative fuels, pollution of ground water, birth defects due to drugs, immune system failure due to conditions prevailing from technologies that are not regulated by conscious reasoning but rather profit and gain.
Science in itself is not often a moral institution, it is subject to ego and personality as any organized and labeled institution. It is neither perfect nor is it imperfect, it exists within the matrix of delusion and as such creates its own delusions. Man has failed himself by allowing delusion to spread in allowing his sense of Self atrophy, and to allow the newspaper, television and internet to tell him what is real, and that is about the science of it.
In the U.S. Constitution there is a provision to separate Church and state. Unfortunately they didn't foresee the need to separate science and state.

Technology is reflected largely in my computer, what I build today will be obsolete before I pay the credit card bill for the parts....Any answer I may need from science may be relative to being obsolete while I build a belief system around any definition.

I prefer to set my sights on that which doesn't change and deludes changing systems of definition and value. If it's real I can experience something of it. Since I do and, since I share a commonality with others who do, I look to refine my own sense of self and my intuitive cognition.
While others are changing their minds and beliefs the way my computer ages and becomes obsolete what is real remains and expands.
Whether anyone shares my thoughts is irrelevant.
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Demanding proof is bad? Not demanding proof leads you to think that you can do this ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&feature=related but you can't.

Not demanding evidence in an appropriate way causes the spread of delusion.
Excellent point! Orbz
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I think the point is being missed. You made a statement (below) about the ability of the brain to experience a different reality to what is commonly experienced.
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The brain is a multidimensional receiver and it can interpret or catch the thoughts of consciousness above and beyond the neural pathways weathered by habitual traffic of thought patterns within the physical brain.

I'm open to the suggestion, I just need evidence. But now I think that you're telling me that evidence is bad. I'm not about to start abandoning my capacity for logic and reasoning. That's just silly. Or is it just that your statement was made out of belief? Which is fine, I don't mind that either, but at least then I can stop asking for evidence.
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No I'm not telling you evidence is bad, what is counterproductive is relative absolutism or thinking inside of a box, or critical thinking based on ignorance or false information.
If you have been taught all your life to believe in a reality that is not true, then all of your intellect is being steered toward illusions of false reality.

In the topic regarding holistic health I wrote about scientific proof regarding the way our minds have an effect on our health http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19054&hl= may 9th. I don't want to paste it all here so here's the link.
So far science is coming to the conclusion that our thoughts have a direct affect on our health. What we think is mirrored in our bodies. If we are sick it is because of stress and if you remove the stress you remove the cause rather than just treating the symptoms.
Beliefs about reality are relative to the way we experience reality.
If we can directly affect the way our body functions in health it is not a far stretch to understand the relationship to our world is similar. The body is an extension of the mind and the world is an extension of our body. The fact that we seem to share the world with 6 billion others only reflects the unity of diversity in beliefs and thoughts that exist in consciousness.
Stanford university did a study that revealed we think some 50-60,000 thoughts per day, and it is probably closer to 100,000 thoughts. Each thought stream is a variant of the educational influence of a persons past.
The person who cycles that many thoughts about the past is addicted to a sensory past and hardly cognizant of the present moment of the now.
If a person does get a glimpse of the now it is often in a revelatory experience such as was described by Abraham Maslow as a peak experience. Lau_Tzu gave us a link to similar brainwave cohesiveness of being in the present moment in his Topic: EEG Meditation Study: Gamma Synchrony, http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19015&hl=
What the mind experiences in a deep state of silence in the present moment is not filled with expectation nor illusions of fear and influence from the present moment.
A child can master complex languages and easily become multilingual without the difficulties that an adult has with beliefs in barriers and limitations that the past has given him by relative association to failure and success. Typically the innocent child is free of any belief system and has to be taught how to live in the world and what we as adults teach is all the things that are impossible and where its limits are by our own subconscious influence to the same that was taught to us.
Children have no preconceived delusions of self worth and difficulties in learning and so they have no social influence to create delusions of religion or political prejudice, it is taught to them.

When one learns to still the mind as in a peak experience or as has been measured in meditative practices in monks, the established state of mind or consciousness allows one to experience life completely different than the average adult who is bubbling inside with the influences of fear, stresses that are both chemically and psychologically related which by scientific determination affect the body and the perceptions of the world in reality.
Reality is flexible in that we determine through our perceptions how it feels, tastes, smells and unfolds.
We have the power to see a glass half empty or half full, and as such we have the power to experience the world in a positive or a negative way.
Potential exists in every moment and if we by our own determination can only see it one way then we don't allow ourselves to see it any other way. That is the nature of free will. What we see is determined by our state of mind or state of consciousness.

In the waking state world as most know it there are three distinct states of consciousness. Waking dreaming and sleeping, each with its own subjective and objective points of reference.
Patanjali in the Yoga Sutras, outlines 4 more states of consciousness making the total 7 rather than the relative 3 that we believe are real.

THE RELATIVE STATES: WAKING, DREAMING AND SLEEPING

A. Sleeping. Each state of consciousness has its corresponding state in the physiology. This is how a major state of consciousness is distinguished from a merely altered state such as those produced in biofeedback, rebirthing or hypnosis. To qualify as a unique state of consciousness, the subjective and objective experience must be different.

1. Sleeping is characterized by the deepest rest of the three relative states of consciousness. It is typically considered a thought-free state, but the ancient description by Patanjali (who systemized Yoga about 5,000 years ago) is more accurate: sleep is the state of consciousness when the mind thinks of nothing. Sleep is required for the normal functioning of the physiology, and yet most of us sleep so very long because we gather excessive fatigue from faulty use of the mind and senses in the waking state. It is possible to gradually replace sleep with effective meditation; this not only results in deeper rest and therefore less stress and better health but also allows us to grow much more quickly to enlightenment. Filling the mind with coherence instead of a thought of nothing is a faster way to grow in consciousness.

2. Sleep is the primary manifestation of tamas guna. It is ruled by Shiva, the Lord of Destruction. Full mastery of sleep is a byproduct of Unity Consciousness.

B. Dreaming. Dreaming was sacred in many ancient civilizations. It was believed that dreams opened us to the abode of demonic and celestial forces; therefore no intelligent person ignored the advice gained from the supernatural realms entered in dreams. Some advanced societies built temples where individuals went to dream to gain the counsel of the gods -- for example, ancient Egypt and Greece had many hundreds. Even today, certain aborigines hold that the most important state of consciousness is dreaming. A common feature of this belief is that Someone Else is in fact dreaming our waking state world. This understanding was also found in ancient India; Narayana sleeps on the Mega-Cosmic serpent Sesha on the Cosmic ocean, His dreams create universes of name and form, one of which we inhabit. Narayana (Vishnu) rules sattva guna; mastering the pure creativity of dreams can open the door to mastering the ability to create anything desired. Full mastery of dreaming is a byproduct of Exalted Consciousness.

1. These ancient beliefs mirror truth: the waking state is in reality not absolute. Our experience of life is not solid or unchanging, but is produced by our beliefs and judgments. If we wish, we can change our minds; this necessarily gives us a completely different perspective on life. Suffering is not necessary in waking or dreaming -- we change our perceptions by changing our beliefs. We do not have to remain bound to our spatial, temporal, cultural, familial, or past interpretations of the world. And yet for most, particularly those who are not evolving to higher levels of consciousness, the dictates of rationality and empirical reasoning appear absolute: it is difficult if not impossible to rewrite our waking state dramas.

2. But for everyone, the dreaming state is free of all restrictions, which is exactly why so many have such a hard time understanding the symbols hiding in dreams. Every dream can serve as a source of healing or insight; dreaming integrates our experience of the outer world with our ancient internal knowledge, gathered from countless lives. There is no barrier to the future and the past in the dream state; therefore the total amount and variety of information conveyed in dreams is awe-some: direct contact with our highest Self, precognition, past-life or future-life experiences, mythological dramas, communication with celestial beings, analysis and exploration of waking state reality, deep-rooted stresses, fears, wild humor and bizarre fantasy. All of this is wrapped up in metaphorical and symbolic experience that may or may not ever make sense to the waking state mind.

3. Since we are freed from the inhibitions and restrictions of our adopted world--views in dreams, they can be an excellent path for Self-knowledge. There are no accepted societal standards, no familial dictates, no ingrained defenses from our belief systems; full knowledge of spiritual Truth is therefore less hidden from us while dreaming.

4. The most serious consequences of our waking state universe are the stresses that lodge in our subtle bodies; these are released in deep meditation and in dreaming. To consciously apply meditative tools while dreaming is of course the most powerful way to accelerate this process. Dreaming any desired dream, directing dreams in any desired direction is the natural result of expansion of consciousness. This occurs when one is awake during sleep in Perpetual Consciousness and the higher stages of enlightenment; before then, this ability develops to whatever extent awareness can be maintained while falling asleep.

5. Waking up while asleep (realizing that you are asleep and dreaming) is one sign of the developing witnessing quality of Perpetual Consciousness. This form of dreaming, lucid dreaming, most often occurs during REM sleep, which comes late at night after a full night's rest. Focusing on the throat chakra while falling asleep can cause lucid dreaming: the awareness typically gathers in the root and heart chakras during deep sleep and the second and fifth during dreaming. Once awareness hits the third or seventh, we awaken once more to the outer world.

C. Ignorance. The waking state of consciousness is known as ignorance, for in this state the omnipresent Reality of the Absolute is being ignored. It is a state of boundaries: the mind is caught by its interpretations of past experience and is not free to experience the freedom of life as it is in the present moment. It is also bound because only the crudest level of objects is perceived: the Unbounded Absolute is missed.

1. The waking state mind is incoherent: it is chaotically fragmented between thoughts produced by the rational intellect and those created by the emotions of fear and love. Silence and clarity are rare occurrences: the mind is always active, racing from one thought stream to another, from one regret, worry, difficulty, desire or frantic scheme to another. The waking state mind is buffeted like a small boat on a tumultuous sea as its 100,000 daily thoughts race through, completely without control. There is no awareness or at best a dim awareness of the Absolute in the waking state, therefore the individual is caught by identification with desires, thoughts, and possessions. This is like losing a million dollars by finding a dime. How do we return to our heritage of infinite awareness? How do we attain true freedom?

2. To be free from ignorance requires: (a.) the humility to recognize that our cherished waking state beliefs are not true; (b.) the courage necessary to challenge and erase these beliefs; (c.) an intense desire to change, whatever it takes; (d.) surrender to Cosmic will; and (e.) a formidable discipline (the willingness to adopt relative boundaries to gain Eternal Freedom). Such wisdom needed to tread the path to enlightenment is not easy to gain or develop in this modern world. But trying to gain enlightenment without the necessary focus has traditionally been compared to trying to churn butter from water. It simply won't happen.

3. Also required is (f.) consistency, or the intelligence to make a choice and then stick with it. Nature does not support vacillation. More accurately, Nature does try to support all human desires, but when these desires are mutually contradictory, what can She do? It takes a consistent choice -- then and then only can the forces of Natural Law be marshaled to create success.

4. Abundance in any area of human concern is always the result of (g.) one-pointed commitment. It does not work to say, "I will change as soon as the external conditions make it possible to change." God can and will outwait any such ego proposal. What does work is to say, "I will change Now, today; as I move consistently toward my goal, I assume that the means will manifest for me." And of course they do, for instead of resisting the flow of life, the individuality has now aligned with Cosmic Will.

5. My Teacher commonly said, "The means gather around sattva." (h.) Purity of life and (i.) clarity of intention bring fulfillment in their wake as inevitably as rain comes from cumulonimbus.

D. Death of the dominance of Ego. When we are born as humans, our first need is to learn how to relate to the outer world. Our need for physical and emotional support means that we must direct our senses outward, away from inner silence and complete consciousness, into the field of multiplicity. In order to do this, we organize our consciousness into an illusory structure that artificially maintains our separation from the Self. This structure is known as the ego. This was designed only to be a temporary stage of development, not the be all and end all of human evolution. The dominance of the ego was not supposed to continue much past puberty.

1. It is our attachment to the ego that keeps us trapped in the world of illusion, in samsara (which means literally, "perpetual succession" or "eternal cycle:" we rise up only to fall again, over and over again forever until the endless circle is Ascended). Since this structure is an illusion, everyone on the deepest level fundamentally desires to Ascend this artificial construct. In order for this to happen, the limited ego of the waking state must die.

2. This process, if not properly understood, can be extraordinarily painful. Without vitally needed knowledge, many decide at this point to abandon their quest for enlightenment. In extreme cases, the intense feeling of emptiness as the old behavior patterns fall away can actually lead to attempted suicide. These death-desiring impulses are signs from our higher Self that the old attitudes standing in our way must end. Mastering this process is an act of purest courage. The renunciation of the sense-oriented life of the lower self is horrifying to the ego; the subsequent birth to enlightenment is inconceivable and impossible from the perspective of the illusory structure of mind-created boundaries that is the ego.

3. A second twisting of the growth of consciousness can occur in lifethreatening illness. This challenge can be much more subtle than an overt act of self-destruction, but the cause is the same. The internal spiritual forces are very powerful; like the mythical gods of ancient cultures, they can seem temperamental or capricious. If they are ignored or dishonored, they may actively seek to destroy us. The purpose is not of course to kill us, but to break our addiction to our limited world-views. Through death's dark door, we enter identical mental states to those that we discover inside during effective meditation. Debilitating illness can have a highly positive effect: like the phoenix from the ashes, an entirely new personality emerges from the painful death of the old. Ancient shamanic experience echoes this theme: it is only when the initiate accepts the communication from the spirit world that the torturing demon returns him/her to life or health and the new life-role of the shaman begins.

4. There is an astrological transit that occurs only once every thirty years and is universally dreaded in India. It is known as "Sapti Sati" and consists of Saturn transiting the natal Moon. The period of Sapti Sati can be a time of great difficulty; one thing after another can keep developing to generate unhappiness; the mind may not be at peace for this entire seven and a half year period. It is also very common for one or more members of the immediate family to die during this transit. Sapti Sati is in general a period of great distress and destruction. It is not that Saturn is malefic or evil, it is just that this intensely spiritual part of the personality insists that life be lived in enlightenment: if the individual has not turned toward Self-realization when this power is maximal in the life, it will feel as if life is trying to destroy you. It can seem as if you are being run over by a Mack truck every day of this transit. On the other hand, for those dedicated to spirituality, Sapti Sati produces great insights and inner development. It is only for those who are still caught by the ego that this transit produces great pain and suffering. The whole purpose of such an event is to dissolve the rigid boundaries of ego-based thinking. Fortunate are those who can accomplish this through a "negative" astrological transit without having to physically die or experience debilitating illness.

5. What is required for growth is our surrender to higher power. Only through the death of our old ego-based thinking does rebirth occur. Becoming immortal through dying is the theme of many ancient myths. Beneath the chaos of the waking state mind lies the perfect silence and beauty of the infinite bliss of the Absolute. When the ego is cut away, enlightenment automatically dawns. This is the transfiguration of the ego. This was symbolically attempted by the death initiation in many ancient (and current aboriginal) cultures. In Egypt, for example, the novitiate priest was instructed to stay inside a sarcophagus until the ego was killed. This process did kill the aspirant on occasion, but when it did not, the priest returned beyond the portals of death with knowledge from the Absolute.

6. In the West, we have the example of the death of Christ on the cross as a perfect example of the requirement of the death of the ego as the doorway to Ascension. The crucifying cross represents the opposites of earth-life, united at their center, in the Absolute. The personal self is crucified to give rise to the transcendental reality of the Son of God (the enlightened individual).

7. Until this ultimate transfiguration occurs, we continue to identify with the ego as it represses large parts of our personality in favor of those beliefs, which are favored. When we start to grow in enlightenment, these repressed areas start clamoring for recognition and acceptance; this can lead to intense inner conflict. Like the ancient battle at Kurukshetra outlined in the Bhagavad Gita, we find that the opposing forces in our lives rise in strength and power until the death of the world seems imminent. And yet it is only through this reconciliation of opposing internal values that full development of consciousness can occur. Universal love is required of us to manifest the all-inclusive nature of the Self: love toward all the disparate and hitherto denied portions of ourselves naturally translates into love for everyone and everything in the world. This is the opposite of judgment, which is always based in projection from the fear-based ego.

8. The ultimate Ascension is when we recognize that all the limited conditions of our belief system must be surrendered to the omniscient and omnipotent power of the Absolute. This results in a radical transformation of our previous ego-structured existence; the small and limited self rises into the Universal. Christ's death and Ascension thus serves as a model for any aspirant to enlightenment. The temporal and the personal are ascended as universality dawns; the ego melts into the Universal Self.

9. This is the essence of renunciation, not living the life of the monk or the nun. True renunciation means that all belief in the ego has been given up, not that we deny certain desires or behavior patterns. It is a misinterpretation of the path to enlightenment to feel that it is only suitable for recluses. This comes from a limited and incorrect under¬standing of the teachings of such enlightened leaders as Christ and Buddha. For example, the Mahayana Buddhists defined the three requirements for evolution past the waking state as: renunciation, compassion and clear experience of the Absolute. What was originally meant was the renunciation of thought-bound ego-identity; but what it came to be thought to mean was becoming a monk or nun and living the life of a recluse. True renunciation is the natural by-product of clear experience of the Absolute. And so is compassion. This is the three-in-one nature of the Absolute: the mind, the heart and the body all rise to fulfillment together.

E. The Mind. Awareness of the environment and our own mental processes is the function of the mind. The mind is not the same thing as awareness: rather, it is a machine that is operated by awareness. The old belief that awareness is an artifact of the physical body is a materialistic superstition that is falling rapidly aside in the modern scientific and medical communities. The attempt to understand awareness as a by-product of chemical and electrical processes in neurons and nerve tissue was doomed to failure from the outset, for the source of our awareness is not the physical structure of our bodies. Awareness is primary; the body and the physical brain are secondary. The twelve billion cells of the central nervous system create the physical structure of the greatest computer of all time, but they are not themselves aware of anything, any more than the wires and circuitry of a computer are by them¬selves conscious.

1. The various functions of the physical mind are performed by an extremely complex network of interconnected neurons: every neuron is connected to many thousands of others through direct synaptic connections and to millions or even billions of others through its receptor sites for neuropeptides. There are fifty trillion cells in the body; each is capable of producing the neuropeptides which communicate with the neurons in the brain. Thus the mind is not limited to the cerebral cortex; we are in fact body-minds -- the whole structure of our physiology is intelligent and capable of talking back and forth with itself. It is all-intelligent; it all reflects our individual awareness.

2. Memory and learning occur when we repeat a behavior long enough that new neurological pathways are created. The more the behavior is repeated, the deeper the groove in the brain becomes, the more neurons are tied into the loop and the more the connections between them increase. When any behavior is thus locked into the physical structure of the body, the habits, beliefs and judgments associated with it become extremely hard to modify. The self-sense that is our ego is built up on the groundwork of these mental structures. Although practical for much of life, the main trouble with these internal programs is that they keep us from fluidity of consciousness: we become stuck in old behaviors and beliefs and have a hard time in evolving to new life and experience.

3. These structures lock us away from new experience: the mind resonates easily only with that which corresponds to previous impressions. New experience does not easily lodge if there is no similar internal pattern; the mind filters out that which it cannot understand and discards it, particularly if the new information appears to pose a threat to the continuity of the ego. Thus the cycle of action-impression-desire continues and is quite difficult to break. An impulse of desire arises from the Absolute, collides with a previous impression which colors the desire; the warped desire leads to action to fulfill itself; this action leads to strengthening of the initial impression. The cycle can never be broken in its own universe: there is no escape from action-impression-desire on its own terms. What is required, of course, is a new program -- scientific meditation provides the means to rewrite the old internal structures effortlessly, for the mind opens to new experience along the path of increasing enjoyment.

4. External reality cannot be separated from the beliefs, thoughts and perceptions of the mind. The mind creates its own universe. The mind creates what it thinks is reality. The mind is very like a mirror. If the glass of the mirror is dirty, the reflection is necessarily going to appear hazy or distorted. What is never experienced is the external reality of anything, but only its resonance with our beliefs, judgments and internal programs. What is this mirror? Without the reflection of objects, it vanishes. The mind can reflect anything, but without something to reflect, it is only awareness itself -- impossible to grasp by the intellect. The true nature of the mind's awareness can be experienced through systematic reduction of the reflection of thoughts and objects by Scientific meditation, but it can never be understood by the rational faculties.

5. If we abuse the mind, we fall sick; if we use it as it was designed to be used, we find that physical and mental health are its natural style of functioning. As the conscious awareness begins to expand as the result of meditation, it becomes more and more obvious that most if not all the problems of life are rooted in the old destructive beliefs and judgments of projected desire and its opposite, aversion. Every mind is subject to misinterpretation of everything until the awareness of the Absolute is stabilized.

F. The Waking State is a collective hallucination. The hypnosis of the cultural conditioning of humanity is a by-product of the mind's inherent tendency to define or name everything.

1. Naming occurs when the mind organizes perceptions into an object, then assigns reality to this mentally created object. This artificial reality is nothing more than an artifact of sensory perception; it is an out-picturing of a collection of images or concepts in the mind; it has no independent or external reality. Nothing exists in isolation from the value we assign to it. This is how the mind remains abstracted away from current experience: instead of seeing anything as it is, right Now, the mind sees only the past, or more accurately, only our previous beliefs and judgments about the past.

2. The waking state view of reality is that everything has independent existence. But what is that existence? If you take anything apart, you find that it no longer exists. Take a computer apart into its components, there is no computer left. "Computer" is just a name we have assigned onto an appearance. Thus external reality is phenomenal only. This is called mithya in Sanskrit. There is something outside which we call reality, but never what the mind has concluded it is. Each of us creates our own universe based on our private interpretation of the changing flow of energies and appearances, as they are perceived by us in our separate fragments of space and time.

3. The foundation of the entire belief system of the ego is in this waking state view of the universe. If things independently exist, then this "I" of the ego must also be independent and real. But the "I" is also simply a name -- it has no inherent reality.

4. When the old programs that sustain the waking state are rewritten, the energy that is locked into stresses in the body is released. This energy rises along the sushumna, the central energy channel along the spine, opening the seven chakras. When this happens, the mirror of the mind is cleansed: the Clear Light of the Absolute, the true nature of the mind, shines forth spontaneously.

II. THE ABSOLUTE/GOD

A. When we perceive the external world, we are looking at our definitions of forms and objects, but not the underlying Unified Field in which they appear. Similarly, in our inner world, feelings and thoughts clutter our awareness, but the awareness of awareness itself is never known. The trancendental absolute is the space in which things exist; it is the essence out of which everything is made: thoughts, feelings, computers, and my aunt Daisy.

B. This is not a void as some have claimed; this is not an empty or negative reality. Rather, the Absolute is a positive state of fullness, of infinite potential energy out of which everything comes. Since the Absolute underlies and permeates everything in creation, it is called omnipresent. Everything comes from it and exists only because of it. Nothing can or does exist in isolation. Everything is composed of the Absolute, continually flowing in and out of manifestation.

C. The Absolute cannot be measured or defined. We can assign a name to it, like Infinite or Unbounded or Absolute or the One, but these still imply it is something. Any name for the Absolute or belief about the Absolute is not the experience of the Absolute. It is only when we abandon our insistence on attempting to limit the Unlimited by assigning waking state concepts to it that the Infinite Light of the Primal World dawns. Freed from mental fabrications about the Nature of Reality, awareness is experienced as Absolute and identical with everything.

D. The Absolute is without prior cause, it is its own cause; it is ever-the-same, unchanging. Like water, it is not altered regardless how much dirt is added to it: only the clarity of it is shrouded, its essential nature remains water. The Absolute is perfect stability -- it is the Ground of all grounds. There is no experience of duality in the Absolute, there is no difference between the self and the Self. There is no separation. Like a peak experience while painting, writing or composing music, there is no subject-object duality. There is no thought in the Absolute, there is no feeling, and there is nothing other than silence, eternal, self-sufficient.

E. The Absolute is the ultimate Reality from which everything has come and in which everything continues to exist forever. To experience this, as our true nature is enlightenment; to remain ignorant of this means remaining caught by the boundaries of illusion and life after life, caught on the wheel of samsara. Through Ascending meditation, the Absolute is experienced as our own essential nature, as awareness of awareness itself, as pure, unlimited consciousness. This is the experience of Infinite Freedom. This is liberation from the boundaries of the ego. Since the Absolute is the Source of everything, recognizing that "I am That" means that I recognize that I am all-pervasive. This is the state of Is-ness, free from any and every duality, freed from the sense of My-ness or even Am-ness. The Absolute simply is. And That I am.

F. Even though the experience of the Absolute is impossible to define in words, it is a real experience. In fact, the experience of the Absolute is more real than any waking state experience. The experience of the Unbounded is infinitely abstract and yet infinitely concrete. Having once tasted this clearly, life cannot remain the same. There is no previous behavior pattern, habit, judgment or belief that can withstand the force of Unbounded Awareness, for the Absolute is the root of everything.

G. When the mind is fully experiencing the silence of the Absolute, there is no motion of thought. Like a perfectly still pond untouched by wind, there are no waves, no ripples, no motion of any kind when the Absolute is clearly experienced. This state is measurable by the electroencephalograph: coherence of brain waves is the objective measurement of the subjective experience of Ascending meditation. The mind consumes vastly less energy when it is in the Absolute; because of this, the body settles down to its deepest possible state of rest. In the perfect state of Infinite Silence, there is no necessity for breath: the individual retains life by recognizing that he or she is part of Universal Life, in no way different or separate from eternal existence. In other words, life continues because life is the essence of the Absolute. In this state, no decay is possible, no illness, no death, no suffering, no pain.

III. PERPETUAL CONSCIOUSNESS

A. It is not sufficient to taste the Absolute only during silence with the eyes closed. The full development of consciousness requires a movement of the Absolute into daily life. To accomplish this, life itself becomes our Teacher. Every desire, every conflict, every problem is an opportunity presented to us by this flawless and wonderful Teacher to release us from the false confines of the ego and learn that the Absolute is the underlying Reality of everything. Once we start actively pursuing growth, every experience shows us exactly which desires and aversions maintain our past destructive behavior patterns. Every life-situation becomes an opportunity to grow toward enlightenment. As we become adept at renouncing all the previous mental constructs, we naturally develop a state of evenness that carries us smoothly over and through the mirage of earth-life.

B. Permanent renunciation of the ego's constructs radically alters our experience of the world. Since we are no longer enslaved by past destructive behavior patterns, since the mind is freed from the past and the future, we naturally act spontaneously in the present for the good of all creatures. Life becomes extraordinary in its simplicity -- the response to everything that comes to us is the same: unconditional acceptance, compassion and love.

1. One name for Perpetual Consciousness is Nirvana. Nirvana comes from the Sanskrit Nirva, to blow out. The fire of the ego's ignorance has been blown out because the fuel of its beliefs has been exhausted. Like a candle that has been blown out, all the old internal programs have been extinguished. Desire ceases to bind when every action is performed with complete consciousness, when each moment of life is lived spontaneously in the present moment. This is the natural by-product of life fully established in the awareness of the Absolute.

2. Another name for Perpetual Consciousness is Samadhi: "the ultimate," or " flawless evenness." Life becomes perfectly smooth and effortless when the individuality stops attempting to control or manipulate every aspect of existence. This is the natural result of having awareness permanently established in the infinite.

C. The essential characteristic of Perpetual Consciousness is known as prajna (pronounced: "prag¬ya") in Sanskrit. (Note the similarity in structure to ajna, the name of the sixth chakra. The two petals of the sixth chakra create the dual style of functioning of the nervous system in Perpetual Consciousness that is called prajna.) Prajna is the power of the intellect that creates witnessing.

1. The nervous system is sufficiently flexible to experience the continual silence of the Absolute and at the same time the duality of the relative states of conscious-ness: waking, dreaming and sleeping. This duality of awareness or witnessing is the first stage of enlightenment. Hence is prajna called the mother of wisdom.

2. The mind can be compared to a flock of birds that constantly changes its shape and direction and yet maintains its formation. When we begin to culture witnessing consciousness, sometimes we watch the birds fly; sometimes we are the birds. When we are both at the same time continually, we have developed prajna fully. This is Perpetual Consciousness.

3. In the waking state, the common experience is that "I think," "I feel," "I act." This is a confusion of levels of reality. Once one's awareness is permanently established in the Source, in the Absolute, one recognizes that all actions, thoughts and feelings are external to the Self. Life continues, much as before, but now the individual does not mistake the source of thoughts, feelings or actions as being the individual Self. This experience of witnessing can be quite confusing to an aspirant, particularly if there is no one with sufficient knowledge available to explain what is happening. In extreme cases, it has been confused with insanity.

D. The gunas. When one experiences that thoughts, feelings, perceptions and actions continue without being caused by the Self, the question naturally arises, "Who is doing this thinking, feeling and acting?" The answer is that the fundamental forces of nature, called the gunas, are responsible for everything in creation. I said earlier that the Absolute is the Source of everything that is. This is true, but the Absolute never leaves its Infinite, Ascended status to create the universe. Where then did the universe come from? The answer is that it came from the three gunas -- the three fundamental forces that cause everything to exist.

1. Sattva. The first guna is the force of evolution. Everything in the universe grows, matures, becomes more complex. Sattva is this infinitely creative force. In Taoism, this is called yang. Yang is positive, male, expansive, directed outward. The primal force of sattva manifests in the individual life as clarity of thought and purity of intention. When sattva guna takes charge of an individual's life, happiness and health automatically develop.
Sattva manifests throughout every aspect of creation. In terms of the three relative states of consciousness, sattva is maximal in the dreaming. In terms of the three enlightened states of consciousness, sattva is maximal in Exalted Consciousness. Sattva is predominant in certain foods, in certain drinks, in certain perceptions, in certain activities, in certain emotions and in certain thoughts. By gently redirecting our eating, drinking, perceiving, acting, thinking and feeling, we can turn our lives more and more in the direction of sattva. Sattva naturally increases in life as one Ascends, bringing about deep inner peace, silence, clarity, creativity, joy and perfect health.
Sattva is ruled by the primal power of the Absolute known as Vishnu or Narayana, that part of the Absolute that maintains the evolutionary direction of the universe. In the Christian tradition, the sattvic power is represented by the Holy Spirit. Sattva is the dominant theme of the commitment to purity of focus in some monks. Purity of life is their ultimate goal. By taking their ten vows, they adopt the relative boundaries necessary to culture Divine Freedom in the shortest possible amount of time. Their path may appear difficult to others, but from their perspective, the rewards are so great, wonderful and immediate that it is actually the easiest and shortest path to the goal.

2. Tamas. The opposite of sattva in every way is the guna known as tamas, or inertia. Tamas is the yin to sattva's yang -- it is negative, feminine, contractive, directed inward. Yin is the ultimate receptivity, the perfect complement to the infinite creativity of yang. If sattva is light and white, tamas is dark and black. If excessive sattva brings happiness and creativity, excessive tamas brings unhappiness and sloth.
And yet, tamas is also responsible for intuition and the inward direction so necessary for growth of consciousness. This is why the aspect of the Absolute known as Shiva, who rules tamas, is called yogiraj -- "the King of the Yogis" -- tamas is necessary to destroy ignorance. This primal power must be in our favor if we wish to rise to complete consciousness. In the Christian tradition, tamas is represented by the Christ aspect of the trinity. Christ destroys the ignorance of the world and replaces it with the truth of pure, unconditional love, perfect bliss. This is why Isha is known as the Lord of Bliss.
Just as with sattva, there are certain foods, drinks, perceptions, actions, thoughts and feelings that increase tamas. When these increase in life, life becomes sick, depressed, sad. Excessive sleep brings about an imbalance of tamas, for of the three relative states of consciousness, tamas is maximal in sleep. In the three Absolute states of consciousness, tamas is maximal in Unity: in this state, all perception of duality has been destroyed.

3. Rajas. Sattva and tamas always work together: nothing can change or evolve or even be created until the previous state is destroyed. A bud dies so that a flower can bloom; a boy dies so a man can be born. The connecting link between sattva and tamas is the guna known as rajas. The infinite tension between pure creativity and pure destruction creates the third guna, the guna of energy: rajas. Rajas is neutral in direction until it is applied to creation or destruction. It is responsible for the waking state, for waking is activity. It is also dominant in Perpetual Consciousness, for the external world continues more or less exactly as it was in this fifth state of consciousness, the first stage of enlightenment. Only the inner reality has opened to perception of the Absolute: the outside continues very much as it was.
As with sattva and tamas, there are certain foods, drinks, perceptions, actions, thoughts and feelings that increase rajas in the life. An imbalance of rajas leads to passion, to anger, to violence. Rajas tempered by sattva bequeaths the energy necessary to achieve anything in life -- including, of course, the energy necessary to rise to enlightenment. This is why it is said that action is the means to develop Perpetual Consciousness, but silence is the means to develop the more refined states of enlightenment, Exalted and Unified.
The human world is the world of rajas: we as humans stand on the threshold of sattva and of tamas, capable of moving in either direction. By our thoughts and actions, we create heaven or hell of our lives. We stand on the borderline of the visible and the invisible -- living in material, physical bodies, we are nevertheless made of spirit. By our choice, we enliven the heavenly qualities of sattva or the earthly qualities of tamas. By our choice, our lives rise to joy and health or fall to unhappiness and death.
The primal force of rajas is represented by Brahma, the Creator or Visvakarman, the Universal Architect or Prajapati, the Lord of Creation. In the Christian tradition, God the Father embodies the qualities of rajas.

4. Nistrai Gunyo Bhava. ("Be without the three gunas." -- Bhagavad Gita, II, 45) The formula for success in life is to free oneself from the influence of the three gunas. How is this done? By Ascending -- by taking the awareness to its Source in the Absolute. When this happens, one naturally experiences that the thoughts, feelings, perceptions and actions continue, for they always were being caused by the action and interaction of the three fundamental forces of Nature. The gunas playing on the gunas give rise to thoughts; the gunas playing on the gunas give rise to feelings; the gunas playing with the gunas give rise to perception; the gunas playing with the gunas give rise to action. Thus the entire field of human life, subjective and objective, is under the dominion of the gunas. In the waking state, we mistakenly assume authorship for our thoughts, feelings, perceptions and actions. This is healed in Perpetual Consciousness: in every experience, in every thought, in every action, the enlightened person realizes that "I do not think, I do not feel, I do not perceive, I do not act at all." All the thoughts, feelings, perceptions, and actions are born from the gunas acting on the gunas; when this is understood, not as a dry intellectual thought but as a direct, living experience, the individual is stabilized in Perpetual Consciousness. One no longer attempts to control the universe. One is innocent and unattached and therefore free.

E. Perpetual Consciousness is perfect freedom: since in Perpetual Consciousness we realize that it is only the activities of nature that are causing our thoughts and experiences, we can direct our life in any way we choose. No longer subject to the old destructive internal programming, we create any new structures of habit and belief that we desire. The mind, no longer caught by ego-based fearful thinking, rests in perfect inner joy. No more are we chained to past experiences or future worries; life is lived continually in the present moment. Life unfolds in perfection, for we no longer believe that our rational mind controls anything. Just as in the waking state we have no control over the hemoglobin carrying oxygen to our cells and have very little ability to change consciously all the myriad electrical and chemical processes in the body, just so in Perpetual Consciousness, all of our mental processes -- thoughts, feelings, perceptions, actions -- become automatic. Because we have ceased undermining the perfect flowing of life from the Absolute, everything about our individual lives becomes successful and supremely fulfilling. Life is lived in perfection.

F. Heyam Dukham Anagatam. Maharishi Patanjali wrote this in his Yoga Sutras. It means that the suffering that has not yet come deserves to be avoided. How does this happen? It is the natural by-product of permanently establishing the individual awareness in Perpetual Consciousness. When we stop usurping the authority of the three gunas, all of life flows perfectly for us; no suffering is possible in this state. Patanjali also said, when we perfectly establish ourselves in Asteya, non-stealing, then all ratna, priceless wealth, presents itself to us automatically. When we stop usurping authority for our thoughts, feelings, perceptions and actions, we have perfected Asteya. All good and wonderful things come to those who have risen to Perpetual Consciousness, not the least of which is freedom from involuntary rebirth.

G. Perpetual Consciousness develops extraordinarily quickly as a result of regular meditation. It does not take nearly as long to rewrite the internal programs as it took to create them in the first place. Fortunately! If we had to relive or consciously un-create all the horrors we have created in our minds and world, who would have the courage even to begin? Fortunately, it is not necessary. Through an effective meditative process, we gracefully, without even being aware that it is happening, erase all the old beliefs, habits and judgments that keep life bound to the waking state.

1. The typical result of five to eight years of regularly practiced meditation is that Perpetual Consciousness dawns in any nervous system, regardless how stressed it was at the outset. But of course this depends on a number of factors: how regular the individual is with his or her practice; how much stress the individual is adding to his or her nervous system every day; how badly the individual wants to be free from his or her self-destructive behavior patterns. But all things considered, the typical average is five to eight years. This can of course be dramatically shortened by active participation in the process. Attending to a discipline and strict commitment can reduce this down to a single year, if one is intent in dropping all the constructs of the ego. Patanjali also said, Tivra samveganam asannah: "To the intensely vehement, soon." When one has this attitude for evolution, the growth can be dramatic and very, very fast.

2. It is a little surprising that it takes any time at all. Where is there to go, after all? The Absolute is inside everyone. The reason it takes some time is simply that we are so deeply conditioned by our habitual modes of thinking, seeing and acting. Old habits die hard.

IV. EXALTED CONSCIOUSNESS

A. How could there be development of consciousness beyond Perpetual Consciousness? In Perpetual Consciousness, Infinite awareness of the Absolute has been permanently established. Where could there be room for more growth? Logically, there cannot be. This fact has led many individuals in the past to remain "stuck" in Perpetual Consciousness. The reason I put stuck in quotes is that the Eternal Freedom of Perpetual Consciousness is not accurately described as being a state of non-motion, particularly when compared to the ignorance of the waking state. But compared to what else is available, remaining until death in Perpetual Consciousness is being stuck.

B. The mind is fulfilled in Perpetual Consciousness, for the blocks to individual awareness remembering that it is Infinite have been removed. The mind sees no potential for further growth. But the heart is not satisfied. Before, in the waking state, there was at least a kind of unity with the loved person or object. What was lost was awareness of the Unbounded Inner Self, but at least there was a level of enjoyment in this pseudo-union. Every level of creation has its corresponding level of happiness, even the waking state. So when in Perpetual Consciousness the mind is content with this Infinite duality between the Self and everything else, the heart feels dissatisfied. The mind says, "Logically, there can be no more," but the heart responds, "Wait awhile and see." There is an old saying, "The heart knows no reason." It may be completely unreasonable that there could possibly be growth past recognition that we are Infinite, but the heart is not to be so easily defeated, not even by the Absolute!

C. Infinity may stand between the heart's desire, but the heart will storm the Citadel of Eternity if it must to reunite with its sundered beloved. And the heart's ally in this, of course, is that the Ultimate Reality of everything is Love.
What the heart can do is love. The individual, freed from the destructive internal programs of attempting to live in the past or the future, no longer sabotages the natural impulse of love. In the waking state, love rises only to be eclipsed by doubt, fear, projection and interpretation. There is no consistency of love in the waking state, for the ego-self is never consistent. Not living in the present moment, the self is caught between regret, worry, and fear; there is little room left for perfect love. But love for everyone and everything spontaneously blossoms for one who lives completely in the present moment without judgments of the past or fear for the future. Since love flows spontaneously, we naturally find that it is easier and easier to love everyone and everything. This state of spontaneously flowing love begins to change our senses of perception: we begin to experience more and more refined levels of every object.

1. The unifying thread of life is Love. From the most abstract to the most concrete, at every level of existence, at every level of experiencing, runs this slender thread. It seems delicate, a fragile thing, easily lost or broken, but is not so. It is more obdurate than granite; it can never be broken, never diminished, never lost; and it is forever growing, primarily by being given away. We cannot fall out of it, although sometimes we mistakenly believe that we do. Rather, what happens when we feel we have fallen out of love is that our mutually contradictory projected desires have made it impossible for our relationship to provide further growth. This is the kindest and most accurate description. For underlying all our desires -- the mélange of contradictory impulses we drop into the still waters of the Absolute -- there remains forever our original intention, crystalline, flawless, pure, directing our being through situation after situation, life after life, world after world. And what is that original intention? It is to return to our Source. We are not and never will be at home here; we will always feel that we are the dispossessed wanderers of time. That, truly, we are. Like Pellinore of the Arthurian legends, we have lost our kingdoms and queen-doms and wander aimlessly about, slowly rusting since our home has become invisible to us.
Yet is our exile self-imposed. We chose to be here; we can choose to return whence we came whenever we so desire. Nothing can stand between us and our re-union with our Source, for we never truly left the Absolute. We only thought we did; we have traveled exceedingly far in our imaginations, but it is fantasy merely. The Absolute will wait patiently for us to remember throughout all Eternity if need be. For we are the Absolute. No matter how long we forget this simple fact, no matter how long we adamantly deny that this is true or continue to build up false dreams and strange beliefs, the Absolute/God waits patiently for us. There is no thought we can think, no action we can perform, that will ever change this simple fact. The Absolute is the root of all that we are, it is the fullest expression of all we shall ever be; it is the Source not only of us but also of everything everywhere at all times. Life, therefore, is extremely easy to understand.

2. Even in the waking state, it is our experience that when we are in love, we don't much notice the boundaries and limitations of our experience. We are too busy flowing in waves of appreciation. This quality of increasing appreciation naturally opens us to the ability to love more and more deeply -- the two, appreciation and love, feed each other more and more easily and completely once the undermining tendency of the old belief systems have stilled.

3. The body has built into its wondrous structure the mechanics of much subtler styles of functioning. The genetic code, for example, has encoded approximately 90% of its material with no known function in the waking state. This is one of the greatest mysteries of modern genetic research: why only here in the DNA is Nature, typically so ruthless in Her efficiency, squandering over nine-tenths of the building blocks? The answer is that these blank sections of code are only blank in the relative states of consciousness. In the three enlightened states, certain parts of the DNA start functioning to create protein molecules that have no purpose in the relative states. Two of the most important of these in the ancient literature are named soma and amrita.

4. Soma is called the "glue of the universe" for this molecule allows us to see the subtlest level of creation, that level of Reality, which holds everything joined to the Absolute. When soma increases in the body, the senses of perception gradually refine their ability to see more and more subtly. Everything comes to be experienced in its celestial value -- the most refined level of relative structure. This is true for vision: soma allows the mind to see everything filled with or made of Infinite Light, of purest Beauty. This is true for hearing: soma allows us to hear the subtlest level of sound; every sound is exquisite in its perfection. This is true for our sense of smell: every scent is redolent with fragrant wonder. This is true for touch: every physical sensation surpasses the wonder of the softest silk. This is true for taste: every morsel is sweeter than the sweetest sugar.
A prime result of this deeply refined level of perception is to make life supremely enjoyable. A second result is the ability to see and communicate with the beings that live on the subtler levels of reality: the angels, celestials, devas, elementals, gods. This state is the incarnation of magnificence: every moment is lived to the maximum. Soma transforms our clay-like bodies into temples of God's light. Celestial perception is the norm in Exalted Consciousness. Every perception is wonder. Truth and Beauty and Love are the handmaidens of Exalted Consciousness.

5. Amrita is the molecule that bequeaths physical immortality. There is nothing built into the genetic code that insists the human being age and die. There is no absolute law that the damage caused by the free radicals ranging our bodies cannot be perfectly repaired forever. Rather, every cell desires to replicate perfectly. Why does this not happen? Stress. Every year, 98% of the molecules in our body are replaced. Some parts are replaced much more often: for example, the stomach lining, in terms of the molecules creating the cells, is completely new every five days. We have a new liver every six weeks, a new skeleton every six months, a whole new body, 100% replaced, every two years. Even the nerve cells, which themselves are not replaced after birth, are renewed every year by the changing of the atoms that compose them.
In the waking state, we keep rebuilding the body's structure in exactly the same way: if we have a malformed knee due to some old injury, we continue to replace the atoms in the knee in exactly the same way so that true healing never occurs. There is no reason that this has to be so; there is no reason that life has to end at seventy-five. These are simply beliefs. We don't normally recognize them as beliefs, since they are so very deep in the collective unconscious, but beliefs they are. If we change our mind deeply enough, we become familiar with the Master Programmer, the impulse of our consciousness that determines exactly where these belief systems are being maintained. One feature of Exalted Consciousness is the ability to reverse all the old belief systems, including the belief in death. Amrita is the physical molecule that enables us to regenerate our body indefinitely.

V. UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS

A. The final step of growth of human consciousness comes when the refined value of celestial perception melts into continual awareness of the Absolute on the outside. This is the highest level of enlightenment and is known as Unified Perpetual Consciousness or Unity.

B. Unity Consciousness sounds impossible from the perspective of the waking state: How can the Infinite be seen, heard, touched, tasted, smelled? It makes sense only from the standpoint of one who has risen to awareness of Infinite Consciousness on the inside. There is no resolution to my heart's longing until every individual, every object is experienced as being the same Infinite Self that I am on the inside.

1. How does this final stage of growth occur? Through an act of intellectual discrimination, the enlightened individual realizes that the infinite light being experienced on the outside is the same infinite light that is being experienced on the inside. The glorious celestial reality melts into Infinity. Said another way, the individual discovers that his Cosmic Beloved is his own Self. Funnily enough, all love ends up directed back at the Self. It is not directed back at the limited self of the waking state, that self cannot love anything or anyone consistently. The love is directed back at the Universal Cosmic Self of the Enlightened Mind. And that gives us the full awareness that each and everyone of us is a spark of the Divine Flame; each and every one of us is the same beneath all our surface differences.

2. What sparks this ultimate realization? Certain treatises on the subject of Unity were written by individuals in Unity: the Brahma Sutras of Badarayana, the Upanishads, the Maharamayana (Yoga Vasishtha) of Valmiki, A Course in Miracles. The entire Vedanta (literally, End of the Veda) philosophy of ancient India was designed for those in Exalted Consciousness to rise to Unity.
Another catalyst of this transformation can be the direct words of the fully enlightened to the aspirant standing at the last doorway to Unity: "Thou art That," "All this is That," "There is nothing other than That." "That" of course refers to the Ascendant. At the appropriate instant of time, these great words (Mahavakyas) irrevocably crush the last taint of limitation in the mind of the evolving soul. Or this transformation can occur in a countless number of ways; Nature Herself can create the necessary conditions so that it must happen.

C. Individual life continues to function in Unity because of leshavidya, the "last remains of ignorance."

1. Karma (action) is divided into two types: that which is returning, regardless of our present actions, and that which lies as if dormant -- dormant because it has no chance to reach us in this lifetime. The results of our past karma are comparable to seeds. A tiny fraction of these seeds have already sprouted and are going to have effects in our life. It is as if a small amount of our storehouse of karma has gone into building a bridge to this lifetime. Beyond this bridge lies the vast majority of our karma, comparable to mountain ranges of grain, awaiting the appropriate conditions to grow. Ascending is a divine fire which roasts these seeds so they have no potential to sprout. The bridge burned, there is no longer a connection with the past; the karma no longer has the potential to return. The seeds have been roasted in the fires of wisdom.

2. The karma that has already sprouted creates leshavidya. This keeps the body and mind functioning in Unity. It is like a thin film of grease on the hand after one picks up a cube of butter and then drops it down again. The life continues on by force of habit; the individual essence is experienced as a thin, almost invisible membrane between two fullnesses: the inner Self is experienced as Infinite, the outer world is experienced as Infinite; what is left of the individuality is the faint, translucent boundary between these two fullnesses. This is what is meant in the Upanishads by, purnam ida, purnam idam: "This is full, that is full." This Infinite, unchanging internal experience of Eternity is not different from the Infinite, unchanging external experience of Eternity. These two full¬nesses are experienced as one. This is what my Teacher meant when he said, "200% of life is the birthright of every human being."









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Ha ha, that's a lot more than I would like to read (especially at the moment) but I appreciate the time and effort you put into writing it, so will read it when I get the chance.
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Joesus, have you ever considered writing a book?
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All this stuff is already in books.
Some of this is written in the books my Teacher wrote and taught me.
Some of what I post is what I have experienced and what I have taken directly from the Teachings passed on to me and from my own research into the Teachings of the Masters.

I give it out as it applies to the questions and topics that I encounter in my daily activity, and apply it to myself in every moment.

Actually once you have a direct experience of all of this, it sticks out like a bright light in all of the true religious teachings.

You can find references to all of this in any religious foundation that is based on enlightenment, in Western Christianity and in the Eastern teachings of Advaita Vedanta.

I'm not ready yet to write my own story of enlightenment....anything that can be written about it never really comes to an end.
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QUOTE(Joesus @ May 12, 2008, 11:59 PM) *
... You can find references to all of this in any religious foundation that is based on enlightenment, in Western Christianity and in the Eastern teachings of Advaita Vedanta. ...

What about in Islam and Judaism?
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Any True teaching points one back to Union with the Absolute and Self empowerment.

Relative to egoic interpretation and illusions of God, one has to have the experience of God to describe and speak of God, and to recognize and separate truth from illusion.
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But how do you know that the experience of god is not simply an illusion?
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Some things are self evident and are impervious to subjective criticism of the ego.
It's not that hard to separate the wheat from the chaff if you are sincere in your efforts.

Enlightened guidance is always beneficial.

Something pertaining to guidance:
SIGNS OF A TRUE TEACHER
A. SURRENDER TO A TRUE TEACHER NATURALLY LEADS TO SERVICE. Service to humanity, not to the desires of the waking state ego.
B. IS THE ADVICE FROM THE TEACHER GIVEN TO HELP HEAL ALL OF HUMANITY AND ALL OF THE EARTH? Or is it for some lesser cause?
C. WHERE DOES THE TEACHER'S FOCUS LEAD? Is the Teacher's advice to look inside for confirmation? All true teachings ultimately point the finger of understanding back at one's own heart. All true growth comes from the inside out. The best Teacher can only give you the blueprints. you still have to build the house by yourself.
D. DOES THE TEACHER'S TEACHING LEAD TO ENLIGHTENMENT? Does Surrender mean faster growth is occurring? Is one becoming less stuck every day? Are the previous areas of falseness and compromise being replaced by honesty, truth and integrity? Are the experiences of the subtle increasing in depth and power? Is life's focus shifting from absorption in the past and future to life Here and Now?
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While I agree with a lot of what you say, and I don't mean to be difficult, but, you still haven't given me what I asked for.
I am aware of the link between thought and human function. I do neuroscience.
I agree with a lot of what you say about stress and the human condition. I have been taught similar things by my teachers, which is backed by physiology.
I have perhaps even (by the sounds of them) experienced, at times, at least the first of the other four states of consciousness that you mention below. And they are admirable states to achieve which I hope to be able to work towards more and have them seamlessly integrated into my life.
I still don't see any need to explain my experience, interaction and understanding of the world by invoking an extra non-physical layer on top of an already adequate brain. But I'm certainly open to persuasion. I'm genuinely interested to know if there is something else out there which I cannot experience (as yet) which other people can and can make testable predictions about such matters.

Certainly something like the recent person on the forum who is experiencing thoughtbroadcast, if indeed is real (and not a first rank symptom), would solve the matter for me.

As a practitioner of science, I actively seek phenomena which are contrary to our expectations. If I new I could find something which would challenge any currently held theory, and I had the resources to test it, I'd go for it. Its not science who is against these things. Its just that when science tries to test them, they crumble. The appropriate testing of these phenomena has allowed 'reality' to 'push back' in a way which is not corroborative to include in reality phenomena known as 'magic'. If it does, I want in.
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The question you are asking is how do you know something is real in the face of non-scientific or relative proof.

Psychics are born with an ability that they trust, regardless of what others say and believe.
90% of humanity believes in a God of some sort regardless of whether there is any scientific proof or not.

When it comes to higher states of consciousness and the experiences that follow, the psyche has to find itself relieved of the burden of doubt and fear so that the subtle barriers to greater conscious awareness are dropped.

You have to give up the belief that they don't exist without proof so that you will allow the phenomena to appear. Then learn to trust what you experience is more than just possible but real. Anything that is real remains and illusions fade away. Developing the higher senses of intuition is not based on an intellectual or mechanical umbilical chord to an outside foundation of proof, it is based on the refinement of ones own senses. The mind can think for itself and no machine can perform the way the mind can, so how can a machine measure human knowing, being and intuitive process?
Now when I say real, I mean subject to experience. If matter is atomic in nature or made of atoms and atoms are 99.999% empty space then reality is mostly empty space. What makes it real is a kind of magic but what the enlightened see as real some call fantasy, miraculous, or just plain bullshit, but not because it is, that's what they want to believe because they can't prove otherwise.
There are stories of people who experience intelligences beyond the normal human experience in Near Death Experiences, and these communions forever change their way of thinking and their way of living.
Such a dramatic experience to them is very real but to the average scientist without the experience or proof, the best that they can do is project an idea based on what they know or believe and it rarely has anything to do with what the person experienced or the phenomena that played part in the experience.

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I have perhaps even (by the sounds of them) experienced, at times, at least the first of the other four states of consciousness that you mention below. And they are admirable states to achieve which I hope to be able to work towards more and have them seamlessly integrated into my life.


Science is not equipped to study the awareness because it exists not as a construct of the body but as a construct of consciousness which is not confined to the body as science insists.

There are some key words you used in the above quote which are not from your intellect but from your heart. Tho it has been filtered through the intellect it is not scientific but basic to the spiritual sciences of experience in faith. You said, "I hope to". Psychologically hope is an intuitive link to something that exists but has not been experienced or received by the senses in its fullness. Hope does not of itself live as an accident of random thoughts. Hope is born of an intuitive knowing regardless of the ego and its limited boundaries in which it has to define everything in relative terms.

You have to learn to be more flexible with your beliefs.
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Psychics are born with an ability that they trust, regardless of what others say and believe.
90% of humanity believes in a God of some sort regardless of whether there is any scientific proof or not.
Psychics? So if psychics are evidence of them tuning into something that is not of the regular senses and then making predictions of the regular world, why are their predictions not followed through in the regular world? This I would consider proof.
I used to belive in God, then I figured out that there is no evidence for an entity that intervenes in such a way. You have evidence for God?

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When it comes to higher states of consciousness and the experiences that follow, the psyche has to find itself relieved of the burden of doubt and fear so that the subtle barriers to greater conscious awareness are dropped.
I have never found that my doubt in particular things has significantly impeded my progress. In fact being skeptical has allowed me to understand things better and improve upon them leading to faster progress. It is the way I was taught, to always ask questions; why do it? how do I do it? what does it do? does it do that? On the other hand doubting myself has impeded progress. I do not disagree with your statement on fear.
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You have to give up the belief that they don't exist without proof so that you will allow the phenomena to appear.
But if the phenomena appear then I have proof, don't I? Or are these things untestable?
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There are stories of people who experience intelligences beyond the normal human experience in Near Death Experiences, and these communions forever change their way of thinking and their way of living.
I have no problem with strange life changing experiences. Those are the best type. Near death experiences are kind of like taking drugs in some ways. But so? You're going to base the existence of other worldy beings on people who nearly died and then come back with no proof to show you that they exist?

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Hope is born of an intuitive knowing regardless of the ego and its limited boundaries in which it has to define everything in relative terms.
So intuitive knowing is subconscious brain processes which have bubbled up to the surface? Why do I need the extra layer of transdimensional, non physical processes?
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You have to learn to be more flexible with your beliefs.

You want me to take people's word for things? But at the same time you want me to experience it for myself. Which I would consider evidence of some kind. You then present evidence of very poor quality, psychics? NDEs? These examples have testable predictions in the domain of regular 'reality' which do not bear out when tested. Show me something which will change my beliefs and my beliefs will change to accomodate it. But you have so far failed to show me anything which requires me to do so. You may have methods for this kind of thing which I am willing to try (I'll try nearly anything twice), or know people who have these kinds of abilities. Which would then become easy to devise some kind of test.
Is this unreasonable? Am I testing reality in an appropriate way? Am I missing something glaringly obvious?


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Psychics? So if psychics are evidence of them tuning into something that is not of the regular senses and then making predictions of the regular world, why are their predictions not followed through in the regular world? This I would consider proof.
I used to belive in God, then I figured out that there is no evidence for an entity that intervenes in such a way. You have evidence for God?

Psychics are not proof of anything other than those who have learned to trust in a refined sense that doesn't fit into the waking state mentality, a kind of faith and trust or opening of the mind and senses.

God does not intervene in anything. God is in everything and is in itself not an entity. Humans are more of an entity of definition (tho limited to personality and belief) in God.

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But if the phenomena appear then I have proof, don't I? Or are these things untestable?

You have an experience. IF you have sex with your wife or girlfriend is it the same every time? Do you say to someone sex is great or sex is OK or sex is.....
To a hormone enraged Teenager sex is like disneyland, yet to an indifferent couple who have been married for 70 years and don't like each other sex is exchanging "f**kyou's" in passing down the hallway before bed.
Phenomena appear to us in relative states of being. The state of the mind and body are always moving through changes of chemical and emotional transition. The mind, often attached to a particular state of emotional charge tends to combine the emotions to the experience and rarely give 100% of the awareness to the phenomena.
When those who meditate allow their awareness to settle into stillness they give all attention to the absolute.
This can be measured as has been demonstrated in one of the posts regarding EEG's and meditating monks.
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19015&hl=
This experience is like sex, the consistencies of the absolute are like the presence of the idea or the experience called sex but the experience of the experiencer varies according to the state of the mind and body during the experience. Proof is not in the one time experience but the consistency of the presence of that which underlies the experience.
The fact that there are many psychics is a fact that supports not only the idea but many experiencers with the claim of being psychic. The presence of psychic phenomena in manifestation of experience and in idea is more than a fantasy.
We don't create words for something that has a definition if there is nothing behind it to support the idea.
The nature of the universe is that if we can think of it, somewhere in time and space it exists. Sometimes not exactly as we first perceive the impression but it exists all the same.

The point I'm getting at is that when observing phenomena one has to be aware of the phenomena and ones physical and emotional state at the same time. This witnessing can only take place when the mind or awareness has something to anchor itself to that is not the emotional body or the experience. This is true objectivity. It is called by Patanjali perpetual conscious awareness of the absolute where consciousness is witnessing itself as awareness, or awareness of awareness. At this stage of conscious awareness, everything then is subject to being the same thing, manifestation of thought, like a picture projected from a projector on a screen. What is real is broken down into forms of the absolute or projections.
What makes anything real in any other state of consciousness is the nature of laws created around ideas of self and what supports the self. The world is a construct attached to the insistence of the body and mind being real by intention.

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I have no problem with strange life changing experiences. Those are the best type. Near death experiences are kind of like taking drugs in some ways. But so? You're going to base the existence of other worldy beings on people who nearly died and then come back with no proof to show you that they exist?

No I'm only giving you examples. You are going to believe what you want to believe. That is the nature of free will. You bring into your life those things you allow to be possible in perception and idea and rally yourself to what you are ready to experience according to your present state of spiritual evolution. The more you open yourself up, the more that comes to you. Like a person who holds a cup with something in it, no one can put more in it than the cup can hold, but if you are continually emptying it, then more can be poured into it, and what is poured into it is never the same as that which you poured out, IF, you are not so stubborn to insist everything is the same as you experienced it before.

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You want me to take people's word for things? But at the same time you want me to experience it for myself.

In experiencing things for yourself can you convince another that your experience is real? Sometimes you may but sometimes you may not. Experience of something is not proof of anything, however we believe it is if experience is consistent. But experiences change. If a child is fearful of what is in a dark closet and grows out of the experience because he understands darkness is lack of light, then any experience can be something that evolves. That especially applies to the experience of God/the absolute or enlightenment.

I'm not trying to hand you proofs of the universe, only open you up to possibility and to notice where you draw lines in the sand.


There is only one thing that is consistent and that is the absolute itself. Everything is a reflection of that. Without the experience of the absolute as the absolute then everything becomes subject to relative ideals rather than the natural laws that support creation in multidimensional forms in time and space.
In order to perceive new things in time and space we have to empty our cups. Evolution of the species we call humanity is what allows us to change and evolve not only physically but intellectually in awareness and cognitive abilities.
200 years ago psychics were burned as witches. Today it is actually studied by some scientists.
The ability to comprehend reality is changing in the physiology of man as the darkness is being replaced with light, or one begins to rise above reactionary behavior of fear and doubt and into possibility.

You are asking me to provide proofs, but all I can do is point to a direction in which you make decisions to accept and deny, and sometimes you do this unconsciously rather than consciously.
You are either seeking to understand the world, from ego or yourself through intuition of union with God. One will give you a relative understanding of yourself according to opinion that is the mainstream and the other is going to give you an experience of both, relative to who and what you are in the absolute.

Some believe whole hearted that the world on the other side of a drug trip is real because it can be experienced. Some say it is delusion. You have to make up your mind and hopefully that mind will be guided by the intuitive sense that is the heart rather than simple minded acceptance of current majority.
People do not really think for themselves they allow the media and social programs to do it for them. We are taught what to think and how to think from an early age.
If you can learn to think without the programming of mind, that is what Eastern spiritualists call Moksa. Is it real this thinking without programmed influence?
I'll let you decide, and then based on whether you can think without programmed influence you will know what is real or not.
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To me it sounds like this:
"I don't have much external corroborating evidence, but that's ok that's not what is important.
Mostly what I have is internal evidence which I have interpreted in a particular way to fit the underlying basis of present and past religious/spiritual ideologies."

This 'evidence', I would interpret in a different way. Therein lies the underdeterimination. I think the 'evidence' you present and experience is very real, I've experienced enough altered states both chemically induced and more wholesomely induced. But I don't see how these experiences have anything to do with psychics and the existence of consciousness spilling out into the airwaves. Yet you do. I also think if you had external evidence that you would use it. You use the poor evidence of psychics, yet somehow claim not to see it as evidence, but then bring it up again as evidence (nevermind that psychics as evidence have failed). You cite the EEG gamma meditation study often enough. But this is not evidence in favour of your hypothesis, in fact the evidence gained from the paper, while not conclusive, lies in opposition to your hypothesis. As the culmination of a long line of neuroscience research shows us that the brain is the commander of our conscious awareness, and manipulation of the brain changes such awareness, both subtley and drastically. Simply citing the question "but who is the observer?" is not evidence in opposition that it begins and ends with the brain. Its just something we haven't figured out yet. The evidence to the contrary should be easy to establish, but those lines of evidence have so far failed leaving people on that side of the debate shunning science to irrelevance as though its to blame for the problem of a lack of evidence. Yet never hesitate to use it when it suits their purpose.

I talk regularly enough to schizophrenic people. I remember one talking to me about how he talks to God and other worldly beings. To him, God was actually talking to him. He could hear God's voice and God would interact in a quite well defined somatic way with the person. But when 'God' was talking to the person it was actually the patient talking to themselves and often out aloud, a fact which he denied. He didn't seem better off for the experience of God either.

The world isn't as post modern as what you would like to believe. You should open yourself up to the possibility that there might actually be a real world out there which pushes back on us and which is waiting to be tested.

Which would you rather fly on: a plane built from modern science and engineering or one built through 'spiritual intuition'?


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Which would you rather fly on: a plane built from modern science and engineering or one built through 'spiritual intuition'?

One can travel on both and live 200% of life, with one foot 100% in the immortal realms of consciousness and the other 100% in the world built of consciousness.
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... You can find references to all of this in any religious foundation that is based on enlightenment, in Western Christianity and in the Eastern teachings of Advaita Vedanta. ...

What about in Islam and Judaism?



let me introduce a muslim thought then smile.gif

1st about the topic: i startd already looking for the book
thanks for sharing the information,


when i read the bold words quoted from the author..i was astonished...i am preparing for some research closer to this particular issue,
In the Holy Quraan vision always comes in plural form while talking about more than one person and in singular form if it is about a single person.In contrast hearing which always comes in singular form either for a person or more.

in addition to the previous information, my research focuses about how vision is subjective and tailored for every person alone..both hearing are classified "distant sense" i.e provides information about things other than the body in contrast to bodily sense which are classified as proximate..my argument is about the visual system as it provides external information in relation to the body and not in an abstract manner throught the dorsal stream to the posterior parietal cortex which is an important step for the sensorimotor transformation..in addition the space presentations by other sense including the auditory are trnasformed into a retinotopic form before undergoing interaction with the motor side.



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Islam, a name given by Allah to this religion (Quran 5:4), is an Arabic word which literally means obedience and peace. ISLAM is derived from the Arabic root "SALEMA": peace, purity, submission and obedience. So 'Islam' would mean the path of those who are obedient to Allah and who establish peace with Him and His creatures. Its follower are called Muslims.

Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all prophets before Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Allah says in the Qur’ân:

"Say, `We believe in ALLAH and that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them and to HIM we submit." (Qur’ân 3-85)
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