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post Aug 22, 2007, 08:11 AM
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Even the concept of death ends in meaninglessness
How can you say some one is dead- lacks life- when no one knows what life is

colin leslie dean meaninglessness is powerful stuff
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post Aug 22, 2007, 08:38 AM
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colin leslie dean has done what no man in the history of humanity has done
colin leslie dean has done what no god has been able to do
colin leslie dean has got rid of death in the world
colin leslie dean has chased the grim reaper out of the universe
you now have two choices
believe in death still - but why would one want to believe in that
or now feel free of the fear of death
colin leslie deans meaninglessness is powerful stuff -it has rid the universe of death
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post Aug 22, 2007, 09:01 AM
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colin leslie dean has done what no man in the history of humanity has done

To be CLD. But that is not a miracle. I've done what no man in humanity has done in being me.
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colin leslie dean has done what no god has been able to do

If you don't know God then you might say this, but the statement is only relative to what you make of it and in this case it is meaningless.
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colin leslie dean has got rid of death in the world

That remains to be seen. Has he raised any of the dead yet?
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colin leslie dean has chased the grim reaper out of the universe

Good for him but, that is only a relative idea from someone who may or may not be Dean posting hundreds of meaningless post on internet forums using multiple avatars.
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you now have two choices

I'm actually choice eternal.
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believe in death still - but why would one want to believe in that
or now feel free of the fear of death
colin leslie deans meaninglessness is powerful stuff -it has rid the universe of death

Words do not contain power tho they can reflect the infinite from which they come as does the image of God in any man. You exalt Dean but you must also exalt all choices and all men to really know power and God
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Even the concept of death ends in meaninglessness
How can you say some one is dead- lacks life- when no one knows what life is

colin leslie dean meaninglessness is powerful stuff

I would never say that death lacks life because I do know what life is and I also have never read any of Deans works. You are being presumptuous by saying no one knows what life is.
You should get out more and find and experience the meaning of life.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 09:05 AM
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Has he raised any of the dead yet?

tell us what life is -untll you do how do we know if any one is dead-ie lacks life
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post Aug 22, 2007, 09:08 AM
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tell us what life is -untll you do how do we know if any one is dead-ie lacks life

How do you know anything about life if you haven't experienced it?
Would you know if I told you?
Do you know absolutely, the universe is meaningless because Dean says so?
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post Aug 22, 2007, 09:20 AM
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Do you know absolutely, the universe is meaningless because Dean says so?
i know no one knows what life is
i know that dean has got rid of death from the universe untill some one tells us what life is
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post Aug 22, 2007, 10:09 AM
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How do you know this? If you don't know life how can you know death and that it has been gotten rid of?
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post Aug 22, 2007, 10:22 AM
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How do you know this?

you
and no one else has told us what life is
untill you do deans acheivment stands
put up or shut up
tell us or
deans acheivment stands
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post Aug 22, 2007, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 06:22 PM) *

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How do you know this?

you
and no one else has told us what life is
untill you do deans acheivment stands
put up or shut up
tell us or
deans acheivment stands

I'm sure Dean is very close to your heart but if you are asking me to convince you otherwise why would I do that?
The burden of proof lies in your hands. Just because you believe what you are saying doesn't make it so.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 10:32 AM
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the proof is
no one has ever told us what life is
so deans acheivments stands
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post Aug 22, 2007, 11:54 AM
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Life is the absence of a signed legal death certificate.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 12:02 PM
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Life is the absence of a signed legal death certificate.

you going to let some legal system say when you are not a live
gee that would make a good seaqual to kapkas "The trial"

gee what could bush do with that -disenfranches all democrates by issuing their death certifcates
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post Aug 22, 2007, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 01:02 PM) *

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Life is the absence of a signed legal death certificate.

you going to let some legal system say when you are not a live
gee that would make a good seaqual to kapkas "The trial"

gee what could bush do with that -disenfranches all democrates by issuing their death certifcates

Ah, but they wouldn't be legal death certificates!

When it comes to my death, I won't know when I'm dead by definition. If I know I am not dead, then I know I am alive.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 12:21 PM
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Ah, but they wouldn't be legal death certificates!

legal is what ever bush says it is
ie a few years ago certian treatment was illegal because it was torture
now bush has made that same treatment legal
so
you could be written of as dead if bush decides to redefine dead - ie any one who disagrees with him must be by his legal definition be a zombie thus dead
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post Aug 22, 2007, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 08:11 AM) *

Even the concept of death ends in meaninglessness
How can you say some one is dead- lacks life- when no one knows what life is

colin leslie dean meaninglessness is powerful stuff

So, there needs to be a definition or precise concept of life as a pre-requisite for life to even exist?
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post Aug 22, 2007, 01:55 PM
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So, there needs to be a definition or precise concept of life as a pre-requisite for life to even exist?


if you cant say what life is how can you say someone is dead
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post Aug 22, 2007, 03:45 PM
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Foiled by Bush legalism, eh? OK, here's another definition:

Death is being unable to know one is alive.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(Rick @ Aug 22, 2007, 04:45 PM) *

Foiled by Bush legalism, eh? OK, here's another definition:

Death is being unable to know one is alive.


One in a coma is dead?
One sleeping is dead?

I know what life is, I have experienced it; I do not know what death truely is, but I have some extrapolation from my life. Thought to me is definitely an aspect of life, as well as ability to reproduce and metabolize. A rock can never experience death, because it lacks a mind and senses. I have the potential to experience death, because I am currently experiencing life, but my concept of death is only based on observation, not personal experience--THAT DOES NOT MEAN DEATH DOES NOT EXIST.
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or now feel free of the fear of death
colin leslie deans meaninglessness is powerful stuff -it has rid the universe of death

How can I have any feelings of fear of something I don't even know by your definition? And how can Dean rid the Universe (I'm assuming you mean stars and all) of something that we can't even define or comprehend such as death, according to you?
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post Aug 22, 2007, 04:22 PM
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Death is the absence of life. There are two types of life:physical and spiritual.

Scientists have already determined the criteria that must be met to claim something to be "living".

Spiritual life is our ability to percieve the world through our senses, and our ability to decifer the data our sences provide through cognition.
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post Aug 22, 2007, 05:35 PM
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Scientists have already determined the criteria that must be met to claim something to be "living".

so what is this critera scientist have for life
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why do you take their definiton for life as the truth-particularly after dean has shown maths and science end in self-contradiction
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post Aug 22, 2007, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 06:35 PM) *

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Scientists have already determined the criteria that must be met to claim something to be "living".

so what is this critera scientist have for life
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why do you take their definiton for life as the truth-particularly after dean has shown maths and science end in self-contradiction


Characteristics for physical life:

Organized structures that are composed of heterogenous chemicals - in units of "cells"

Metabolism: chemical and energy transformations

Maintain internal conditions separated from an outside environment: homeostasis

Growth: conversion of materials from the environment into components of organism

Reaction to select stimuli, physiologically and/or behaviorally

Reproduction: making copies of individuals via the mechanism of genetic transfer: sections of DNA
molecules that contain instructions for organization & metabolism

Evolution: change in characteristics of individuals, resulting from mutation & natural selection - these result in adaptations

Why do you use words if they end in self contradiction?
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post Aug 22, 2007, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 22, 2007, 08:38 AM) *

colin leslie dean has done what no man in the history of humanity has done
colin leslie dean has done what no god has been able to do
colin leslie dean has got rid of death in the world
colin leslie dean has chased the grim reaper out of the universe
you now have two choices
believe in death still - but why would one want to believe in that
or now feel free of the fear of death
colin leslie deans meaninglessness is powerful stuff -it has rid the universe of death


Have you ever thought why that specific idea to post this topic here came across your mind and why you decided during this days advertise in a specific and sometimes offensive mode Mr. Dean's meaningless philosophy here when Hurricane Dean rushes over Mexico and America?

Remember, recent scientific investigations claim that hurricanes somehow can be alive creatures. So Zhan Batist Emanuel Zorg's behavior from the 5th Element movie can be quite realistic.

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post Aug 22, 2007, 08:00 PM
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Enki, all I can say is you watch a lot of movies tongue.gif
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the proof is
no one has ever told us what life is
so deans acheivments stands

You're saying no one ever has told you what life is, and that you don't know what life is, but then you can't seem to grasp what a lemon is so I'm pretty sure you can't speak for everyone. I think you might need to live a while longer and do some real living above and beyond the call of Dean and his meaningless manuscripts.
Obviously Deans supposed achievement stands for something in your mind, but a mind that can't grasp what a lemon is.
I'm still not getting your proof.
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QUOTE(Flex @ Aug 22, 2007, 08:00 PM) *

Enki, all I can say is you watch a lot of movies tongue.gif


No, just some books are replaced by the movies, you know some complex patterns of thinking generated by Hollywood are quite specific and can be conceptually well utilized.
You see those movies define new terminology and ontology, by few words – terms it is possible very easily express very complex ideas. Look:

Are you sure Mr. Andersen?
Yes Maaaster.
May the Force stay with you.
Yes my young Jedai.
To truck the ruler Sith.
Ohhh, Hallow Mr. Harry Potter.
The battle for Narnia is ready to begin.
Gabriel, you - half-bread do not understand us.
Get up Teoden the son of the Rokhan.
One following Charlotte’s cobweb can definitely find the treasure Mr. Gates.
Harry Krishna Mr. Potter!
Howl will never serve you Saruman, I mean Saliman.
The Invasion of Lord Asriel’s armies is inevitable.
The Empire always strikes back.
And under stars bind them.
The doors of the Unseen University stay close for the ugly dwarfs.
Transformers transformed the face of Christianity on Patmos isle.

If there be time I will demonstrate how Hollywood terminology can be used to express extremely complex ideas on the nature of ridicule and even create new Religion.

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QUOTE(Dianah @ Aug 22, 2007, 08:42 PM) *

Enki,

you are quite clever in your encrypted posts...

gotta say…

I enjoy them.


Thank you dear Dianah.
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post Aug 23, 2007, 11:46 AM
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i will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
we might all be just part of the matrix -never alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead
now hows that for all you movie lovers something you might be able to understand now

perhaps dean is the hero in the matrix and has woken up broken free of the program
and oh yes if you died in the matrix you died in real life
but cant you get deans point


i will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- we many have -never been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead
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will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
you may -never have been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead


geee you just cant break free of your programing/socialization
we might all be halograms
figmants of a gods dream
zombie playthings of some childe alien

we may not be alive in the first places
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QUOTE(nightrover @ Aug 23, 2007, 12:05 PM) *

will put it another way
if you cannot tell us what life it
how do you know we are alive- have life- any way
you may -never have been alive in the first place
so then can not be ever dead


geee you just cant break free of your programing/socialization
we might all be halograms
figmants of a gods dream
zombie playthings of some childe alien

we may not be alive in the first places

When will you answer my questions, and isn't summer over? shouldn't you be shopping for your school supplies or is bettering yourself also meaningless? Hese is a couple of my questions which you very conviniently ignored:
How can I have any feelings of fear of something I don't even know by your definition? And how can Dean rid the Universe (I'm assuming you mean stars and all) of something that we can't even define or comprehend such as death, according to you?

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